People who always have excuses annoy me.
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DA got wallopped in 08 preseason- pretty bad concussion, lasted all year by some accounts.
If this post was was a little dry, excuse my dust.
If this post was was a little dry, excuse my dust.
I missed it
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Let me get this straight---Quinn breaks a finger and the majority give him some slack yet DA has a concussion and the majority give him the shaft... Concussions do not go away in a few weeks, it's a lingering injury that can be again affected when a player hits the ground or is merely tackled.... Some opinions will never change----an excuse to one is a reason to another---whatever.......
Peace
T.Dawg
Let me get this straight---Quinn breaks a finger and the majority give him some slack yet DA has a concussion and the majority give him the shaft... Concussions do not go away in a few weeks, it's a lingering injury that can be again affected when a player hits the ground or is merely tackled.... Some opinions will never change----an excuse to one is a reason to another---whatever.......
Please - you're going to give him the entire season to get his head straight? Did he have the problem against the Giants? Because I guess he relapsed against the Redskins. Seriously, don't give me he had a concussion and needs a do over in 2009. He is up and down every season. Some great games and some crap. Not mediocre - pure crap. That is a bad sign long term.
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the more i think about this, the more it bothers me.
not sure the characteristics i want in a QB include cheating to win against your own teammates....in a scrimmage...that means essentially nothing. poor decision....and a bit desperate. if this is what he has to do to give himself an edge for the starting job, he just may not have what it takes.
either way, i think there's too much people assume about this kid.
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the more i think about this, the more it bothers me.
not sure the characteristics i want in a QB include cheating to win against your own teammates....in a scrimmage...that means essentially nothing. poor decision....and a bit desperate. if this is what he has to do to give himself an edge for the starting job, he just may not have what it takes.
either way, i think there's too much people assume about this kid.
the more i think about this, the more it bothers me.
not sure the characteristics i want in a QB include cheating to win against your own teammates....in a scrimmage...that means essentially nothing. poor decision....and a bit desperate. if this is what he has to do to give himself an edge for the starting job, he just may not have what it takes.
either way, i think there's too much people assume about this kid.
nice try, do you need some attention today?
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nice try for what? after percolating a bit......it bothers me. he feels he has to cheat to win. bad juju...
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Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:53 am EDT
Hand signals? Brady Quinn has a hand signal for Derek Anderson
By MJD
ESPN's John Clayton stuck an interesting tidbit about the Cleveland Browns quarterback battle in his latest report from Browns training camp (also known as the Eric Mangini control festival). It seems that young Brady Quinn(notes) is not above a little bit of chicanery in his quest to win the Browns' starting quarterback job.
Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes.
Helping the defense intercept signals during a scrimmage in order to gain an edge in a training camp position battle ... that's kind of awesome.
Quinn has not had a chance to respond to Clayton's report. But if it's true, is what he did cheating? I guess you could call it cheating. Is it unethical? Probably. Would I do it? I would absolutely do it.
And before passing judgment, remember that we don't know all the circumstances here. Maybe it was a scrimmage where something was on the line. For example, maybe the Brown team got out of practice early if they won, or maybe the White team got Popsicles if they won.
Maybe Quinn was just practicing the stealing of signals for the regular season, in which case, it's something that would be beneficial to everyone in the Browns organization, would it not?
Maybe there was a purpose beyond, "Screw Derek Anderson, I'm trying to win this job."
Or maybe there wasn't. Does there have to be? I would guess that Eric Mangini wants his players to be that competitive about their spots. If it's not something that's hurting the team (and it's not, since it's a scrimmage), where's the harm?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl,182358
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As Herm Edwards said, "Hello, you... play..... to... WIN.... THE.... GAME!"
Or as a famous leader said, "By any means necessary."
I LOVE it! To me that proves he is a smart SOB and he wants to WIN no matter the scenario/game. THAT is what I want from my leader/QB. Not some guy who blames his helmet radio not working on his subpar play.
Proof in a nutshell what the difference is between Quinn and DA.
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As Herm Edwards said, "Hello, you... play..... to... WIN.... THE.... GAME!"
Or as a famous leader said, "By any means necessary."
I LOVE it! To me that proves he is a smart SOB and he wants to WIN no matter the scenario/game. THAT is what I want from my leader/QB. Not some guy who blames his helmet radio not working on his subpar play.
Proof in a nutshell what the difference is between Quinn and DA.
As Herm Edwards said, "Hello, you... play..... to... WIN.... THE.... GAME!"
Or as a famous leader said, "By any means necessary."
I LOVE it! To me that proves he is a smart SOB and he wants to WIN no matter the scenario/game. THAT is what I want from my leader/QB. Not some guy who blames his helmet radio not working on his subpar play.
Proof in a nutshell what the difference is between Quinn and DA.
Quinn stealing hand signals is cheating! P
Pure cheating. It's just not fair to DA or Ratliff. -
As Herm Edwards said, "Hello, you... play..... to... WIN.... THE.... GAME!"
Or as a famous leader said, "By any means necessary."
I LOVE it! To me that proves he is a smart SOB and he wants to WIN no matter the scenario/game. THAT is what I want from my leader/QB. Not some guy who blames his helmet radio not working on his subpar play.
Proof in a nutshell what the difference is between Quinn and DA.
Quinn stealing hand signals is cheating! P
Pure cheating. It's just not fair to DA or Ratliff.Quinn stealing hand signals is cheating! P
Pure cheating. It's just not fair to DA or Ratliff.a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.
b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't
c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.
d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.
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Quinn stealing hand signals is cheating! P
Pure cheating. It's just not fair to DA or Ratliff.a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.
b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't
c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.
d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.
Masters said:
a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't
c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.
d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.
No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
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Choco, Drunkandstupid and Lumbergh keep spinning everything in their direction.
His concussion did not linger for an entire season and if it would have, he would have been benched and put on IR because of it.... kind of how like Quinn was with his finger.
It's one thing to blame one instance and move on, which is what Quinn fans have done with the finger injury. He got injured, was put on IR.... that's that. No one is twisting any facts when stating it.
DA is given excuse after excuse for poor play.
If it's not inclimate weather, it's dropped passes, bad routes ran, bad blocking, whatever... there is ALWAYS something. For the guy who said he doesnt want a guy who "cheats" leading this team... nice spin job. i don't want a guy who buckles any time there is pressure. i don't want a guy who needs excuses from his fans every time there is a foul up.
Brady Quinn could come out and stink up the joint this year, but that isn't going to excuse the fact that DA has screwed the pooch over and over and over and over again.
It's getting ridiculous talking with some of you guys. Call it how it is. Stop making excuses. If DA comes out in preseason and outshines Quinn, guys like me Shep and every other Browns fan that has been dubbed a "Quinn fag" will admit it. Shep openly admitted DA was ahead until the scrimmage because THAT's how he saw it.
When are one you DA guys going to give Quinn credit when he actually out-performs a guy like he did in the scrimmage? Have any of you EVER done that? Or do you continue to search for excuses as to why DA keeps making the same mistake?
I have seen plenty of guys who think Quinn is better come out and admit when DA looks good/better on the field; but I haven't seen any DA jock on this board give Quinn any credit when he outperformed DA in a pressure-filled, game-scenario scrimmage.
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Masters said:
a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't
c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.
d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.
No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."
Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
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No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."
Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
Masters said:
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.It's called telepathy, my man.
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No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."
Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
Masters said:
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
All this says to me is that DA wasn't smart enough to help prepare his team, Quinn did. And DA used that as an excuse for his play.
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Guys - I highly doubt it happened, and seriously, they were throwing most of the day - how much "help" do you think hand signal deciphering would have helped? In that short of time? Puuleease.
It was DA just messing around.
(On Derek Anderson saying he was giving the defense hand signals during the scrimmage) β βHe would say that (jokingly).β
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Masters said:
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
All this says to me is that DA wasn't smart enough to help prepare his team, Quinn did. And DA used that as an excuse for his play.
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No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."
Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
Masters said:
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
Always verify. How do you know this really happened? Are you the kind of poster that believes S Rogers wants back in Detroit as well? Here is one for you - the word Gullible is not in the dictionary.
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Masters said:
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
Always verify. How do you know this really happened? Are you the kind of poster that believes S Rogers wants back in Detroit as well? Here is one for you - the word Gullible is not in the dictionary.
Always verify. How do you know this really happened? Are you the kind of poster that believes S Rogers wants back in Detroit as well? Here is one for you - the word Gullible is not in the dictionary.
I don't exactly have access to DA. The only thing I can go by to verify is what has been put in print. Supposedly that is what he said. So my point is that even if it did happen, Quinn had to have schooled his sided D before the game.
You'll also see I have said how do we know DA didn't do the same thing for his side? We don't. So it goes both ways or can all be fiction. I get that.
Of course I am not, and nothing I said would seem to even lead to that conclusion. Are you responding to the right post?
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