People who always have excuses annoy me.
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As Herm Edwards said, "Hello, you... play..... to... WIN.... THE.... GAME!"
Or as a famous leader said, "By any means necessary."
I LOVE it! To me that proves he is a smart SOB and he wants to WIN no matter the scenario/game. THAT is what I want from my leader/QB. Not some guy who blames his helmet radio not working on his subpar play.
Proof in a nutshell what the difference is between Quinn and DA.
As Herm Edwards said, "Hello, you... play..... to... WIN.... THE.... GAME!"
Or as a famous leader said, "By any means necessary."
I LOVE it! To me that proves he is a smart SOB and he wants to WIN no matter the scenario/game. THAT is what I want from my leader/QB. Not some guy who blames his helmet radio not working on his subpar play.
Proof in a nutshell what the difference is between Quinn and DA.
Quinn stealing hand signals is cheating! P
Pure cheating. It's just not fair to DA or Ratliff. -
As Herm Edwards said, "Hello, you... play..... to... WIN.... THE.... GAME!"
Or as a famous leader said, "By any means necessary."
I LOVE it! To me that proves he is a smart SOB and he wants to WIN no matter the scenario/game. THAT is what I want from my leader/QB. Not some guy who blames his helmet radio not working on his subpar play.
Proof in a nutshell what the difference is between Quinn and DA.
Quinn stealing hand signals is cheating! P
Pure cheating. It's just not fair to DA or Ratliff.Quinn stealing hand signals is cheating! P
Pure cheating. It's just not fair to DA or Ratliff.a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.
b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't
c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.
d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.
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Quinn stealing hand signals is cheating! P
Pure cheating. It's just not fair to DA or Ratliff.a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.
b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't
c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.
d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.
Masters said:
a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't
c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.
d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.
No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
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Choco, Drunkandstupid and Lumbergh keep spinning everything in their direction.
His concussion did not linger for an entire season and if it would have, he would have been benched and put on IR because of it.... kind of how like Quinn was with his finger.
It's one thing to blame one instance and move on, which is what Quinn fans have done with the finger injury. He got injured, was put on IR.... that's that. No one is twisting any facts when stating it.
DA is given excuse after excuse for poor play.
If it's not inclimate weather, it's dropped passes, bad routes ran, bad blocking, whatever... there is ALWAYS something. For the guy who said he doesnt want a guy who "cheats" leading this team... nice spin job. i don't want a guy who buckles any time there is pressure. i don't want a guy who needs excuses from his fans every time there is a foul up.
Brady Quinn could come out and stink up the joint this year, but that isn't going to excuse the fact that DA has screwed the pooch over and over and over and over again.
It's getting ridiculous talking with some of you guys. Call it how it is. Stop making excuses. If DA comes out in preseason and outshines Quinn, guys like me Shep and every other Browns fan that has been dubbed a "Quinn fag" will admit it. Shep openly admitted DA was ahead until the scrimmage because THAT's how he saw it.
When are one you DA guys going to give Quinn credit when he actually out-performs a guy like he did in the scrimmage? Have any of you EVER done that? Or do you continue to search for excuses as to why DA keeps making the same mistake?
I have seen plenty of guys who think Quinn is better come out and admit when DA looks good/better on the field; but I haven't seen any DA jock on this board give Quinn any credit when he outperformed DA in a pressure-filled, game-scenario scrimmage.
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Masters said:
a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't
c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.
d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.
No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."
Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
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No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."
Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
Masters said:
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.It's called telepathy, my man.
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No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."
Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
Masters said:
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
All this says to me is that DA wasn't smart enough to help prepare his team, Quinn did. And DA used that as an excuse for his play.
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Guys - I highly doubt it happened, and seriously, they were throwing most of the day - how much "help" do you think hand signal deciphering would have helped? In that short of time? Puuleease.
It was DA just messing around.
(On Derek Anderson saying he was giving the defense hand signals during the scrimmage) β βHe would say that (jokingly).β
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Masters said:
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
All this says to me is that DA wasn't smart enough to help prepare his team, Quinn did. And DA used that as an excuse for his play.
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No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."
Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
Masters said:
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
Always verify. How do you know this really happened? Are you the kind of poster that believes S Rogers wants back in Detroit as well? Here is one for you - the word Gullible is not in the dictionary.
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Masters said:
That isn't what DA said. Read his quote, it's right in this thread. "Derek Anderson(notes) said the radio receiver in his helmet wasn't working Sunday, so he had to work with hand signals. Anderson said Brady Quinn, who was quarterbacking the White team, schooled White defenders on those hand signals, which made it harder for Anderson to work a drive filled with short passes."Note the bold part. Past tense, which means it was before the actual play or game. Not only that, the term schooled is slang for taught.
The helmet going out, switching to hand signals, then getting off the play does not give enough time for a QB on the sideline to catch it happening, reading the signals, then communicating it in to the D.
Always verify. How do you know this really happened? Are you the kind of poster that believes S Rogers wants back in Detroit as well? Here is one for you - the word Gullible is not in the dictionary.
Always verify. How do you know this really happened? Are you the kind of poster that believes S Rogers wants back in Detroit as well? Here is one for you - the word Gullible is not in the dictionary.
I don't exactly have access to DA. The only thing I can go by to verify is what has been put in print. Supposedly that is what he said. So my point is that even if it did happen, Quinn had to have schooled his sided D before the game.
You'll also see I have said how do we know DA didn't do the same thing for his side? We don't. So it goes both ways or can all be fiction. I get that.
Of course I am not, and nothing I said would seem to even lead to that conclusion. Are you responding to the right post?
Aren't you clever. Did an 8 year old teach you that joke on the playground today.
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Everyone here is over reacting. The hand signals obviously forced Anderson to the throw the interception.........
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Masters said:
a. Teams QBs try to signals from the oppossing team every week. One can look at this as good practice for communicating it to the D. QBs are leaders of teams, not just the O.b. Do we know that DA and Rattliff didn't do the same thing for their D? We don't
c. This didn't occur during the game, as far as telling the D. The quote is that Quinn "schooled White defenders on those hand signals". Meaning past tense, i.e. before the game.
d. No matter what, the hand signals being understood by the D didn't cause DA to stare down his TE from go and to not see the double coverage, which by all accounts everyone watching the game could see.
No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
@ Masters - yes I did respond to the wrong poster.
@ dawgpound3 - What do you mean "Quinn told his team?" You have zero idea who told what to whom. None. Zero. Nada. You have zero clue if DA was messing around, which by Quinn's response he was messing around when he said Quinn gave away the signals.
What you don't seem to understand - at all - is that hand singals @ the scrimmage amount to numbers and a play on the wrist. Other than that, by the time the play goes in, Quinn would have to yell the play on the field - what do you think they had hand signals for the hand signals?
Seriously, how do you think the plays got to the defense while they were on the field? They all memorized every stinking play, while also knowing the their own assignments?
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No. Quinn told his white team defense what plays DA were running by the hand signals. To me, that's not right. If I was DA, I would punch him.
@ Masters - yes I did respond to the wrong poster.
@ dawgpound3 - What do you mean "Quinn told his team?" You have zero idea who told what to whom. None. Zero. Nada. You have zero clue if DA was messing around, which by Quinn's response he was messing around when he said Quinn gave away the signals.
What you don't seem to understand - at all - is that hand singals @ the scrimmage amount to numbers and a play on the wrist. Other than that, by the time the play goes in, Quinn would have to yell the play on the field - what do you think they had hand signals for the hand signals?
Seriously, how do you think the plays got to the defense while they were on the field? They all memorized every stinking play, while also knowing the their own assignments?
@ Masters - yes I did respond to the wrong poster.
I take back my smart ass ending to my post then
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BEREA, Ohio (AP) -- Eric Mangini says his Cleveland Browns quarterbacks are competing, not cheating.
Was I right or was I right?The radio transmitter inside Derek Anderson's helmet wasn't working in a Sunday scrimmage, so he used hand signals to relay plays. Anderson joked after the scrimmage that Brady Quinn told the defense what all the signals meant.
Reporters at the scrimmage saw the two players laughing about it.
But that didn't head off several online reports suggesting Quinn was using underhanded tactics to win the starting job.
Mangini could only shake his head.
"Those guys are competitive and they're friends," Mangini said Wednesday. "The group is friendly and the game was competitive by nature. ... All I see them doing is supporting each other."
Anderson's team won, 17-14.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/foot...l#ixzz0O2jgAGck
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