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Ten Weeks to Crush the Curve - Editorial by Harvey V. Fineberg, M.D., Ph.D. in The New England Journal of Medicine

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  • @calfoxwc said:

    that's asinine. It would never have gotten outside commie china if they hadn't LIED.

    THAT IS WHERE THE BLAME IS. How the hell can you figure that every single country is at fault

    for not knowing commie china LIED and COVERED UP the seriousness of the virus?

    Why would the rest of the world go into panic mode when they believed the WHO and Commie China when they

    insisted the virus was NOT COMMUNICATED FROM PERSON TO PERSON?

    There is no blame on Pres Trump. Commie china hid the reality, it went all around the world and the world knows it.

    You do too, you just won't admit it. The timeline has been said over and over again, and all we keep getting is TDS-manufactured false narratives because you all don't like PRes Trump. Well, WE elected him, because WE know America can't survive with the similar-to-preWWII nazis democratic socialist sombietch corrupt party.

    If Pres Trump had immediately shut down all traffic in and out of the rest of the world and saved us from all this crisis, there was no basis for him to have done that.

       All this TDS retroactive whiney finger-pointing Monday-morning political quarterbacking is bs.

    I'll dang good and well blame commie china - and I can't see how we could have know all this would happen. Commie china's LIES

    made it happen. So stick that in your smoke and pipe it.

    This would have never stayed contained within china. It's also super obvious you're just going on about "COMMIE CHINA" to direct all blame away from Trump. Good boy. 

    @mld-woody said:

    This would have never stayed contained within china. It's also super obvious you're just going on about "COMMIE CHINA" to direct all blame away from Trump. Good boy. 

    Yup, Cal has Commie China on the brain. There was no realistic way with global  travel that it could possibly  have been contained.  For a couple  reasons. 

    1) Its absurd to  think the Chinese,  or any other developed  country for that matter  would instantly have  known  that they were dealing with  something  totally  different than the  flu. With the two week  lag time needed to accurately identify the problem, infected people  had already  left Wuhan. Too  late to do anything  about it, coverup  or not. 

    2) As I  pointed  out, if it hadn't been a  direct import  from  China, the virus certainly would have  arrived  via US tourists  returning from  Italy. 

    Finally,  let's  hope Cal doesn't  need one of those respirators those nasty Commie  Chinese shipped over here to help out with the pandemic.  That said, I'll  leave him to his scapegoating, and defending his Wuhan flu pal. 

  • @mld-woody said:

    This would have never stayed contained within china. It's also super obvious you're just going on about "COMMIE CHINA" to direct all blame away from Trump. Good boy. 

    Yup, Cal has Commie China on the brain. There was no realistic way with global  travel that it could possibly  have been contained.  For a couple  reasons. 

    1) Its absurd to  think the Chinese,  or any other developed  country for that matter  would instantly have  known  that they were dealing with  something  totally  different than the  flu. With the two week  lag time needed to accurately identify the problem, infected people  had already  left Wuhan. Too  late to do anything  about it, coverup  or not. 

    2) As I  pointed  out, if it hadn't been a  direct import  from  China, the virus certainly would have  arrived  via US tourists  returning from  Italy. 

    Finally,  let's  hope Cal doesn't  need one of those respirators those nasty Commie  Chinese shipped over here to help out with the pandemic.  That said, I'll  leave him to his scapegoating, and defending his Wuhan flu pal. 

    @hoorta said:

    Yup, Cal has Commie China on the brain. There was no realistic way with global  travel that it could possibly  have been contained.  For a couple  reasons. 

    1) Its absurd to  think the Chinese,  or any other developed  country for that matter  would instantly have  known  that they were dealing with  something  totally  different than the  flu. With the two week  lag time needed to accurately identify the problem, infected people  had already  left Wuhan. Too  late to do anything  about it, coverup  or not. 

    2) As I  pointed  out, if it hadn't been a  direct import  from  China, the virus certainly would have  arrived  via US tourists  returning from  Italy. 

    Finally,  let's  hope Cal doesn't  need one of those respirators those nasty Commie  Chinese shipped over here to help out with the pandemic.  That said, I'll  leave him to his scapegoating, and defending his Wuhan flu pal. 

    actually, that's partly true - I was hating on commie china because so much stuff in about any store was made in china. and our trading with them was so one-sided. it was stupid. Thank God we have a REAL AMERICAN President that saw that. and is working to stop illegal immigration.

      It is not absurd at all. They still don't admit it started in wuhan. that means they NEVER stopped chinese citizens from traveling all over the globe. and remember, or you didn't READ IT - the wuhan lab posted two job descriptions they wanted to fill - studying the corona virus.

      I'll let you all continue to not admit that there is a bio lab in wuham.

    You bring up Italy? IT WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN TO ITALY IF THE CHINESE HADN'T LIED AND COVERED UP.

    Let's let trump haters keep on hating, to the point of defending a corrupt chinese government.

    it makes them happy for some reason, and they thrive on emotion above all else.

  • Well this is sobering for sure. I've been to many of these cites such a NYC, Barcelona, Paris, London, Rome, Florence, Brussels, Madrid, etc. 

    It's like watching San Francisco in "On The Beach".  

  • Well this is sobering for sure. I've been to many of these cites such a NYC, Barcelona, Paris, London, Rome, Florence, Brussels, Madrid, etc. 

    It's like watching San Francisco in "On The Beach".  

    @texasag1969 said:

    Well this is sobering for sure. I've been to many of these cites such a NYC, Barcelona, Paris, London, Rome, Florence, Brussels, Madrid, etc. 

    It's like watching San Francisco in "On The Beach".  

    It's all fake being set up by the deep state.........?

  • @hoorta said:

    Yup, Cal has Commie China on the brain. There was no realistic way with global  travel that it could possibly  have been contained.  For a couple  reasons. 

    1) Its absurd to  think the Chinese,  or any other developed  country for that matter  would instantly have  known  that they were dealing with  something  totally  different than the  flu. With the two week  lag time needed to accurately identify the problem, infected people  had already  left Wuhan. Too  late to do anything  about it, coverup  or not. 

    2) As I  pointed  out, if it hadn't been a  direct import  from  China, the virus certainly would have  arrived  via US tourists  returning from  Italy. 

    Finally,  let's  hope Cal doesn't  need one of those respirators those nasty Commie  Chinese shipped over here to help out with the pandemic.  That said, I'll  leave him to his scapegoating, and defending his Wuhan flu pal. 

    actually, that's partly true - I was hating on commie china because so much stuff in about any store was made in china. and our trading with them was so one-sided. it was stupid. Thank God we have a REAL AMERICAN President that saw that. and is working to stop illegal immigration.

      It is not absurd at all. They still don't admit it started in wuhan. that means they NEVER stopped chinese citizens from traveling all over the globe. and remember, or you didn't READ IT - the wuhan lab posted two job descriptions they wanted to fill - studying the corona virus.

      I'll let you all continue to not admit that there is a bio lab in wuham.

    You bring up Italy? IT WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN TO ITALY IF THE CHINESE HADN'T LIED AND COVERED UP.

    Let's let trump haters keep on hating, to the point of defending a corrupt chinese government.

    it makes them happy for some reason, and they thrive on emotion above all else.

    @calfoxwc said:

    actually, that's partly true - I was hating on commie china because so much stuff in about any store was made in china. and our trading with them was so one-sided. it was stupid. Thank God we have a REAL AMERICAN President that saw that. and is working to stop illegal immigration.

      It is not absurd at all. They still don't admit it started in wuhan. that means they NEVER stopped chinese citizens from traveling all over the globe. and remember, or you didn't READ IT - the wuhan lab posted two job descriptions they wanted to fill - studying the corona virus.

      I'll let you all continue to not admit that there is a bio lab in wuham.

    You bring up Italy? IT WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN TO ITALY IF THE CHINESE HADN'T LIED AND COVERED UP.

    Let's let trump haters keep on hating, to the point of defending a corrupt chinese government.

    it makes them happy for some reason, and they thrive on emotion above all else.

    Actually Cal, I don't particularly hate on Trump. Still gotta bring up the Wuhan biolab conspiracy that's been debunked by OUR scientists. And you're still TOTALLY IGNORING the fact it's odds on hundreds of infected people got out of China on regular business before the Chinese even knew what in the hell it was. 

    As I've said 1\2 dozen times, can your conspiracy theories-  the lies and coverup happened after the fact, unless you want to believe in a miracle that flies in the face of good medical practice that doctors in Wuhan instantly knew it was a totally new virus they were being presented with. There was a two week lag time, Mr. Conspiracy. 

    As to ignoring history, and having it repeat itself- here's a little nugget for you MAGAs. China built the Great Wall to keep the Mongols out. The Donald's Great Wall of Trump will similarly fail. 🙂 

  • @calfoxwc said:

    actually, that's partly true - I was hating on commie china because so much stuff in about any store was made in china. and our trading with them was so one-sided. it was stupid. Thank God we have a REAL AMERICAN President that saw that. and is working to stop illegal immigration.

      It is not absurd at all. They still don't admit it started in wuhan. that means they NEVER stopped chinese citizens from traveling all over the globe. and remember, or you didn't READ IT - the wuhan lab posted two job descriptions they wanted to fill - studying the corona virus.

      I'll let you all continue to not admit that there is a bio lab in wuham.

    You bring up Italy? IT WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN TO ITALY IF THE CHINESE HADN'T LIED AND COVERED UP.

    Let's let trump haters keep on hating, to the point of defending a corrupt chinese government.

    it makes them happy for some reason, and they thrive on emotion above all else.

    Actually Cal, I don't particularly hate on Trump. Still gotta bring up the Wuhan biolab conspiracy that's been debunked by OUR scientists. And you're still TOTALLY IGNORING the fact it's odds on hundreds of infected people got out of China on regular business before the Chinese even knew what in the hell it was. 

    As I've said 1\2 dozen times, can your conspiracy theories-  the lies and coverup happened after the fact, unless you want to believe in a miracle that flies in the face of good medical practice that doctors in Wuhan instantly knew it was a totally new virus they were being presented with. There was a two week lag time, Mr. Conspiracy. 

    As to ignoring history, and having it repeat itself- here's a little nugget for you MAGAs. China built the Great Wall to keep the Mongols out. The Donald's Great Wall of Trump will similarly fail. 🙂 

    @hoorta said:

    As to ignoring history, and having it repeat itself- here's a little nugget for you MAGAs. China built the Great Wall to keep the Mongols out. The Donald's Great Wall of Trump will similarly fail. 🙂 

    you keep believing the commie chinese are telling the truth about it, and not cta (takeoff of "cya") and I'm keepin on asayin that medical scientists have said the commie chinese gov was telling LIES. So, I don't understand giving the gov any benefit of the doubt.

       and, you can't compare the mongols and the great wall of china with Pres Trump's wall to keep indigent mexicans etc out.

    That's racist. lol

  • @hoorta said:

    As to ignoring history, and having it repeat itself- here's a little nugget for you MAGAs. China built the Great Wall to keep the Mongols out. The Donald's Great Wall of Trump will similarly fail. 🙂 

    you keep believing the commie chinese are telling the truth about it, and not cta (takeoff of "cya") and I'm keepin on asayin that medical scientists have said the commie chinese gov was telling LIES. So, I don't understand giving the gov any benefit of the doubt.

       and, you can't compare the mongols and the great wall of china with Pres Trump's wall to keep indigent mexicans etc out.

    That's racist. lol

    @calfoxwc said:

    you keep believing the commie chinese are telling the truth about it, and not cta (takeoff of "cya") and I'm keepin on asayin that medical scientists have said the commie chinese gov was telling LIES. So, I don't understand giving the gov any benefit of the doubt.

       and, you can't compare the mongols and the great wall of china with Pres Trump's wall to keep indigent mexicans etc out.

    That's racist. lol

    OK, I'm done- believe whatever you want to. It doesn't change the fact one iota we currently have a problem here in America. And- sorry you're still wrong if you think China should or could have shut the borders down instantly when people in Wuhan started showing up at their doctors with what for all intents and purposes looked like a case of the flu. You're nuts if you think somehow any other country in the world have done so. I've never said they weren't lying. That's the point- they started lying after the fact. The horses- like dozens of infected people from Wuhan were already out of the county. Before it was known exactly what corona virus was. You think they deliberately let them go? Hey, put your thinking cap on for a second- a global pandemic and shutdown is bad for Chinese business. When China figured it out- the measures they took to stop the spread was 10 times more restrictive than what we've done in the States- Communist governments can impose controls that can't be used in a democracy- or you didn't hear of doors being welded shut there? 

  • this is my final word on the matter:

    China Concealed COVID-19, Just Like It Did SARS - Frank ...

    https://finance.townhall.com/columnists/frankvernu...

    9 days ago · “China’s Ministry of Health was aware for months of a dangerous new type of pneumonia in Guangdong province before sharing that information with other nations or issuing a nationwide bulletin ...

  • @calfoxwc said:

    Those who don't pay attention to history TEND TO REPEAT IT. Hoorta, and I blame China for lies about what it was. I blame the WHO director, who is from Nigeria, for applauding China and telling lies. Nigeriia gets big money from China in support. The WHO corruptly went with the commie China's narrative. It isn't just a blame game - it's a concern that this virus could have been twice as dangerous and they would have denied it was them the whole time. I do NOT WANT THIS PANDEMIC TO BE REPEATED. Your retort is duly noted - but people who were worried about a pandemic have been laughed at - where is the laughing NOW ? all gone. too late for those who thought being prepared for some eventuality was a farce. I think every doctor in Wuhan would be executed if they told the truth, THAT is what I think. It's what communist governments do. I respect the author - he is extremely highly esteemed.
     

    NOTE TO HOORTA - He said "China has done this in Wuhan". How the hell does he know what the Chinese commie gov did? They KICKED ALL AMERICAN JOURNALISTS OUT. Did you BOTHER TO RESEARCH CHINA'S HEAVY-HANDED COVERUP?????????????

    Wuhan coronavirus: China is secretly cremating bodies and lying in the official figures, say shocking reports China is cremating bodies in secret and lying about the official coronavirus death toll, according to a disturbing new report that has raised suspicions about the gravity of the situation saying the reported numbers are "way too low".
     
    So, we have an esteemed expert who served ON THE CHINA BOARD, who went to HARVARD AND COLUMBIA  You know, where ObaMao commie went to. Who says China flattened the curve on the virus pandemic. which, is NOT TRUE, probably? not a lie....but what the hell? I'm making a very valid point here.

    it was on this one - easy to have looked up - just look up his name.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_V._Fineberg

    Fineberg has big links to the WHO, the head of which, repeated China's lies......who also as I've explained, has links in his past to the WHO:

    " Fineberg helped found and served as president of the Society for Medical Decision Making and also served as consultant to the World Health Organization. "

    and

    " Additionally, he served on the boards of a number of philanthropic organizations, including the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the Josiah Macy, Jr. Foundation, the François-Xavier Bagnoud Foundation (USA), and the China Medical Board. "

    and

    " From 2013 until 2018, Fineberg served as chairperson of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace "

    **********************************************************

        See? Note the latter involvement with the Cargegie Endownment for International Peace. READ THIS:

    " From 2013 until 2018, Fineberg served as chairperson of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace "

    That means that the good doctor is a freaking GLOBALIST. NOT "AMERICA FIRST". Meaning, he is very possibly infected with TDS.

    If yer gonna sass me, dudes, you need to do more research.

    1) Regarding Fineberg- how in the hell do you know he's not being 100% objective? Because it fits your conspiracy theory narrative? Sure China was slow on the draw, ditto the WHO, but plenty of blame to spread around in the good old USA too, in case you missed it.  President Bush told America way back- there's going to be another pandemic, we just don't know when. Well, our strategic reserve of medical supplies got depleted in the last flu pandemic- and never got restocked. 

    2) If it makes you feel any better, just keep on scapegoating China and the WHO. Every crisis needs a scapegoat. I got another one for you, Donald Trump and his "Wuhan flu". Oh, he finally came around about a month late to the party. 

    3) China is secretly cremating bodies? So? And this relates to the pandemic in the United States exactly how?  Supposedly, we have the CIA over there with boots on the ground attempting to figure out what's really going on. And absolutely immaterial as to what the United States should be doing now.  Whether it's 30,000 deaths, 300,000 deaths or three million Chinese dead. 

    I came across this well thought out article, and golly gee- the first covid cases were brought over here by Americans who were in Wuhan. And we're not the only country that shut down the borders too slow, Italy is paying a severe price too. Sadly it looks like the predictions of 100- 200,000 deaths is going to be accurate. 

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hell-coming-sold-national-security-163655629.html

    @hoorta said:

    2)  Donald Trump and his "Wuhan flu". Oh, he finally came around about a month late to the party. 

    Cal has got his head in the sand Woody.  Wouldn't have mattered if Trumpie had immediately shut down travel from China to the USA- which he didn't. But for the MAGAs here, he can do no wrong, and he's been 100% on top of the situation from the get-go. Horseshit. Never mind he ignored warnings of top epidemiologists here for weeks. It would have come over from Europe a week or two later regardless- so too bad it's all China's fault.

    It appears you missed the post about the top 10 media lies against Trump.

    And it is the Wuhan Flu. Who the fuck cares, he can call it the Kung FLU if he likes.

  • @hoorta said:

    2)  Donald Trump and his "Wuhan flu". Oh, he finally came around about a month late to the party. 

    Cal has got his head in the sand Woody.  Wouldn't have mattered if Trumpie had immediately shut down travel from China to the USA- which he didn't. But for the MAGAs here, he can do no wrong, and he's been 100% on top of the situation from the get-go. Horseshit. Never mind he ignored warnings of top epidemiologists here for weeks. It would have come over from Europe a week or two later regardless- so too bad it's all China's fault.

    It appears you missed the post about the top 10 media lies against Trump.

    And it is the Wuhan Flu. Who the fuck cares, he can call it the Kung FLU if he likes.

    @gorka said:

    It appears you missed the post about the top 10 media lies against Trump.

    And it is the Wuhan Flu. Who the fuck cares, he can call it the Kung FLU if he likes.

    Yeah, he could be completely unpresidential if he likes. Nothing new. The bar has been set so low these last four years I think everyone has forgotten what to expect. 

  • @gorka said:

    It appears you missed the post about the top 10 media lies against Trump.

    And it is the Wuhan Flu. Who the fuck cares, he can call it the Kung FLU if he likes.

    Yeah, he could be completely unpresidential if he likes. Nothing new. The bar has been set so low these last four years I think everyone has forgotten what to expect. 

    @mld-woody said:

    Yeah, he could be completely unpresidential if he likes. Nothing new. The bar has been set so low these last four years I think everyone has forgotten what to expect. 

    Ah yes, lest we forget that other well grounded reason to hate Trump..."he doesn't act presidential".  Acting presidential has become just that, a fuckin "act". Obama, Bush to a lesser degree were both frauds who acted presidential while accomplishing nothing that mattered.

  • @hoorta said:

    2)  Donald Trump and his "Wuhan flu". Oh, he finally came around about a month late to the party. 

    Cal has got his head in the sand Woody.  Wouldn't have mattered if Trumpie had immediately shut down travel from China to the USA- which he didn't. But for the MAGAs here, he can do no wrong, and he's been 100% on top of the situation from the get-go. Horseshit. Never mind he ignored warnings of top epidemiologists here for weeks. It would have come over from Europe a week or two later regardless- so too bad it's all China's fault.

    It appears you missed the post about the top 10 media lies against Trump.

    And it is the Wuhan Flu. Who the fuck cares, he can call it the Kung FLU if he likes.

    @gorka said:

    It appears you missed the post about the top 10 media lies against Trump.

    And it is the Wuhan Flu. Who the fuck cares, he can call it the Kung FLU if he likes.

    All depends who you want to believe I guess. To set the record straight- Trump was merely parroting the general opinion of the populace at the time- this Chinese Bird flu isn't any big deal. 

    That the USA is where we are can't be laid at Trump's feet. But I sure as hell can say the conspiracy theorists who have it in their heads this is all China's fault- are full of crap. I'll even go one step further Gorka- because you happen to be more reasonable than Cal. Even if this was a Wuhan Virology lab accident (and it wasn't, the molecular biologists have made a damn convincing argument this was pangolin or bat virus pool that mutated) when it initially got out into the human population- there was no f**king idea how easy human to human transmission was, or what the potential leathality of the virus was going to be.  🙂  Early incomplete data certainly can produce erroneous conclusions. Somebody here equates that with deliberate lies. 

  • someone here has evidence to back it up.

    https://taskandpurpose.com/news/china-coronavirus-cases-lies

    China lied about the scope of its COVID-19 outbreak, US intelligence report claims

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=china+lied&&view=detail&mid=449E697B8D605CB690CC449E697B8D605CB690CC&&FORM=VDRVRV

    " title="View original video: CHINA LIED: Jeanine Pirro says they also KILLED the DOCTOR who reported the case" rel="external nofollow">CHINA LIED: Jeanine Pirro says they also KILLED the DOCTOR who reported the case

    China Lied And People Died: Chinese Scientists Destroyed ...

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/03/18/...

    Mar 18, 2020 · China Lied And People Died: Chinese Scientists Destroyed Wuhan Coronavirus Evidence in December

    GOLDSTEIN: China lied, people died — who will hold the ...

    https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-china-lied-people-died-who-will...

    Apr 01, 2020 · This was due to the lead-up to China’s lunar new year celebrations, where widespread travel by rail and air is common, as families reunite. Thousands of travellers, unaware they were infected

    China's Coronavirus Coverup -- Devastating Lies | National ...

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies

    13 days ago · On today’s menu: a day-by-day, month-by-month breakdown of China’s coronavirus coverup and the irreparable damage it has caused around the globe. The Timeline of a …

    China’s deadly coronavirus-lie co-conspirator — the World ...

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/chinas-deadly...

    3 days ago · First, China’s Communist authorities have lied, concealed and misled about the origins of the epidemic and the toll of the virus in China. Second, the World Health Organization has acted as...

    Intelligence Report Confirms China Lied, People Died

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/u-s-intelligence-report-confirms-china-lied-people-died

    4 days ago · U.S. Intelligence Report Confirms: China Lied, People Died. A U.S. Intelligence report confirms that China lied, people died. China hid its true numbers of

  • China's Coronavirus Coverup -- Devastating Lies | National ...

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies

    13 days ago · On today’s menu: a day-by-day, month-by-month breakdown of China’s coronavirus coverup and the irreparable damage it has caused around the globe. The Timeline of a …

    Wuhan Virus Cover-Up Exposes a China Built on Lies

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/03/wuhan-corona...

    Even now, arrests and threats continue throughout China for spreading so-called rumors about the virus. Some of that is directed against genuine misinformation, but some of it is simply the state ...

    China tried to keep a lid on the coronavirus. It put ...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global...

    Jan 29, 2020 · China’s social media is afire with concern, despite the censors. Some have recalled the HBO television series “Chernobyl” to raise issues of government lying, which happened in …

  • Leaked Documents Suggest That China Lied About Coronavirus ...

    https://gritdaily.com/leaked-documents-suggest...

    Feb 27, 2020 · Leaked Documents Suggest That China Lied About Coronavirus Case Numbers As the United States braces for the arrival of the Covid-19 novel coronavirus, world governments are scrambling to prepare for what the World Health Organization says is nearly a pandemic.

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      It must be just me, Hoorta. yep.

  • @gorka said:

    It appears you missed the post about the top 10 media lies against Trump.

    And it is the Wuhan Flu. Who the fuck cares, he can call it the Kung FLU if he likes.

    All depends who you want to believe I guess. To set the record straight- Trump was merely parroting the general opinion of the populace at the time- this Chinese Bird flu isn't any big deal. 

    That the USA is where we are can't be laid at Trump's feet. But I sure as hell can say the conspiracy theorists who have it in their heads this is all China's fault- are full of crap. I'll even go one step further Gorka- because you happen to be more reasonable than Cal. Even if this was a Wuhan Virology lab accident (and it wasn't, the molecular biologists have made a damn convincing argument this was pangolin or bat virus pool that mutated) when it initially got out into the human population- there was no f**king idea how easy human to human transmission was, or what the potential leathality of the virus was going to be.  🙂  Early incomplete data certainly can produce erroneous conclusions. Somebody here equates that with deliberate lies. 

    @hoorta said:

    All depends who you want to believe I guess. To set the record straight- Trump was merely parroting the general opinion of the populace at the time- this Chinese Bird flu isn't any big deal. 

    That the USA is where we are can't be laid at Trump's feet. But I sure as hell can say the conspiracy theorists who have it in their heads this is all China's fault- are full of crap. I'll even go one step further Gorka- because you happen to be more reasonable than Cal. Even if this was a Wuhan Virology lab accident (and it wasn't, the molecular biologists have made a damn convincing argument this was pangolin or bat virus pool that mutated) when it initially got out into the human population- there was no f**king idea how easy human to human transmission was, or what the potential leathality of the virus was going to be.  🙂  Early incomplete data certainly can produce erroneous conclusions. Somebody here equates that with deliberate lies. 

    By saying it was not all Chinas fault do you mean in relation to them not having  any idea how fast or how far it had spread? If so then you have valid points, but I believe that its release, most likely by accident is solely Chinas fault.  COVID certainly wasn't a virus created at the Wuhan Lab and released intentionally, but I am not fully convinced that this virus had not escaped from there. The fact is that the Wuhan Institute of Virology is a virology lab and they do study bats and other adorable critters.

    This wouldn't have been the first time. In 2004 SARS leaked out of Chinese virology lab twice.

    As far as what China knew and when they knew it, I'm not sure what to think.

    When you get a chance read this and tell me what you think.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/

    china-coronavirus-chart-1.jpg

    china-coronavirus-chart-2.jpg

  • Check it out. Before it was even named COVID-19 chloroquine was recommended by Pete Townsend and The WHO at the beginning of Feb....

    So brings up the questions ..what did they know and when did they know it?

    On February 4 — one week before the World Health Organization decided to officially name this virus “COVID-19” — the journal Cell Research posted a notice written by scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology about the virus, concluding, “our findings reveal that remdesivir and chloroquine are highly effective in the control of 2019-nCoV infection in vitro. Since these compounds have been used in human patients with a safety track record and shown to be effective against various ailments, we suggest that they should be assessed in human patients suffering from the novel coronavirus disease.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/

  • that was FEB 4th.

    those freakin commie sombeitches....

  • Well this is sobering for sure. I've been to many of these cites such a NYC, Barcelona, Paris, London, Rome, Florence, Brussels, Madrid, etc. 

    It's like watching San Francisco in "On The Beach".  

    Well... this was a fun thread...

    Trump backers backing Trump...

    Trump critics "hating" on The Big Orange...

    Then there's cal...

    ... expecting me to go three layers deep into a link to find a reference that's lame to begin with...

    ... believing whole countries can be hermetically sealed while ignoring the entry of over 40,000 US citizens from China after the "travel ban"... returning citizens who were neither quarantined nor tested in any fashion. Customs apparently did ask them, "How are you feeling?" Such was the Trump administration's exhaustive screening.

    ... claiming once again that "can not" is the same as "no evidence that it can".

    Then there's Gorka... unsure about trusting the security of a Lab in Wuhan that until late last year was a place US virologists worked. Staff no longer there because that would be a continued expenditure that relied upon foresight.

    At least an old movie was brought back to mind.

    @texasag1969 said:

    It's like watching San Francisco in "On The Beach". 

    All's right with the world.