NFL / Covid Updates
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Look guys, if we were talking Ebola or Bubonic Plague or something crazy like that, I'd be right there with ya. But we're talking about the flu. Not Ebola, the flu...
I feel like Iverson- and ya'll in here talkin about practice?...
Look guys, if we were talking Ebola or Bubonic Plague or something crazy like that, I'd be right there with ya. But we're talking about the flu. Not Ebola, the flu...
I feel like Iverson- and ya'll in here talkin about practice?...
You should look the global numbers. Probably the COVID doesn't have the death rate of many other viruses, we don't know yet, but if it's 100 times more contagious it doesn't matter..
Let's say you have 1000 people, and someone has a virus:
100 people get it, but only 1 dies. 1% death rate.
Let's say we have a virus with 0,5% death rate.
Would you say it's less dangerous?
Well, if 400 persons get infected, you have 2 dead people in the end of the day, twice as much as the first case. And what we should care about is overall numbers, and not death rate.
We might never know the death rate of COVID, thanks to the insuficient amount of testing: either you have way more people who have already been through it but you don't know (lowering the death rate) or you have people dying directly or indirectly related to COVID (rising the death rate).
What we know is that maybe is the most contagious virus we have ever faced, so that already tells you it's not the fucking flu.
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Because it's hard to get being in the future and all I suppose... hard to get like the correct number of people who have actually had this virus and either didn't even know it or were sick for a short period of time, and either way they never got tested to be included in the stats, making this virus far less deadly than is being reported by our trusted media and politicians.... maybe more contagious, I'll give you that, but far less deadly.
C'mon, DB... It's not as if we've never had a recession before.
So where are the numbers?
C'mon, DB... It's not as if we've never had a recession before.
So where are the numbers?
Suicide is something the media takes great care in reporting, and l’m pretty sure in some cases doesn’t get reported at all. So to the question where are the numbers, we will probably eventually get them but l don’t think they’re readily available now to us common folk.
In a bit of research l found this...
https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/June-2018/Why-Suicide-Reporting-Guidelines-Matter
...which is basically a sort of media guidelines thing on how to report suicide and why it’s important to do it that way.
Basically the fear is suicide itself is seen as a contagion and the people who track these things have seen spikes in suicide rates after a high profile suicide was reported. They use Robin Williams as an example.
I think all it means is we don’t get the full story until yearly numbers are tallied and eventually released.
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Also a funny little curiosity, I can't help but notice those with out an original opinion re: football - I.e. those who over generalize so greatly that their posts are poorly constructed, miss the mark, inaccurate, little of any attention to detail.... Are some of the same people taking a similar stance re: this CoViD crisis.
It's almost as if critical thinking, experience, willingness to be open to information and making level headed decisions are thrown almost completely out of the window regardless of topic.
You have touched on an excellent point which a good friend of mine, who is a psychologist, has written about. The topic is how science deniers fail to appreciate detail, or complexities, in argument. They think in broad concepts, black and white. Exactly what you refer to. This is far from talking about football, but then again this topic is also. For those interested here is the article: https://newsregister.com/article?articleTitle=jeremy-shapiro-science-deniers-fail-to-appreciate-complexities--1526674871--29659--commentary
You have touched on an excellent point which a good friend of mine, who is a psychologist, has written about. The topic is how science deniers fail to appreciate detail, or complexities, in argument. They think in broad concepts, black and white. Exactly what you refer to. This is far from talking about football, but then again this topic is also. For those interested here is the article: https://newsregister.com/article?articleTitle=jeremy-shapiro-science-deniers-fail-to-appreciate-complexities--1526674871--29659--commentary
I read that article and the whole time it was like he was just describing half of the posters on the poli board
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Everyone has the freedom to think freely and believe what they want. That is your right as well as anybody else for that matter.
So those who belittle other for having differing beliefs, should listen twice as much as they speak.
Those who think I'm insensitive or think that I believe that any loss of life is okay have me sorely mistaken, it's quite the contrary.
When I say that the "common flu" kills 60,000 Americans and over 600,000 HUMAN BEINGS across the face of the Earth each year; I don't mean it dismissively or to minimize those deaths or to say that some death is worse than another. The bottom line is I care and hope the best for each and everyone, life is precious. It's just to offer another perspective.
Everyone has the freedom to think freely and believe what they want. That is your right as well as anybody else for that matter.
So those who belittle other for having differing beliefs, should listen twice as much as they speak.
Those who think I'm insensitive or think that I believe that any loss of life is okay have me sorely mistaken, it's quite the contrary.
When I say that the "common flu" kills 60,000 Americans and over 600,000 HUMAN BEINGS across the face of the Earth each year; I don't mean it dismissively or to minimize those deaths or to say that some death is worse than another. The bottom line is I care and hope the best for each and everyone, life is precious. It's just to offer another perspective.
I don't think you're insensitive
I think you're stupid
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Then there again it's what FACTS do you believe in.
I say it's a FACT that Jesus is a real and living God. Someone who does not believe would say it's a FACT that he's not real.
So, it's what YOU choose to believe in and from what side you get your FACTS from... because there's always at least two sides, sometimes more.
Bottom line, if I was you and you were me, we'd both agree that each other were right. Live and let live, do you YOU think is right, but respect others because maybe you're wrong...
Then there again it's what FACTS do you believe in.
I say it's a FACT that Jesus is a real and living God. Someone who does not believe would say it's a FACT that he's not real.
Ooohhh
Ok
Gotcha
It all makes sense now.
Yep. I get it.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
This is a specious argument. . Facts do not change because you either do or do not believe in them. The facts are the facts. You do not get to choose facts, facts don't come from "either side", and there are not two sides to facts.
You have beliefs, you have opinions, you have faith in something, you may try to put spin on interpreting what facts mean, but you do NOT have a separate set of facts. What you or I may think about facts does not change facts.
Some facts may be unknowable perhaps. Your Jesus example is NOT a question of what the facts are....it is question of what you believe in, or in what the other guy does not believe in.
I could believe that the Browns are defending Super Bowl Champions. My beliefs do not make it a fact.
And trust me, humans CAN be fallible in what the BELIEVE facts are. And sometimes those facts can be misinterpreted. In my profession it is necessary to deal with all kinds of fact. But we also deal with the real other side of the coin: what you can convince someone those facts mean....and whether or not you can actually discern what facts are.
Well, depending on your interpretation of the facts you certainly can have two different sides to facts.
Say that analogy for instance about the Browns being defending Super Bowl Champions... Being as each season is reset and no team is greater than another, as long as Cleveland never loses they are essentially the Superbowl Champions... they are defending their title each time they take the field.
I know it's not quite the same but a cool thought none-the-less...
Well, depending on your interpretation of the facts you certainly can have two different sides to facts.
NO, you can't. You can have 2 different interpretations, you cannot have 2 different sides to facts.
Say that analogy for instance about the Browns being defending Super Bowl Champions... Being as each season is reset and no team is greater than another, as long as Cleveland never loses they are essentially the Superbowl Champions... they are defending their title each time they take the field.
I know it's not quite the same but a cool thought none-the-less...
Well, there are facts, and there may be different interpretation of facts....and then there is dumbassery. Welcome to that last world.
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The result of covid is absolutely not simply "death" or "nothing".
Hundreds of thousands worldwide - a big % of that in the US - will be left with chronic kidney, heart, and neural issues for the rest of their lives. This includes renal dialysis.
You're welcome to your own OPINION - but you're not welcome to your own FACT.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Ooohhh
Ok
Gotcha
It all makes sense now.
Yep. I get it.
Was their any doubt that PoG would be a Bible Thumper?
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Ooohhh
Ok
Gotcha
It all makes sense now.
Yep. I get it.
Was their any doubt that PoG would be a Bible Thumper?
Was their any doubt that PoG would be a Bible Thumper?
Nothing wrong with that as long as it does not get in the way of reasoned thought.
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One of the 'problems' is that science is not like math. In math we know that 2+2=4 (throw out the esoteric stuff that 'proves' it isn't). In science it is evidenced-based and, while some of it, e.g. chemical reactions, approach certainty like math, science is mainly reached thru empirical means.
A good example is that of cigarette smoking. Most people think cigarette smoking is linked to lung cancer. (Believe it or not this was actually argued about extensively in the media 60 years ago). So can anyone say how many cigarettes you need to smoke before you get cancer? Or how many months, years, decades you need to smoke before you get cancer? What about the people who smoke their entire lives and don't get it?
That's the problem with science and why some people deny it or distort it. Sometimes it can't give exact answers, and even if 95% of the scientists believe a connection, there will be some people who will look at the 5% of people, or the fact that the 95% can't answer exactly when, how, how much, etc. and say "See?! I told you they were a bunch of quacks!" To give it a Browns' analogy, it's like the Browns dominate in a game over the Ravens and win 30-10 but some Ravens fans point to the 3 plays which the Ravens looked good and say "See? You didn't dominate us. Look at how we broke your tackles or got to Baker!"
When covid-19 first broke and China began shutting down there was skepticism in the U.S. about the disease. But if you think about it, China was voluntarily shutting down their economy, at a time when they were having sensitive trade discussions with the U.S. Why the fuck would they do that at that time unless they felt that the situation was unbelievably serious? They didn't say "Well, this is like the flu and no big deal and we will treat it such". They shut down transportation and festivities during their biggest holiday season, the Chinese New Year, when billions of trips are made by Chinese to visit relatives.
Or, why are most doctors and health officials, both Rep and Dem, going to such great lengths in telling us to be careful and promote a shelter-in-place? Are all of them on the same page? No, of course not. But are they in some kind of conspiracy, or are questioning, en masse, the stats which they are privy to and knowledgeable about?
It's just something to think about.
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Ooohhh
Ok
Gotcha
It all makes sense now.
Yep. I get it.
Was their any doubt that PoG would be a Bible Thumper?
Was their any doubt that PoG would be a Bible Thumper?
Nothing wrong with that as long as it does not get in the way of reasoned thought.
Well that's generally what I would define as a "Bible thumper".
Putting religion above critical thinking and common sense.
The difference between studying stories in the Bible and learning lessons or whatever from them and believing everything in there literally happened
(I visited the Creationism Museum right before Covid hit and posted about it in the poli board. That place is a trip)
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Was their any doubt that PoG would be a Bible Thumper?
Nothing wrong with that as long as it does not get in the way of reasoned thought.
Well that's generally what I would define as a "Bible thumper".
Putting religion above critical thinking and common sense.
The difference between studying stories in the Bible and learning lessons or whatever from them and believing everything in there literally happened
(I visited the Creationism Museum right before Covid hit and posted about it in the poli board. That place is a trip)
Well that's generally what I would define as a "Bible thumper".
Putting religion above critical thinking and common sense.
The difference between studying stories in the Bible and learning lessons or whatever from them and believing everything in there literally happened
(I visited the Creationism Museum right before Covid hit and posted about it in the poli board. That place is a trip)
Well, I am of the belief that people can have their faith and still think critically and use common sense. It is just the ones with absurd notions, like thinking that the Earth is only 6000 years old...we know it isn't and so do they. They just have some mind-numbingly stubborn notions about it.
... and that evolution is a myth. It isn't, it is proven scientific fact....What those of faith with reason say is that evolution is the method that God gave us that set creation into motion..
or that God will protect me from whatever disease is out there without the intervention of medicine etc. .....except, of course, if they believe God is omnipotent and created all.....then didn't he create the disease and send it to kill so many of us? There answer being: Oh, he sent those to test us? Well isn't part of the test to see how smart or dumb you may be, in that he would have also sent the doctors, nurses, inoculations, vaccinations that were meant to save you and keep you alive.
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One of the 'problems' is that science is not like math. In math we know that 2+2=4 (throw out the esoteric stuff that 'proves' it isn't). In science it is evidenced-based and, while some of it, e.g. chemical reactions, approach certainty like math, science is mainly reached thru empirical means.
A good example is that of cigarette smoking. Most people think cigarette smoking is linked to lung cancer. (Believe it or not this was actually argued about extensively in the media 60 years ago). So can anyone say how many cigarettes you need to smoke before you get cancer? Or how many months, years, decades you need to smoke before you get cancer? What about the people who smoke their entire lives and don't get it?
That's the problem with science and why some people deny it or distort it. Sometimes it can't give exact answers, and even if 95% of the scientists believe a connection, there will be some people who will look at the 5% of people, or the fact that the 95% can't answer exactly when, how, how much, etc. and say "See?! I told you they were a bunch of quacks!" To give it a Browns' analogy, it's like the Browns dominate in a game over the Ravens and win 30-10 but some Ravens fans point to the 3 plays which the Ravens looked good and say "See? You didn't dominate us. Look at how we broke your tackles or got to Baker!"
When covid-19 first broke and China began shutting down there was skepticism in the U.S. about the disease. But if you think about it, China was voluntarily shutting down their economy, at a time when they were having sensitive trade discussions with the U.S. Why the fuck would they do that at that time unless they felt that the situation was unbelievably serious? They didn't say "Well, this is like the flu and no big deal and we will treat it such". They shut down transportation and festivities during their biggest holiday season, the Chinese New Year, when billions of trips are made by Chinese to visit relatives.
Or, why are most doctors and health officials, both Rep and Dem, going to such great lengths in telling us to be careful and promote a shelter-in-place? Are all of them on the same page? No, of course not. But are they in some kind of conspiracy, or are questioning, en masse, the stats which they are privy to and knowledgeable about?
It's just something to think about.
That's the problem with science and why some people deny it or distort it.
even if 95% of the scientists believe a connection, there will be some people who will look at the 5% of people
The 5% who "don't" will always have that "research" paid by the industry that is negatively impacted economically.
This isn't difficult: If you offer to pay everyone's salaries/provide ritzy labs&research gear, you can PAY PEOPLE TO LIE. This is precisely what happens on the "news" networks -- it's stenography rather than journalism, and in every case those 5% are stenographers rather than scientists.
So, unless you actually think everything on both MSNBC and Fox News [see what i did there? Both sides!] is pure unvarnished truth nuggets.. You have to look through the source of payment before just jumping to the "conclusion" from a "scientist."
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That's the problem with science and why some people deny it or distort it.
even if 95% of the scientists believe a connection, there will be some people who will look at the 5% of people
The 5% who "don't" will always have that "research" paid by the industry that is negatively impacted economically.
This isn't difficult: If you offer to pay everyone's salaries/provide ritzy labs&research gear, you can PAY PEOPLE TO LIE. This is precisely what happens on the "news" networks -- it's stenography rather than journalism, and in every case those 5% are stenographers rather than scientists.
So, unless you actually think everything on both MSNBC and Fox News [see what i did there? Both sides!] is pure unvarnished truth nuggets.. You have to look through the source of payment before just jumping to the "conclusion" from a "scientist."
The 5% who "don't" will always have that "research" paid by the industry that is negatively impacted economically.
This isn't difficult: If you offer to pay everyone's salaries/provide ritzy labs&research gear, you can PAY PEOPLE TO LIE. This is precisely what happens on the "news" networks -- it's stenography rather than journalism, and in every case those 5% are stenographers rather than scientists.
So, unless you actually think everything on both MSNBC and Fox News [see what i did there? Both sides!] is pure unvarnished truth nuggets.. You have to look through the source of payment before just jumping to the "conclusion" from a "scientist."
It doesn't even have to be money-focused. Just look at the same story and how it is presented in various countries. You realize how much things are framed differently because of different cultural values.
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Was their any doubt that PoG would be a Bible Thumper?
Nothing wrong with that as long as it does not get in the way of reasoned thought.
Well that's generally what I would define as a "Bible thumper".
Putting religion above critical thinking and common sense.
The difference between studying stories in the Bible and learning lessons or whatever from them and believing everything in there literally happened
(I visited the Creationism Museum right before Covid hit and posted about it in the poli board. That place is a trip)
(I visited the Creationism Museum right before Covid hit and posted about it in the poli board. That place is a trip)
Back in 2018 I spent a few days in Cincinnati while the Indians played an interleague series vs the Reds. I was wearing an Indians shirt on a steamboat tour of the Ohio River and a couple from Ashland saw my shirt and started talking to me. I told them that I was from NE Ohio too, visiting Cincinnati to catch a few Indians games.
"So what brings you guys down here" I ask."Well, we came down here to visit the Creationism Museum..." they replied, without a drop of irony.
I'm not sure how I didn't laugh right in their face. -
(I visited the Creationism Museum right before Covid hit and posted about it in the poli board. That place is a trip)
Back in 2018 I spent a few days in Cincinnati while the Indians played an interleague series vs the Reds. I was wearing an Indians shirt on a steamboat tour of the Ohio River and a couple from Ashland saw my shirt and started talking to me. I told them that I was from NE Ohio too, visiting Cincinnati to catch a few Indians games.
"So what brings you guys down here" I ask."Well, we came down here to visit the Creationism Museum..." they replied, without a drop of irony.
I'm not sure how I didn't laugh right in their face.Back in 2018 I spent a few days in Cincinnati while the Indians played an interleague series vs the Reds. I was wearing an Indians shirt on a steamboat tour of the Ohio River and a couple from Ashland saw my shirt and started talking to me. I told them that I was from NE Ohio too, visiting Cincinnati to catch a few Indians games.
"So what brings you guys down here" I ask."Well, we came down here to visit the Creationism Museum..." they replied, without a drop of irony.
I'm not sure how I didn't laugh right in their face.You could have said that you was looking for the dinosaur museum from 65,000,000 years ago.......if Cincinnati has one.
That generally freaks them out.
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(I visited the Creationism Museum right before Covid hit and posted about it in the poli board. That place is a trip)
Back in 2018 I spent a few days in Cincinnati while the Indians played an interleague series vs the Reds. I was wearing an Indians shirt on a steamboat tour of the Ohio River and a couple from Ashland saw my shirt and started talking to me. I told them that I was from NE Ohio too, visiting Cincinnati to catch a few Indians games.
"So what brings you guys down here" I ask."Well, we came down here to visit the Creationism Museum..." they replied, without a drop of irony.
I'm not sure how I didn't laugh right in their face.Back in 2018 I spent a few days in Cincinnati while the Indians played an interleague series vs the Reds. I was wearing an Indians shirt on a steamboat tour of the Ohio River and a couple from Ashland saw my shirt and started talking to me. I told them that I was from NE Ohio too, visiting Cincinnati to catch a few Indians games.
"So what brings you guys down here" I ask."Well, we came down here to visit the Creationism Museum..." they replied, without a drop of irony.
I'm not sure how I didn't laugh right in their face.
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I don’t wear a mask. Don’t have any left. Had three N-95 masks out in the shop for when I do bondo and fiberglass work and a box of dust masks.
Surgeon General comes out and tells people not to buy them, they do nothing against COVID.
News reports hospitals are in short supply and if you have any, please donate. So I gave all of them to my neighbor who works at the local hospital. (Who reports back to me last week that it’s been as slow as she has seen it at her hospital with only a few cases and none severe, all got sent home to quarantine....yet the news tells me hospitals are busting at the seem....should I ask for my masks back? WTF is going on?)
A month later, they tell me to wear them, because somehow they work now for not letting germs out....but they still let them in? Is there a one way valve on these things?
So the Surgeon General didn’t know last month that masks prevented this when I was told not to buy any and to give them away if I had them? WTF? My masks are gone. And nope... not cutting up a sock and wearing it around my face. The only thing I have left is my painting respirator... and I’m not wearing that thing for hours at a time....
I don’t know what to believe anymore.
At work they take my temperature with some thermometer while they stand six feet away.... tell me I’m good and send me on my way.... How can that be accurate? They don’t give me a mask or tell me to wear one just suggest it... Tell me “don’t get close to people“ then send us out in the same trucks...?
Go to Home Depot and it’s like freaking Black Friday....people wearing mask walk right beside me and stand right next to me in line... Half of them have their nose sticking out.... or the damn thing around their neck.....old people driving around in those motorized carts buying nothing.... just driving around....
Even though the signs everywhere say stand six feet away nobody does. Walk between me and the wood pile I’m pulling from... instead of the 20 feet that’s wide open behind me...
I’m buying a trailer full of lumber for work, and they close down the lumber yard exit for some reason and force me to wheel all my lumber over to the small checkouts where 90 people are waiting in line.....
All the employees wearing masks walk around the plastic barrier they are suppose to stand behind and scan what I’m buying right next to me, then tell me to punch in all my numbers and email on the same number pad the last 100 people touched without wiping it down.....
So.... all these people will wear a mask but then follow NONE of the other guidelines?
I don’t know... I’ve been out there everyday since this thing started. No time off, no down time. Feel like I’ve been told different stories at different times to fit what they want and need. People telling me what I should do, then follow none of the guidelines themselves....Kinda pissed about it honestly.
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Typical flu symptoms include fever, cough, sore throat, muscle aches, headaches, runny or stuffy nose, fatigue and, sometimes, vomiting and diarrhea, according to the CDC. Flu symptoms often come on suddenly. Most people who get the flu will recover in less than two weeks. But in some people, the flu causes complications, including pneumonia. The overall hospitalization rate in the U.S. for flu this season is about 68 hospitalizations per 100,000 people, according to the CDC.
With COVID-19, doctors are still trying to understand the full picture of disease symptoms and severity. Reported symptoms in patients have varied from mild to severe, and can include fever, cough and shortness of breath, according to the CDC. Other symptoms may include fever, chills, repeated shaking with chills, muscle pain, headache, sore throat and new loss of taste or smell. COVID-19 symptoms appear to come on more gradually than those of flu, according to Healthline.
So, is it the flu or not? I don't know about you but I've had the CHILLS many time when I've had the flu but apparently I must have had Coronavirus the whole time...
I've always heard if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
So, is it the flu or not?
Not.
Influenza and corona are different families of viruses. Covid-19 is one of the many types of coronaviruses.
Prime difference is that coronas [including covid] are mostly associated with shortness of breath, but flu only very rarely is.
There's more than one coronavirus; there's more than one influenza virus.
Asking if covid-19 is the flu is no different than asking if a doberman pinscher is a cat. Of course they all dislike PoeticG, but that's where the similarities end.
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(I visited the Creationism Museum right before Covid hit and posted about it in the poli board. That place is a trip)
Back in 2018 I spent a few days in Cincinnati while the Indians played an interleague series vs the Reds. I was wearing an Indians shirt on a steamboat tour of the Ohio River and a couple from Ashland saw my shirt and started talking to me. I told them that I was from NE Ohio too, visiting Cincinnati to catch a few Indians games.
"So what brings you guys down here" I ask."Well, we came down here to visit the Creationism Museum..." they replied, without a drop of irony.
I'm not sure how I didn't laugh right in their face.Back in 2018 I spent a few days in Cincinnati while the Indians played an interleague series vs the Reds. I was wearing an Indians shirt on a steamboat tour of the Ohio River and a couple from Ashland saw my shirt and started talking to me. I told them that I was from NE Ohio too, visiting Cincinnati to catch a few Indians games.
"So what brings you guys down here" I ask."Well, we came down here to visit the Creationism Museum..." they replied, without a drop of irony.
I'm not sure how I didn't laugh right in their face.I posted about it and included pictures. There's some insane shit.
I did tell one kid off on his own to stay in school... So hopefully I helped him out
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