Survey Tuesday AFCN and beyond
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To do a position by position breakdown of the rosters of each team in the AFCN and to do a side by side positioning evaluation is a lengthier proposition that I am willing or able to do at this particular point. That will be appropriate as we actually come closer to the season, so belay that for now.
I will say these things: If you recall, the Steelers were in salary cap hell, and the only real decent FA acquisition they got that I recall (and I am only going by basic memory)....was TE Eric Ebron. They had to give up on Nick Vanett. But, otherwise, only by the grace of a huge increase of the salary cap were they able to retain Bud Dupree. And that is not a plus...it is just holding status quo.
They also lost Mark Barron, Ramon Foster, Artie Burns, and Javon Hargrave. Now, maybe you could say some of these were no great loss...but they were still the loss of veteran players...to have been replaced by whom? Were there any upgrades brought in to replace these guys? Steelers may have had a decent draft....one never knows about these things...but, every team drafts players. I don't think their draft was rated any better at all than the other AFCN teams drafts. I don't believe they had a first round pick even.
So...beyond QB the Steelers had either a downgrade, or at best a wash on the talent on their overall roster.
And, as far as QB....as noted, you are doing a Dusty Springfield....a wishin' and a hopin' and a dreamin' and a prayin' that he will be what he was before his significant injuries. Well, I am not saying he can't do that...but then I am not saying he can. But....to quote General Ed Fenech....all your eggs are in one basket. And General Fenech wanted to blow up that basket. Has that happened?...or did the Easter Bunny bring you a new and improved BR basket. Even if he is back....its not like every other team in the division hasn't improved to the point of being able to handle things.:
Here is an article with a Buy or Sell analysis if BR will be able to make it back to normal...from a Steeler oriented website.
Buy:
The only things that we’ve heard about Roethlisberger’s status since his injury that matter are what we’ve heard from Roethlisberger, either directly or as a source. Back after the injury happened, he said that he has every intention of completing his contract through 2021.
He has also recently told multiple local beat writers that he is ahead of schedule in his recovery from the elbow surgery. He’s even being going through a shaving strike that will end when he can throw again in a few months.
These things are never a guarantee, but Roethlisberger has shown the desire to continue to play. Suggestions that he has gained significant weight are unfounded and based on images from the sidelines in a heavy beard and thick, layered clothing. (my note: maybe...or maybe he gained a lot of weight and then shed it...he definitely had a gut on him) Medical procedures have advanced quite a ways, so there’s no reason to believe he can’t come back from this injury and play at his highest level.
Sell:
That works in theory, and we’ve seen quarterbacks return to a high level of play after major surgeries, such as Peyton Manning, in the late stages of their career. But they also remain the rarity. And while he put up big numbers in 2018, some would argue that he has been declining already.
Aside from that, this offense is not the same as it was the last time he took the field. The loss of Antonio Brown on-field is something he hasn’t really had to reconcile with yet. Meanwhile, JuJu Smith-Schuster has regressed in Brown’s absence, and the line doesn’t look like it can protect him as they have in recent years. Even assuming he does play, it won’t be the same.
I'm not going to line by line break this down as I'm not in the mood. Our roster without Ben was and is already very good. Mark barron nor artie burns will be missed. Burns never saw the field and by all intents and purposes is a first round bust. Barron was a stop gap and the steelers drafted bush. Hargrave is an absolute animal which is why he was paid as much as he was on the open market BUT he was miscast in our defense as he's more of a 43 lineman than a 34.
Foster was reaalllly steady but he was on the back nine and I'm guessing he had a talk with the front office and decided to retire rather than get let go. As far as Ben is concerned who know but when you have wr's talking about how the ball is whistling when he throws it I'm guessing there isn't much to worry about with Ben unless the contact reagravates his elbow.
You are correct the steelers didn't have a first round pick. We traded it for one of the best free safeties in the NFL. MASSIVE win as our pick was nowhere near top ten like the dolphins gambled that it would be with our qb revolving door. Our defense is on the cusp of absolutely ridiculous, 2008 good if not better. People also always talk about the cap hell and the steelers are always able to navigate it. If things were so dire they wouldn't have signed Ebron. As far as juju is concerned he got hurt but also had Mason rudolph who still isn't ready and duck who while is a feel good story and a great guy with the moxie he isn't a nfl starter. You should also pay some attention to diontae Johnson who unless I'm mistaken has the best separation rate in the NFL last season. Frankly he very well could become Antonio Brown 2.0 and if the steelers do anything at a exemplary level it's draft wr's. You keep sleeping on the steelers tho gipper. I will be nicer about it than normal when you are wrong. ??
I'm not going to line by line break this down as I'm not in the mood. Our roster without Ben was and is already very good.
Good enough for only 8-8.
Mark barron nor artie burns will be missed. Burns never saw the field and by all intents and purposes is a first round bust. Barron was a stop gap and the steelers drafted bush.
Who did they replace Burns and Barron with? Barron was a safety and Bush is an LB...so that is not a direct replacement.
Hargrave is an absolute animal which is why he was paid as much as he was on the open market BUT he was miscast in our defense as he's more of a 43 lineman than a 34.
Well, OK, you lost his talent without replacing it from what I see (except perhaps with an unproven rookie)
Foster was reaalllly steady but he was on the back nine and I'm guessing he had a talk with the front office and decided to retire rather than get let go.
Again...who was picked up to replace him?
As far as Ben is concerned who knows but when you have wr's talking about how the ball is whistling when he throws it I'm guessing there isn't much to worry about with Ben unless the contact reagravates his elbow.
A wishin and a hopin, Dusty. I say it is 50/50 that he is back to close to where he was.
You are correct the steelers didn't have a first round pick. We traded it for one of the best free safeties in the NFL. MASSIVE win as our pick was nowhere near top ten like the dolphins gambled that it would be with our qb revolving door.
But, again, you had Fitzpatrick last year. Not denying his talent...just saying that he is a holdover, not an upgrade from a year ago.
Our defense is on the cusp of absolutely ridiculous, 2008 good if not better.
More a dreamin and a prayin. You may be right...or you may not.
People also always talk about the cap hell and the steelers are always able to navigate it.
Well...everybody "navigates it" somehow or another. Remains to be seen which port that ship comes into.
If things were so dire they wouldn't have signed Ebron.
Well...you dumped all those other 4-5 guys including TE Vanett and were able to sign Ebron to replace him. Not sure how the money worked out....but it may have been at best a wash.
As far as juju is concerned he got hurt but also had Mason rudolph who still isn't ready and duck who while is a feel good story and a great guy with the moxie he isn't a nfl starter.
It was your own writer that said juju wasn't what he was without AB there.
You should also pay some attention to diontae Johnson who unless I'm mistaken has the best separation rate in the NFL last season.
Every team in the division has 2-3 of those guys....guys you think could be really good WRs. We have 2-3 ourselves who could be just as good or better (and I am not talking about the likes of the proven guys like OBJ/Jarvis...I mean like Ratley, Taylor, Sunshine Superman)
Frankly he very well could become Antonio Brown 2.0
or not.
and if the steelers do anything at a exemplary level it's draft wr's.
That is a Pollyana view. For every guy that turns out good you also have your Dri Archers, Martavis Bryant's, Markus Wheatons, Limas Sweed. I don't think anyone has drafted more WRs in the last 10-12 years, so some of them do work out. The ONLY one I really give great credit on is Brown. None of the others have proven to be great receivers. A couple of good ones, A lot of unproven ones.
You keep sleeping on the steelers tho gipper. I will be nicer about it than normal when you are wrong.
They were 8-8. They have missed the playoffs the last two years. They had the 30th ranked offense last year. I don't know if a return of BR gets them into the top half even offensively. They did have a highly rated defense....but again, lost a few stalwarts there. And still relying on Joe Haden...It is not that I am sleeping on them...its just that I am looking realistically at them.
CAN they improve from 8-8 with BR back? Perhaps slightly. They DO have a winning HC.....he was the reason last season didn't see the Steelers sink to like 4-12. Having Tomlin is a better bet for you than wishing and hoping BR is back to form. ??
I looked at a half dozen sites like ESPN, Bleacher Report etc. that all gave the division to the Ratfuckers...and had the Browns and Steelers fighting it out for 2d place.
We shall see....hopefully, if they play.
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I'm not going to line by line break this down as I'm not in the mood. Our roster without Ben was and is already very good.
Good enough for only 8-8.
Mark barron nor artie burns will be missed. Burns never saw the field and by all intents and purposes is a first round bust. Barron was a stop gap and the steelers drafted bush.
Who did they replace Burns and Barron with? Barron was a safety and Bush is an LB...so that is not a direct replacement.
Hargrave is an absolute animal which is why he was paid as much as he was on the open market BUT he was miscast in our defense as he's more of a 43 lineman than a 34.
Well, OK, you lost his talent without replacing it from what I see (except perhaps with an unproven rookie)
Foster was reaalllly steady but he was on the back nine and I'm guessing he had a talk with the front office and decided to retire rather than get let go.
Again...who was picked up to replace him?
As far as Ben is concerned who knows but when you have wr's talking about how the ball is whistling when he throws it I'm guessing there isn't much to worry about with Ben unless the contact reagravates his elbow.
A wishin and a hopin, Dusty. I say it is 50/50 that he is back to close to where he was.
You are correct the steelers didn't have a first round pick. We traded it for one of the best free safeties in the NFL. MASSIVE win as our pick was nowhere near top ten like the dolphins gambled that it would be with our qb revolving door.
But, again, you had Fitzpatrick last year. Not denying his talent...just saying that he is a holdover, not an upgrade from a year ago.
Our defense is on the cusp of absolutely ridiculous, 2008 good if not better.
More a dreamin and a prayin. You may be right...or you may not.
People also always talk about the cap hell and the steelers are always able to navigate it.
Well...everybody "navigates it" somehow or another. Remains to be seen which port that ship comes into.
If things were so dire they wouldn't have signed Ebron.
Well...you dumped all those other 4-5 guys including TE Vanett and were able to sign Ebron to replace him. Not sure how the money worked out....but it may have been at best a wash.
As far as juju is concerned he got hurt but also had Mason rudolph who still isn't ready and duck who while is a feel good story and a great guy with the moxie he isn't a nfl starter.
It was your own writer that said juju wasn't what he was without AB there.
You should also pay some attention to diontae Johnson who unless I'm mistaken has the best separation rate in the NFL last season.
Every team in the division has 2-3 of those guys....guys you think could be really good WRs. We have 2-3 ourselves who could be just as good or better (and I am not talking about the likes of the proven guys like OBJ/Jarvis...I mean like Ratley, Taylor, Sunshine Superman)
Frankly he very well could become Antonio Brown 2.0
or not.
and if the steelers do anything at a exemplary level it's draft wr's.
That is a Pollyana view. For every guy that turns out good you also have your Dri Archers, Martavis Bryant's, Markus Wheatons, Limas Sweed. I don't think anyone has drafted more WRs in the last 10-12 years, so some of them do work out. The ONLY one I really give great credit on is Brown. None of the others have proven to be great receivers. A couple of good ones, A lot of unproven ones.
You keep sleeping on the steelers tho gipper. I will be nicer about it than normal when you are wrong.
They were 8-8. They have missed the playoffs the last two years. They had the 30th ranked offense last year. I don't know if a return of BR gets them into the top half even offensively. They did have a highly rated defense....but again, lost a few stalwarts there. And still relying on Joe Haden...It is not that I am sleeping on them...its just that I am looking realistically at them.
CAN they improve from 8-8 with BR back? Perhaps slightly. They DO have a winning HC.....he was the reason last season didn't see the Steelers sink to like 4-12. Having Tomlin is a better bet for you than wishing and hoping BR is back to form. ??
I looked at a half dozen sites like ESPN, Bleacher Report etc. that all gave the division to the Ratfuckers...and had the Browns and Steelers fighting it out for 2d place.
We shall see....hopefully, if they play.
I looked at a half dozen sites like ESPN, Bleacher Report etc. that all gave the division to the Ratfuckers...and had the Browns and Steelers fighting it out for 2d place.
We shall see....hopefully, if they play.
We signed Steven Nelson in free agency to a pretty big deal as far as the steelers are concerned with fa. I believe it may have been the most the team has given a free agent ever and he was an absolute beast. Mark barron lost his job to Devin bush.
I will revisit the rest tomorrow. We went 8-8 without a proven qb gipper. What are you missing here? And pittsburgh beat writers that are in the main stream are horrible. Absolutely horrible. As I said keep sleeping on em. I will respond to the rest tomorrow.
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I looked at a half dozen sites like ESPN, Bleacher Report etc. that all gave the division to the Ratfuckers...and had the Browns and Steelers fighting it out for 2d place.
We shall see....hopefully, if they play.
We signed Steven Nelson in free agency to a pretty big deal as far as the steelers are concerned with fa. I believe it may have been the most the team has given a free agent ever and he was an absolute beast. Mark barron lost his job to Devin bush.
I will revisit the rest tomorrow. We went 8-8 without a proven qb gipper. What are you missing here? And pittsburgh beat writers that are in the main stream are horrible. Absolutely horrible. As I said keep sleeping on em. I will respond to the rest tomorrow.
We signed Steven Nelson in free agency to a pretty big deal as far as the steelers are concerned with fa. I believe it may have been the most the team has given a free agent ever and he was an absolute beast. Mark barron lost his job to Devin bush.
Is Bush playing that combo LB/safety now that Barron played? (but again...per what I looked up...Bush started 15 games, Barron started 9....they clearly were not playing the same position....it seems like maybe it was Vince Williams that replaced Barron, as he started 8 games. (again, Bush/Williams, even if they replaced Barron...were part of the teams starters last year)
And, again, Nelson was on the Steelers last year....so, again, not saying he is bad or anything...but he is NOT a new face that constitutes an upgrade from last year.
I will revisit the rest tomorrow. We went 8-8 without a proven qb gipper. What are you missing here?
What are YOU missing...I have explained this now twice. Hello McFly...is anybody home? Yes, your hope to be better rests on 38 year old BR being back to form. Like I said, a 50/50 gamble that that will happen . And the rest of the team has NOT improved overall....where I think all the rest of the other AFCN teams have improved at a far greater capacity than the Steelers. So, even if you have improved...it may not be reflected much in the record. Those sites I cited gave the Steelers generally a 9-7 prediction...even with BR on board. The Browns are expected to be significantly better, both because of quality additions of personnel, and...of course, the coaching is anticipated to be much better (it could hardly have been any worse). And the Bengals are expected to be improved a lot, and not just because of Burrow. And I think the Ravens have improved in a few capacities...but let's hope not.
And pittsburgh beat writers that are in the main stream are horrible. Absolutely horrible. As I said sleeping on em. I will respond to the rest tomorrow.
Or, maybe they just give you their unvarnished truthful opinions where yinzers just want them to powder the team's tushy so as to fuel your delusions.
Again, bottom line,
Steelers sign Wisniewski on the OL...but lost Foster and Finney....a net talent loss I would say
They sign Ebron...but lose Vanett. (probably a slight plus)
They lose Hargrave and Tyler Matekevich (backup....but best ST player)
And they get BR back.
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By the way, I think the Steelers lost their opportunity to get the backup QB they need in the event that BR goes down again when they passed up on signing Cam Newton....who now apparently is a Patriot.
In a previous Survey, it was a fair consensus that the Steelers seemed to be the right landing spot for Cam. Which may have been true. We Browns fans didn't like that idea. But, of course a guy like that didn't want to play second fiddle to BR apparently, and signed to get a probable starting gig in NE. So much for that confidence in Jarett Stidham.
So, it could be another year with the Duck and Rudolph the Redneck Reindeer if BR goes down like Frazier.
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By the way, I think the Steelers lost their opportunity to get the backup QB they need in the event that BR goes down again when they passed up on signing Cam Newton....who now apparently is a Patriot.
In a previous Survey, it was a fair consensus that the Steelers seemed to be the right landing spot for Cam. Which may have been true. We Browns fans didn't like that idea. But, of course a guy like that didn't want to play second fiddle to BR apparently, and signed to get a probable starting gig in NE. So much for that confidence in Jarett Stidham.
So, it could be another year with the Duck and Rudolph the Redneck Reindeer if BR goes down like Frazier.
By the way, I think the Steelers lost their opportunity to get the backup QB they need in the event that BR goes down again when they passed up on signing Cam Newton....who now apparently is a Patriot.
In a previous Survey, it was a fair consensus that the Steelers seemed to be the right landing spot for Cam. Which may have been true. We Browns fans didn't like that idea. But, of course a guy like that didn't want to play second fiddle to BR apparently, and signed to get a probable starting gig in NE. So much for that confidence in Jarett Stidham.
So, it could be another year with the Duck and Rudolph the Redneck Reindeer if BR goes down like Frazier.
But if Ben is playing, the Steelers are dangerous. Don't forget they get Tuitt back.
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By the way, I think the Steelers lost their opportunity to get the backup QB they need in the event that BR goes down again when they passed up on signing Cam Newton....who now apparently is a Patriot.
In a previous Survey, it was a fair consensus that the Steelers seemed to be the right landing spot for Cam. Which may have been true. We Browns fans didn't like that idea. But, of course a guy like that didn't want to play second fiddle to BR apparently, and signed to get a probable starting gig in NE. So much for that confidence in Jarett Stidham.
So, it could be another year with the Duck and Rudolph the Redneck Reindeer if BR goes down like Frazier.
But if Ben is playing, the Steelers are dangerous. Don't forget they get Tuitt back.
But if Ben is playing, the Steelers are dangerous. Don't forget they get Tuitt back.
Have you read anything that I posted? Any and every AFC team could be considered "dangerous"...and they are only perhaps that IF BR is playing...and playing like he used to (which is still a 50/50 proposition)
The Ravens are dangerous, and don't forget they signed Calais Campbell.
The Browns are dangerous....if the new coach is any good, and they signed 3-4 new good defensive players.
The Bengals are dangerous....with Joe Burrow
The Patriots are now dangerous with having signed Cam Newton
The Jets are dangerous because it looks like Darnold may be rounding into form.
The Bills are dangerous because Josh Allen is improving and because their defense may be second to none.
The Colts are dangerous because they now have Phillip Rivers and have added pieces around him and on defense
The Titans are dangerous because they were tough as hell anyway and may only be better.
The Texans are dangerous because What?.....Wat....Watt. (though less so because they dumped Hopkins)
The Jaguars are dangerous....when it comes to competing for the #1 overall draft pick
The Broncos are dangerous because they play a mile high, and Drew Lock may actually turn out to be good.
The Raiders are dangerous because they play in a new stadium and city.
The Chargers are dangerous because they drafted a new QB and signed some good defensive FA's
The Chiefs are dangerous because I don't even need to explain this one, do I?
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Categories associated herewith to analyze:
A. Here are players that the Browns have signed that they did not have last year that are expected to be talent upgrades on their roster from what was there last year:
Offense: Jack Conklin RT, Austin Hooper TE, Andy Janovich FB (didn't even have a FB last year)
Defense: Clayborn DE Billings DT, Goodson MLB , Sendejo FS, Karl Joseph SS (While some of these are slated as backups, they are still an upgrade from the backups they replaced)
B. Biggest Loss not necessarily replaced : Joe Schobert MLB
C. Expected to return to form from injury/doghouse: Olivier Vernon DE, OBJ, Jarvis WRs and Rashard Higgins WR.
D. Second year guys expected (hoped) to step up: Takitaki, LB Mack Wilson LB, Greedy Williams CB, Sheldrick Redwine? FS (not to mention our QB even)
E. Available full time this year after missing half season on suspension: Kareem Hunt RB
F. Rookies expected to contribute significantly (perhaps even start) : Jed Wills and Trusts LOT; Jordan Elliot (or is it Elliot Jordan?) DT, Jake Phillips MLB, Nick Harris (backup OL)
Rob/Homo/Vagi-Tron can do a similar analysis for the Steelers
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Gipper you are making it really hard for me to be nice. ?
Mark barron was not good, ever for the steelers. Edmunds may drop down into the box more and we have guys in the wings that I won't even mention because you will poo poo it. Big red was good on special teams but we brought in someone better in derrick watt. I only mentioned Nelson because you mentioned the loss of artie burns who had 1 relevant season for the steelers but you listed it as a loss.
You keep mentioning dusty Springfield but you better be hoping big ben doesn't bounce back. It's always your m.o tho. I feel like you take zero of what anyone says into account the majority of the time and just insert your opinion as fact. The only reason the steelers werent a 10+ win team last year is qb play. As ice cube mentioned we get tuitt back who literally could not be blocked last year before injury.
Vanett was a depth signing, Ebron is world's better. The Steelers didn't need to add anyone to make a deep run. Ben is back, players are healthy.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Is that a photo of someone who read your riveting thread about how Nick Chubb is a very good RB? Because that was some earth-shattering news!
Next thread from Icecube: WATER IS WET!
Gipper you are making it really hard for me to be nice. ?
Mark barron was not good, ever for the steelers. Edmunds may drop down into the box more and we have guys in the wings that I won't even mention because you will poo poo it. Big red was good on special teams but we brought in someone better in derrick watt. I only mentioned Nelson because you mentioned the loss of artie burns who had 1 relevant season for the steelers but you listed it as a loss.
You keep mentioning dusty Springfield but you better be hoping big ben doesn't bounce back. It's always your m.o tho. I feel like you take zero of what anyone says into account the majority of the time and just insert your opinion as fact. The only reason the steelers werent a 10+ win team last year is qb play. As ice cube mentioned we get tuitt back who literally could not be blocked last year before injury.
Vanett was a depth signing, Ebron is world's better. The Steelers didn't need to add anyone to make a deep run. Ben is back, players are healthy.
If Roethlisberger comes back and plays at his regular level, there's no reason the Steelers couldn't be a 10 or 11 win team.
But that is not a guaranteed thing, especially at his age.
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Gipper you are making it really hard for me to be nice. ?
Mark barron was not good, ever for the steelers. Edmunds may drop down into the box more and we have guys in the wings that I won't even mention because you will poo poo it. Big red was good on special teams but we brought in someone better in derrick watt. I only mentioned Nelson because you mentioned the loss of artie burns who had 1 relevant season for the steelers but you listed it as a loss.
You keep mentioning dusty Springfield but you better be hoping big ben doesn't bounce back. It's always your m.o tho. I feel like you take zero of what anyone says into account the majority of the time and just insert your opinion as fact. The only reason the steelers werent a 10+ win team last year is qb play. As ice cube mentioned we get tuitt back who literally could not be blocked last year before injury.
Vanett was a depth signing, Ebron is world's better. The Steelers didn't need to add anyone to make a deep run. Ben is back, players are healthy.
If Roethlisberger comes back and plays at his regular level, there's no reason the Steelers couldn't be a 10 or 11 win team.
But that is not a guaranteed thing, especially at his age.
If Roethlisberger comes back and plays at his regular level, there's no reason the Steelers couldn't be a 10 or 11 win team.
But that is not a guaranteed thing, especially at his age.
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He thankfully looks really good and the reports about his arm are nothing but positive. Gonna have to see how he does with contact. He's says it's the first time in years his arm doesn't hurt.
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If Roethlisberger comes back and plays at his regular level, there's no reason the Steelers couldn't be a 10 or 11 win team.
But that is not a guaranteed thing, especially at his age.
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He thankfully looks really good and the reports about his arm are nothing but positive. Gonna have to see how he does with contact. He's says it's the first time in years his arm doesn't hurt.
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He thankfully looks really good and the reports about his arm are nothing but positive. Gonna have to see how he does with contact. He's says it's the first time in years his arm doesn't hurt.
The only thing against BR might be the division he's in the suddenly quarterback loaded AFCN even with junior over in Cincinnati.
It should be a really interesting 2020 if they can actually play tackle football without everyone ending in a big "timeout".
2021 might be interesting also.
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Gipper you are making it really hard for me to be nice. ?
Mark barron was not good, ever for the steelers. Edmunds may drop down into the box more and we have guys in the wings that I won't even mention because you will poo poo it. Big red was good on special teams but we brought in someone better in derrick watt. I only mentioned Nelson because you mentioned the loss of artie burns who had 1 relevant season for the steelers but you listed it as a loss.
You keep mentioning dusty Springfield but you better be hoping big ben doesn't bounce back. It's always your m.o tho. I feel like you take zero of what anyone says into account the majority of the time and just insert your opinion as fact. The only reason the steelers werent a 10+ win team last year is qb play. As ice cube mentioned we get tuitt back who literally could not be blocked last year before injury.
Vanett was a depth signing, Ebron is world's better. The Steelers didn't need to add anyone to make a deep run. Ben is back, players are healthy.
Gipper you are making it really hard for me to be nice. ?
Sorry if you cannot handle the facts. And that is all I am giving you.
Mark barron was not good, ever for the steelers. Edmunds may drop down into the box more and we have guys in the wings that I won't even mention because you will poo poo it. Big red was good on special teams but we brought in someone better in derrick watt. I only mentioned Nelson because you mentioned the loss of artie burns who had 1 relevant season for the steelers but you listed it as a loss.
I mention Barron and Burns because you lost them. Even if they were not starters there that you lost....how does saying "these are guys that weren't any good...yet they are NOT players that you replaced with better players. All you are telling us about are the players that are still holdovers from your team that went 8-8. So...no actual upgrades. Maybe the guys you have as holdovers are pretty good/Edmunds, Nelson, but they were starters last year. (and who is Big Red?). And again, I will poo poo the guys you have in the "wings" because they are obviously unproven rookies. See the post above where I listed ABCDEF....and do your analysis like that to include all those categories...and you can tell us about the guys you have "in the wings".
You keep mentioning dusty Springfield but you better be hoping big ben doesn't bounce back. It's always your m.o tho. I feel like you take zero of what anyone says into account the majority of the time and just insert your opinion as fact.
It is the other way around: I take facts (your opinions don't count as facts) and form opinions based on them. BR is a 38 year old QB coming off a lost season due to serious injury. That is fact. And your own team's writers say it is rare historically that guys come back from that situation. That too is fact. You believe, i.e. hope, wish, and dream that they are wrong. I said he had a 50/50 chance of doing so, so I am actually being more optimistic from your standpoint on that matter than your own people. I think that is being gracious, Dusty.
The only reason the steelers werent a 10+ win team last year is qb play. As ice cube mentioned we get tuitt back who literally could not be blocked last year before injury.
QB play was, yes, a major part of it. And as I said, all your dreams and hopes are squarely placed right there. (but the fact is, the other skill players on that offense are by NO means proven world beaters. MOR talent at best. Tuitt? In 5 years prior to 2019 he never made a Pro Bowl. He was playing well before he went down....but NOT appreciably better than his previous 5 seasons in the league. Still, sure, having him is better than not having him.
Vanett was a depth signing, Ebron is world's better.
World's better? Not sure about that. Better? Yes. I would not trade either of our top two TEs for either of them nor McDonald.
The Steelers didn't need to add anyone to make a deep run. Ben is back, players are healthy.
Actually...they did, because the teams they are competing against DID add significant talent. And The STeelers didn't keep up. Maybe they will be better, somewhat, with BR...you hope. (and if he stays healthy they should be...somewhat....better). But that may not be enough to stay in parity with the other AFCN team.
But, they will be well coached...and there is where you should hang your hat as much or more than on BR.
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Gipper you are making it really hard for me to be nice. ?
Mark barron was not good, ever for the steelers. Edmunds may drop down into the box more and we have guys in the wings that I won't even mention because you will poo poo it. Big red was good on special teams but we brought in someone better in derrick watt. I only mentioned Nelson because you mentioned the loss of artie burns who had 1 relevant season for the steelers but you listed it as a loss.
You keep mentioning dusty Springfield but you better be hoping big ben doesn't bounce back. It's always your m.o tho. I feel like you take zero of what anyone says into account the majority of the time and just insert your opinion as fact. The only reason the steelers werent a 10+ win team last year is qb play. As ice cube mentioned we get tuitt back who literally could not be blocked last year before injury.
Vanett was a depth signing, Ebron is world's better. The Steelers didn't need to add anyone to make a deep run. Ben is back, players are healthy.
If Roethlisberger comes back and plays at his regular level, there's no reason the Steelers couldn't be a 10 or 11 win team.
But that is not a guaranteed thing, especially at his age.
If Roethlisberger comes back and plays at his regular level, there's no reason the Steelers couldn't be a 10 or 11 win team.
But that is not a guaranteed thing, especially at his age.
Well...there is one reason....because, as I said, because the other teams in this division have improved greatly.
The other thing perhaps working in their favor (and that of the entire AFCN)...may be the schedule. The AFCN is not playing the toughest divisions in the league. Here is their schedule:
riday
Aug. 14
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Preseason)Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Sunday
Aug. 23
New Orleans Saints (Preseason)Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 8:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Friday
Aug. 28
at New York Jets (Preseason)MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Thursday
Sep. 3
at Carolina Panthers (Preseason)Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, NC 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Monday
Sep. 14
at New York GiantsMetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 7:15pm ETESPN Buy Tickets Sunday
Sep. 20
Denver BroncosHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Sep. 27
Houston TexansHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 4
at Tennessee TitansNissan Stadium, Nashville, TN 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 11
Philadelphia EaglesHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 18
Cleveland BrownsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 25
at Baltimore RavensM&T Bank Stadium, Baltimore, MD 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 1BYE Sunday
Nov. 8
at Dallas CowboysAT&T Stadium, Arlington, TX 4:25pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 15
Cincinnati BengalsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 22
at Jacksonville JaguarsTIAA Bank Field, Jacksonville, FL 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Thursday
Nov. 26
Baltimore RavensHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 8:20pm ETNBC Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 6
Washington RedskinsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 13
at Buffalo BillsNew Era Field, Orchard Park, NY 8:20pm ETNBC Buy Tickets Monday
Dec. 21
at Cincinnati BengalsPaul Brown Stadium, Cincinnati, OH 8:15pm ETESPN Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 27
Indianapolis ColtsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Jan. 3
at Cleveland BrownsFirstEnergy Stadium, Cleveland, OH 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Go ahead and make a prediction on these games and what their record will be. (My guess is that they could be like 4-5 before they play the Browns in their 10th game.
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They would/should then be completely ashamed of you. This board is ashamed of you. I am ashamed of you. And your grandpa may have died in Korea....but you still have no clue what a communist really is. For you it is just something to call a person you disagree with.
You're not only dumb.. You are a typical liberal dick.. I ashamed that you support baby killing.. Riots.. Looters... Destruction and hate... And the defacing of our nations history... Enjoy your socialist , Dystopian life if the dems get in... You deserve it for being a blind , brainwashed sheep!
You're not only dumb.. You are a typical liberal dick.. I ashamed that you support baby killing.. Riots.. Looters... Destruction and hate... And the defacing of our nations history... Enjoy your socialist , Dystopian life if the dems get in... You deserve it for being a blind , brainwashed sheep!
I'll leave the politics at one post... Being brainwashed is a POV Nickers.... Some would say there's none more brainwashed than the MAGAs.... Since you're into music, Tom Petty's estate told Trump to "Just back down, or we'll sue you around". For unauthorized use of that song during his rallys. The Stones have done the same with their music....
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If Roethlisberger comes back and plays at his regular level, there's no reason the Steelers couldn't be a 10 or 11 win team.
But that is not a guaranteed thing, especially at his age.
Well...there is one reason....because, as I said, because the other teams in this division have improved greatly.
The other thing perhaps working in their favor (and that of the entire AFCN)...may be the schedule. The AFCN is not playing the toughest divisions in the league. Here is their schedule:
riday
Aug. 14
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Preseason)Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Sunday
Aug. 23
New Orleans Saints (Preseason)Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 8:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Friday
Aug. 28
at New York Jets (Preseason)MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Thursday
Sep. 3
at Carolina Panthers (Preseason)Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, NC 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Monday
Sep. 14
at New York GiantsMetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 7:15pm ETESPN Buy Tickets Sunday
Sep. 20
Denver BroncosHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Sep. 27
Houston TexansHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 4
at Tennessee TitansNissan Stadium, Nashville, TN 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 11
Philadelphia EaglesHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 18
Cleveland BrownsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 25
at Baltimore RavensM&T Bank Stadium, Baltimore, MD 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 1BYE Sunday
Nov. 8
at Dallas CowboysAT&T Stadium, Arlington, TX 4:25pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 15
Cincinnati BengalsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 22
at Jacksonville JaguarsTIAA Bank Field, Jacksonville, FL 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Thursday
Nov. 26
Baltimore RavensHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 8:20pm ETNBC Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 6
Washington RedskinsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 13
at Buffalo BillsNew Era Field, Orchard Park, NY 8:20pm ETNBC Buy Tickets Monday
Dec. 21
at Cincinnati BengalsPaul Brown Stadium, Cincinnati, OH 8:15pm ETESPN Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 27
Indianapolis ColtsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Jan. 3
at Cleveland BrownsFirstEnergy Stadium, Cleveland, OH 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Go ahead and make a prediction on these games and what their record will be. (My guess is that they could be like 4-5 before they play the Browns in their 10th game.
Well...there is one reason....because, as I said, because the other teams in this division have improved greatly.
The other thing perhaps working in their favor (and that of the entire AFCN)...may be the schedule. The AFCN is not playing the toughest divisions in the league. Here is their schedule:
riday
Aug. 14
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Preseason)Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Sunday
Aug. 23
New Orleans Saints (Preseason)Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 8:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Friday
Aug. 28
at New York Jets (Preseason)MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Thursday
Sep. 3
at Carolina Panthers (Preseason)Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, NC 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Monday
Sep. 14
at New York GiantsMetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 7:15pm ETESPN Buy Tickets Sunday
Sep. 20
Denver BroncosHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Sep. 27
Houston TexansHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 4
at Tennessee TitansNissan Stadium, Nashville, TN 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 11
Philadelphia EaglesHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 18
Cleveland BrownsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 25
at Baltimore RavensM&T Bank Stadium, Baltimore, MD 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 1BYE Sunday
Nov. 8
at Dallas CowboysAT&T Stadium, Arlington, TX 4:25pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 15
Cincinnati BengalsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 22
at Jacksonville JaguarsTIAA Bank Field, Jacksonville, FL 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Thursday
Nov. 26
Baltimore RavensHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 8:20pm ETNBC Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 6
Washington RedskinsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 13
at Buffalo BillsNew Era Field, Orchard Park, NY 8:20pm ETNBC Buy Tickets Monday
Dec. 21
at Cincinnati BengalsPaul Brown Stadium, Cincinnati, OH 8:15pm ETESPN Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 27
Indianapolis ColtsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Jan. 3
at Cleveland BrownsFirstEnergy Stadium, Cleveland, OH 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Go ahead and make a prediction on these games and what their record will be. (My guess is that they could be like 4-5 before they play the Browns in their 10th game.
For shame Gipper- there's 4 preseason games that don't mean diddly. There well may not even be 4 preseason games... I'm going to say either 2-3 or 3-2 in games that actually count...
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You're not only dumb.. You are a typical liberal dick.. I ashamed that you support baby killing.. Riots.. Looters... Destruction and hate... And the defacing of our nations history... Enjoy your socialist , Dystopian life if the dems get in... You deserve it for being a blind , brainwashed sheep!
I'll leave the politics at one post... Being brainwashed is a POV Nickers.... Some would say there's none more brainwashed than the MAGAs.... Since you're into music, Tom Petty's estate told Trump to "Just back down, or we'll sue you around". For unauthorized use of that song during his rallys. The Stones have done the same with their music....
I'll leave the politics at one post... Being brainwashed is a POV Nickers.... Some would say there's none more brainwashed than the MAGAs.... Since you're into music, Tom Petty's estate told Trump to "Just back down, or we'll sue you around". For unauthorized use of that song during his rallys. The Stones have done the same with their music....
Chrissie Hynde did the same with My City is Gone....about....Akron, Ohio to Rush Limbaugh. However, from what I understand, the producers of that show wanted so much to keep that song as their signature song, they they offered to pay a lot of money to do so, which money, I understand, was immediately donated to "liberal causes" that Limbaugh would hate. So, maybe Petty's estate and the Stones should do the same....ask for a huge payday to use those songs, and then donate the money to the Biden campaign. That would be fresh.
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Well...there is one reason....because, as I said, because the other teams in this division have improved greatly.
The other thing perhaps working in their favor (and that of the entire AFCN)...may be the schedule. The AFCN is not playing the toughest divisions in the league. Here is their schedule:
riday
Aug. 14
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Preseason)Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Sunday
Aug. 23
New Orleans Saints (Preseason)Heinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 8:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Friday
Aug. 28
at New York Jets (Preseason)MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Thursday
Sep. 3
at Carolina Panthers (Preseason)Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, NC 7:30pm ETLocal/NFLN Buy Tickets Monday
Sep. 14
at New York GiantsMetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ 7:15pm ETESPN Buy Tickets Sunday
Sep. 20
Denver BroncosHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Sep. 27
Houston TexansHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 4
at Tennessee TitansNissan Stadium, Nashville, TN 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 11
Philadelphia EaglesHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 18
Cleveland BrownsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Oct. 25
at Baltimore RavensM&T Bank Stadium, Baltimore, MD 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 1BYE Sunday
Nov. 8
at Dallas CowboysAT&T Stadium, Arlington, TX 4:25pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 15
Cincinnati BengalsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Nov. 22
at Jacksonville JaguarsTIAA Bank Field, Jacksonville, FL 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Thursday
Nov. 26
Baltimore RavensHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 8:20pm ETNBC Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 6
Washington RedskinsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETFOX Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 13
at Buffalo BillsNew Era Field, Orchard Park, NY 8:20pm ETNBC Buy Tickets Monday
Dec. 21
at Cincinnati BengalsPaul Brown Stadium, Cincinnati, OH 8:15pm ETESPN Buy Tickets Sunday
Dec. 27
Indianapolis ColtsHeinz Field, Pittsburgh, PA 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Sunday
Jan. 3
at Cleveland BrownsFirstEnergy Stadium, Cleveland, OH 1:00pm ETCBS Buy Tickets Go ahead and make a prediction on these games and what their record will be. (My guess is that they could be like 4-5 before they play the Browns in their 10th game.
For shame Gipper- there's 4 preseason games that don't mean diddly. There well may not even be 4 preseason games... I'm going to say either 2-3 or 3-2 in games that actually count...
For shame Gipper- there's 4 preseason games that don't mean diddly. There well may not even be 4 preseason games... I'm going to say either 2-3 or 3-2 in games that actually count...
Doh! you are absolutely right. I wasn't even paying attention to the fact that preseason games were included there . And I am going to agree with you on the 2-3 record.
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Here is a possible solution to the Steeler backup QB situation, since they didn't sign Newton:
Sign Colin Kaepernick
Put your Rooney Rule where your mouth is.
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Gipper you are making it really hard for me to be nice. ?
Mark barron was not good, ever for the steelers. Edmunds may drop down into the box more and we have guys in the wings that I won't even mention because you will poo poo it. Big red was good on special teams but we brought in someone better in derrick watt. I only mentioned Nelson because you mentioned the loss of artie burns who had 1 relevant season for the steelers but you listed it as a loss.
You keep mentioning dusty Springfield but you better be hoping big ben doesn't bounce back. It's always your m.o tho. I feel like you take zero of what anyone says into account the majority of the time and just insert your opinion as fact. The only reason the steelers werent a 10+ win team last year is qb play. As ice cube mentioned we get tuitt back who literally could not be blocked last year before injury.
Vanett was a depth signing, Ebron is world's better. The Steelers didn't need to add anyone to make a deep run. Ben is back, players are healthy.
Gipper you are making it really hard for me to be nice. ?
Mark barron was not good, ever for the steelers. Edmunds may drop down into the box more and we have guys in the wings that I won't even mention because you will poo poo it. Big red was good on special teams but we brought in someone better in derrick watt. I only mentioned Nelson because you mentioned the loss of artie burns who had 1 relevant season for the steelers but you listed it as a loss.
You keep mentioning dusty Springfield but you better be hoping big ben doesn't bounce back. It's always your m.o tho. I feel like you take zero of what anyone says into account the majority of the time and just insert your opinion as fact. The only reason the steelers werent a 10+ win team last year is qb play. As ice cube mentioned we get tuitt back who literally could not be blocked last year before injury.
Vanett was a depth signing, Ebron is world's better. The Steelers didn't need to add anyone to make a deep run. Ben is back, players are healthy.
Not only were they down to a 4th string QB last year, but their skill players units were decimated as well. If Ben is back, the only legit loss is Hargrave. But at this point, and all the craziness going on, it's a total guess on where they will be if we do have a season. Only safe bet is that Balt. will still be the lead dog in the north. I've never seen a 14-2 team add so much talent. It blows my mind.
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Gipper you are making it really hard for me to be nice. ?
Mark barron was not good, ever for the steelers. Edmunds may drop down into the box more and we have guys in the wings that I won't even mention because you will poo poo it. Big red was good on special teams but we brought in someone better in derrick watt. I only mentioned Nelson because you mentioned the loss of artie burns who had 1 relevant season for the steelers but you listed it as a loss.
You keep mentioning dusty Springfield but you better be hoping big ben doesn't bounce back. It's always your m.o tho. I feel like you take zero of what anyone says into account the majority of the time and just insert your opinion as fact. The only reason the steelers werent a 10+ win team last year is qb play. As ice cube mentioned we get tuitt back who literally could not be blocked last year before injury.
Vanett was a depth signing, Ebron is world's better. The Steelers didn't need to add anyone to make a deep run. Ben is back, players are healthy.
Not only were they down to a 4th string QB last year, but their skill players units were decimated as well. If Ben is back, the only legit loss is Hargrave. But at this point, and all the craziness going on, it's a total guess on where they will be if we do have a season. Only safe bet is that Balt. will still be the lead dog in the north. I've never seen a 14-2 team add so much talent. It blows my mind.
Not only were they down to a 4th string QB last year, but their skill players units were decimated as well. If Ben is back, the only legit loss is Hargrave. But at this point, and all the craziness going on, it's a total guess on where they will be if we do have a season. Only safe bet is that Balt. will still be the lead dog in the north. I've never seen a 14-2 team add so much talent. It blows my mind.
Well....it may be a safe bet that Crabburg will take the division....but by no means would I say it is a sure bet.
And, as I said....they..the Steelers that is, lost a main cog on their defense....so they have upgraded nowhere else (except probably with Ebron). It ALL depends on BR being his 10 year ago self.
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