***Official Gameday Thread Browns at Ravens
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Baker said it was a "punch in the mouth" that they needed. I imagine the entire offense isn't settled in yet.
It's heartening to note: Stefanski said they were outplayed and outcoached. That says a lot of good things about this coaching staff,
instead of throwing his players under the bus but a previous head coach that isn't worth mentioning...
https://sports.yahoo.com/baker-mayfield-sometimes-nice-punch-133823544.html
Baker said it was a "punch in the mouth" that they needed. I imagine the entire offense isn't settled in yet.
It's heartening to note: Stefanski said they were outplayed and outcoached. That says a lot of good things about this coaching staff,
instead of throwing his players under the bus but a previous head coach that isn't worth mentioning...
https://sports.yahoo.com/baker-mayfield-sometimes-nice-punch-133823544.html
They needed a punch in the mouth last year... a year too late!
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I know this is hard, but this is a new coaching staff coming off a very trying offseason.
I know they looked horrible, but hopefully they rebound in the next few weeks. I'm not saying they will, but I'm going to try to give them a bit of time to really judge how things look.
OBJ, on the other hand? This is just Groundhog Day with him at this point.
Soooooooo, I went back and watched a couple things. I wanted to see if Baker missed OBJ as many times as I thought. Unfortunately, he did. There were two deep-ish throws down the middle that Baker threw behind OBJ, and one should have resulted in a pick but OBJ did enough to disrupt the play. These were the exact throws Lamar Jackson made with ease. There were multiple other times where Baker appeared to be looking right at an open guy but didn't pull the trigger. THAT'S what concerns me.
Baker's struggles had very little to do with knowledge of the offense. You don't have to be knowledgeable to make an accurate throw. To hit your release valve for 6 yards on 2nd and 10. To find your bazillion dollar TE for more than FIFTEEN FREAKING YARDS.
Baker didn't just look bad, he WAS bad, and I'm not sure he's redeemable. If you can't make intermediate throws down the seam or across the middle, you can't play QB. The really sad thing is that he used to be KNOWN for those passes. Whatever is wrong with Baker is between his ears, and I don't know if that's fixable. He was truly worse than people are saying, and I'm not sure what to do next.
Baker will likely be down in a good chunk of games this year. At this point, I literally have no idea who our linebackers are going to be because Phillips is gone for the year (I assume). The Ravens had people running WIDE open Sunday, and even when people were covered they STILL made every catch. Our offense is not designed to come from behind, so we're going to need our defense to simply find a way to keep us in it until our offense (ahem, our QUARTERBACK) finds his footing....or God help us...gets replaced.
Soooooooo, I went back and watched a couple things. I wanted to see if Baker missed OBJ as many times as I thought. Unfortunately, he did. There were two deep-ish throws down the middle that Baker threw behind OBJ, and one should have resulted in a pick but OBJ did enough to disrupt the play. These were the exact throws Lamar Jackson made with ease. There were multiple other times where Baker appeared to be looking right at an open guy but didn't pull the trigger. THAT'S what concerns me.
Baker's struggles had very little to do with knowledge of the offense. You don't have to be knowledgeable to make an accurate throw. To hit your release valve for 6 yards on 2nd and 10. To find your bazillion dollar TE for more than FIFTEEN FREAKING YARDS.
Baker didn't just look bad, he WAS bad, and I'm not sure he's redeemable. If you can't make intermediate throws down the seam or across the middle, you can't play QB. The really sad thing is that he used to be KNOWN for those passes. Whatever is wrong with Baker is between his ears, and I don't know if that's fixable. He was truly worse than people are saying, and I'm not sure what to do next.
Baker will likely be down in a good chunk of games this year. At this point, I literally have no idea who our linebackers are going to be because Phillips is gone for the year (I assume). The Ravens had people running WIDE open Sunday, and even when people were covered they STILL made every catch. Our offense is not designed to come from behind, so we're going to need our defense to simply find a way to keep us in it until our offense (ahem, our QUARTERBACK) finds his footing....or God help us...gets replaced.
Jiggs, you nailed it again. I rewatched some of it and feel the same way you do. Baker was bad, and it has nothing to do with the "new system." New systems don't make you throw inaccurately or not see/miss receivers.
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Baker said it was a "punch in the mouth" that they needed. I imagine the entire offense isn't settled in yet.
It's heartening to note: Stefanski said they were outplayed and outcoached. That says a lot of good things about this coaching staff,
instead of throwing his players under the bus but a previous head coach that isn't worth mentioning...
https://sports.yahoo.com/baker-mayfield-sometimes-nice-punch-133823544.html
Baker said it was a "punch in the mouth" that they needed. I imagine the entire offense isn't settled in yet.
It's heartening to note: Stefanski said they were outplayed and outcoached. That says a lot of good things about this coaching staff,
instead of throwing his players under the bus but a previous head coach that isn't worth mentioning...
https://sports.yahoo.com/baker-mayfield-sometimes-nice-punch-133823544.html
Let's hope we don't get that same "punch in the mouth" 15 more rounds. ??
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Lost in all of this talk about the offense, I'd like to turn my attention to the defense.
I think Joe Woods is a solid coach and I like some of the things I've seen from his tape in Denver. But Unless this is some weird long term play to see if Baltimore would put as much on film for a later game that might have playoff implications... (can't imagine it being that) It was a master class in watching Greg Roman whoop his ass. Either that or a man in such a complete fear of being embarrassed in the backend, that he forget that he's playing against a QB with a sub 50% completion rate when pressured. Seriously, the amount of space he let the Ravens have to operate Sunday is completely unacceptable right from the very first snap. The man had a game plan that, if I didn't know who the QB was, I would have presumed it was Aaron fucking Rogers given the depth of our DB's and the respect paid to the QB's passing ability.
You made Lamar a better passer by giving him enough time to finish and e-sign his 2019 tax return the majority of the first half.
I'm hoping this is a big case of Stef and Woods just being out of their element with the shortened off season and injuries. Because as play-callers, a couple people on this board could have done better. And that is zero hyperbole from me.
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Double post. I'll say this, watching the Oline work on the Ravens front - Wyatt Teller should be getting some love. Kid did work early and often.
edit: I'm beginning to think if there's any hope for salvaging the season while slowly bringing along Baker, this team is going to have to do their best impression of the 2016 Dallas Cowboys. Run the ball, play action, control the clock, play keep away, and hope to god the defense finds a stop or two along the way.
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Is it safe to say that we can pretty much throw out completion percentage in college in the trash as an indicator of a QBs "accuracy".
Brandon Weeden and Baker Mayfield had ridiculous completion percentages in college due to offenses that schemed people wide open. In the NFL, they've struggled to hit the broad side of a barn. Hell, even in Mayfield's rookie season, I thought he got a lot of help from his receivers.
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Lost in all of this talk about the offense, I'd like to turn my attention to the defense.
I think Joe Woods is a solid coach and I like some of the things I've seen from his tape in Denver. But Unless this is some weird long term play to see if Baltimore would put as much on film for a later game that might have playoff implications... (can't imagine it being that) It was a master class in watching Greg Roman whoop his ass. Either that or a man in such a complete fear of being embarrassed in the backend, that he forget that he's playing against a QB with a sub 50% completion rate when pressured. Seriously, the amount of space he let the Ravens have to operate Sunday is completely unacceptable right from the very first snap. The man had a game plan that, if I didn't know who the QB was, I would have presumed it was Aaron fucking Rogers given the depth of our DB's and the respect paid to the QB's passing ability.
You made Lamar a better passer by giving him enough time to finish and e-sign his 2019 tax return the majority of the first half.
I'm hoping this is a big case of Stef and Woods just being out of their element with the shortened off season and injuries. Because as play-callers, a couple people on this board could have done better. And that is zero hyperbole from me.
Lost in all of this talk about the offense, I'd like to turn my attention to the defense.
I don't have it in me to discuss the defense. The 99 yard drive says it all, and I can't bring up anything else. You know what's REALLY strange? Our defense lead the entire league in pass pressure percentage. We forced Lamar under pressure 50% of the time, which was tops.
And it didn't matter one bit.
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Is it safe to say that we can pretty much throw out completion percentage in college in the trash as an indicator of a QBs "accuracy".
Brandon Weeden and Baker Mayfield had ridiculous completion percentages in college due to offenses that schemed people wide open. In the NFL, they've struggled to hit the broad side of a barn. Hell, even in Mayfield's rookie season, I thought he got a lot of help from his receivers.
Is it safe to say that we can pretty much throw out completion percentage in college in the trash as an indicator of a QBs "accuracy".
If you really want to be pissed off, go back and watch the throws Kyler Murray made to Deondre Hopkins. New star WR in a new system...but he had 15 catches for 150 yards. Murray made throws that Baker can only dream of.
Go back and watch some of the throws Cousins made. Ben made. Heck, even Joe Burrow made multiple big time throws at the end of the game to almost beat the Bolts. In fact, the Bengals are saying they feel like they won that game and they can't WAIT to play Cleveland Thursday. You guys think OUR guys are excited about playing? Hell no. There's so much pressure on our team that you wouldn't be able to pound a needle up our asses with a 10 pound hammer.
Baker does NOT get a "pass" against the Ravens. If anything, our crappy defense does because we played the Ravens and we had so many injuries. I can't imagine how tight Baker will be this week. Remember when he was playing well forever ago and he was just out there having fun? Running down the field? Screaming and feeling dangerous? God that seems like forever ago doesn't it?
Yeah, it's one game, but it's really a bit more than that. It's really game 17 that carried over from last year.
Oh, and screw you OBJ. Oh yeah, I nearly forgot. Screw YOU Hodges. That asshole got a false start on a play that was designed for him. Ravens' star CB just went out due to injury, OBJ went out for SOME reason, we had a deep shot dialed up for freaking HODGES and he got so excited that he jumped early like an asshole. Next play? Backwards again. Hello 3rd and 41.
3rd....and...41. Yes, that happened. Then, we punt the ball down to the 1 yard line, they go 99, goodnight Irene.
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I think the Bengals beat our ass. We don’t have a team out there. Idk what we have. The bengals played better than us week 1. I’m very skeptical of the preparation of the team. They are behind the 8 ball and it showed
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Go Bills
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I'm nowhere near ready to say that the Bengals are going to beat our asses, BUT I will say they're likely to play much looser. They're fresh off the first pick of the draft so they don't feel the pressures we'll feel. Not only that, they had that game won AND they beat our ass to end the season last year. It's week 2, but it's gonna be intense AS F&@K.
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I'm nowhere near ready to say that the Bengals are going to beat our asses, BUT I will say they're likely to play much looser. They're fresh off the first pick of the draft so they don't feel the pressures we'll feel. Not only that, they had that game won AND they beat our ass to end the season last year. It's week 2, but it's gonna be intense AS F&@K.
I'm nowhere near ready to say that the Bengals are going to beat our asses, BUT I will say they're likely to play much looser. They're fresh off the first pick of the draft so they don't feel the pressures we'll feel. Not only that, they had that game won AND they beat our ass to end the season last year. It's week 2, but it's gonna be intense AS F&@K.
If the Browns lose this game... I want Haslam gone... They have no business losing this game... I understand Haslam doesn't suit up... But he hires these jackoffs!... The way him and his ass hat wife has run this franchise... They need to be run out of town...
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Double post. I'll say this, watching the Oline work on the Ravens front - Wyatt Teller should be getting some love. Kid did work early and often.
edit: I'm beginning to think if there's any hope for salvaging the season while slowly bringing along Baker, this team is going to have to do their best impression of the 2016 Dallas Cowboys. Run the ball, play action, control the clock, play keep away, and hope to god the defense finds a stop or two along the way.
Double post. I'll say this, watching the Oline work on the Ravens front - Wyatt Teller should be getting some love. Kid did work early and often.
edit: I'm beginning to think if there's any hope for salvaging the season while slowly bringing along Baker, this team is going to have to do their best impression of the 2016 Dallas Cowboys. Run the ball, play action, control the clock, play keep away, and hope to god the defense finds a stop or two along the way.
The Line was really solid all day.
i believe Wyatt Teller had the highest PPF score of all guards last week 91.2. He did a fair bit of owning his man And others throughout
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Hehehehe. I tend to cut Browns fans a ton of slack. We've been through so much crap that it's almost unbelievable. Honestly, what most of us simply want is to have fun on Sunday again. What's that mean in terms of our record? I have no idea, but I know fans aren't having fun and they're just tired of being laughed at.
I know we can't lose this game Thursday, that's obvious. And you know what? We SHOULDN'T lose! The Bengals were the worst team in the world last year and we play them week 2. There's NO WAY they should come close to beating us. Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way. Perhaps we just laid a clunker against the Ravens and we're much better than we showed. Watch us go out and beat the shit out of the Bengals tomorrow night.
Here's what I'm thinking. We're not likely to get down 30 points like last week. We'll be able to utilize the ground game the entire time and wear their butts out. I'm predicting a very close 1st half, and then I think we simply "out talent" them. Cream rises to the top, OBJ scores on a 50 yarder, Chubb and Hunt blow up, and Baker finally gets to play "game manager" while finding his footing.
Baker = 17-24 for 223 yards and 2 tds with 1 pick.
Final score = Browns 27, Bengals 16
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Double post. I'll say this, watching the Oline work on the Ravens front - Wyatt Teller should be getting some love. Kid did work early and often.
edit: I'm beginning to think if there's any hope for salvaging the season while slowly bringing along Baker, this team is going to have to do their best impression of the 2016 Dallas Cowboys. Run the ball, play action, control the clock, play keep away, and hope to god the defense finds a stop or two along the way.
The Line was really solid all day.
i believe Wyatt Teller had the highest PPF score of all guards last week 91.2. He did a fair bit of owning his man And others throughout
The Line was really solid all day.
i believe Wyatt Teller had the highest PPF score of all guards last week 91.2. He did a fair bit of owning his man And others throughout
Really? Well PFF and I saw the same things then this time.
For a spot many of us were concerned about, it's an early return that shows promise. If he keeps this up and Wills stays healthy while improving, then it's one of the best lines in the NFL.
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"We have the players, and we have the coaches,” Chubb said. “We just have to put it together. There is no excuse for us with who all is on our team to go out there and put up one touchdown. That is unacceptable. We know it, we accept that, and we are looking to get better.”
~Nick Chubb~
This is all I have heard from the team since it has been back... Why are we still waiting?
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
The Line was really solid all day.
i believe Wyatt Teller had the highest PPF score of all guards last week 91.2. He did a fair bit of owning his man And others throughout
Really? Well PFF and I saw the same things then this time.
For a spot many of us were concerned about, it's an early return that shows promise. If he keeps this up and Wills stays healthy while improving, then it's one of the best lines in the NFL.
Really? Well PFF and I saw the same things then this time.
For a spot many of us were concerned about, it's an early return that shows promise. If he keeps this up and Wills stays healthy while improving, then it's one of the best lines in the NFL.
And that seems to lead right back to your piece on Baker. Do I get a credit?? ?
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"We have the players, and we have the coaches,” Chubb said. “We just have to put it together. There is no excuse for us with who all is on our team to go out there and put up one touchdown. That is unacceptable. We know it, we accept that, and we are looking to get better.”
~Nick Chubb~
This is all I have heard from the team since it has been back... Why are we still waiting?
"We have the players, and we have the coaches,” Chubb said. “We just have to put it together. There is no excuse for us with who all is on our team to go out there and put up one touchdown. That is unacceptable. We know it, we accept that, and we are looking to get better.”
~Nick Chubb~
This is all I have heard from the team since it has been back... Why are we still waiting?
We haven’t been this good offensively in 20 years. Chubb is speaking facts. He is trying to speak it into existence.
Nick is also a Batman fan, and the night is darkest just before dawn, folks. -
"We have the players, and we have the coaches,” Chubb said. “We just have to put it together. There is no excuse for us with who all is on our team to go out there and put up one touchdown. That is unacceptable. We know it, we accept that, and we are looking to get better.”
~Nick Chubb~
This is all I have heard from the team since it has been back... Why are we still waiting?
"We have the players, and we have the coaches,” Chubb said. “We just have to put it together. There is no excuse for us with who all is on our team to go out there and put up one touchdown. That is unacceptable. We know it, we accept that, and we are looking to get better.”
~Nick Chubb~
This is all I have heard from the team since it has been back... Why are we still waiting?
I think we put up big numbers Thursday. Let’s hope the defense can get in the way a little
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Really? Well PFF and I saw the same things then this time.
For a spot many of us were concerned about, it's an early return that shows promise. If he keeps this up and Wills stays healthy while improving, then it's one of the best lines in the NFL.
And that seems to lead right back to your piece on Baker. Do I get a credit?? ?
And that seems to lead right back to your piece on Baker. Do I get a credit?? ?
You think I'm some cheap whore who just hands out rando upvotes?
Sir, I am at bare minimum, a high class escort. Thank you very much.
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