Baker Mayfield
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Charlie Frye is 6’4”. Give Baker that height and we may have something
You know who was tall? Brandon Weeden
Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are shorter but it doesn't seem to bother them because they know how to maneuver the pocket and find the throwing lanes. Baker needs to be out of the pocket and feels ghosts in the pocket. Since Baker doesn't have the great pocket awareness the others have, being on the short side hurts him.
Brandon Weeden was old enough to retire when we drafted him. Still don't understand that one.
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People trashing Manziel because he was a midget. So they go out and draft someone who's like an inch taller. There is a reason why Baker has more success outside the pocket. He is a one read QB that can't see over the line.
Jesus... been a while since I’ve seen this much bitching from grown ass men... They lost a fucking game and are 4-2 with Cincy coming up next week. I feel like some of you haven’t been around/forgot what this shitshow usually looks like this time of year.
The quicker you accept the fact that Baker is the QB in Cleveland for the foreseeable future the better off your going to be. This is the NFL. You either draft a QB or you don’t get one until they are old and flamed out. And no... Case Keenum isn’t better. The guy’s been on 7 nfl teams since 2012. Oh ya... and he is 6’1”
You know who was tall? Brandon Weeden. Ya let’s draft him again in the mid first round... or Brady Quinn! Great idea.
Height isn't the issue. Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are both under 6 feet tall and both are Superbowl champions and are leaders of perennial playoff teams, so short QBs can succeed in this league. So far, Baker has shown that when you take the run game away from him, he cannot seem to step up and lead this team. It really sucks to say that because he is a good person, but it's looking like what we're seeing now is the upper limit of his abilities. What excuses does he have left? We're fucking stacked in the WR, RB and TE positions, the O-Line's play is better than it's ever been, and we finally have a decent HC. He has no one else left to blame for his shit play than himself.
Height isn't the issue. Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are both under 6 feet tall and both are Superbowl champions and are leaders of perennial playoff teams, so short QBs can succeed in this league. So far, Baker has shown that when you take the run game away from him, he cannot seem to step up and lead this team. It really sucks to say that because he is a good person, but it's looking like what we're seeing now is the upper limit of his abilities. What excuses does he have left? We're fucking stacked in the WR, RB and TE positions, the O-Line's play is better than it's ever been, and we finally have a decent HC. He has no one else left to blame for his shit play than himself.
I'm gonna agree here... If we get stable qb play today and a stout defense.. we win today.. But the coaching today was exceptionally shitty... So lets not excuse them either... It was a team loss today.. Yeah... Baker sucked... But it was more than him...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Go back and read my pre draft assessment on Baker throwing outside of OU's play-action designs.
That's most of your problem.
Go back and read my pre draft assessment on Baker throwing outside of OU's play-action designs.
That's most of your problem.
What was your pre draft assessment on the two MVP's drafted recently Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson?
I know this forum didn't like the idea of taking Kyler Murray at #17 if he was available, which he wasn't, because there is nobody worth their football salt, possessing any decent insight into the game that would let him slide that far down the board.
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Height isn't the issue. Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are both under 6 feet tall and both are Superbowl champions and are leaders of perennial playoff teams, so short QBs can succeed in this league. So far, Baker has shown that when you take the run game away from him, he cannot seem to step up and lead this team. It really sucks to say that because he is a good person, but it's looking like what we're seeing now is the upper limit of his abilities. What excuses does he have left? We're fucking stacked in the WR, RB and TE positions, the O-Line's play is better than it's ever been, and we finally have a decent HC. He has no one else left to blame for his shit play than himself.
I'm gonna agree here... If we get stable qb play today and a stout defense.. we win today.. But the coaching today was exceptionally shitty... So lets not excuse them either... It was a team loss today.. Yeah... Baker sucked... But it was more than him...
I'm gonna agree here... If we get stable qb play today and a stout defense.. we win today.. But the coaching today was exceptionally shitty... So lets not excuse them either... It was a team loss today.. Yeah... Baker sucked... But it was more than him...
It really felt like the Steelers were a step ahead all day. Defensively we had a game plan for what we thought we were going to see, like a bunch of short passes, and seemed prepared early on with some of those getting deflected and almost intercepted, but their offense pulled out more bags of tricks that our defense wasn't ready for. And on offense, the Line looked like they had a rough day, particularly the Tackles. I really think they got exposed today by speed.
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Height isn't the issue. Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are both under 6 feet tall and both are Superbowl champions and are leaders of perennial playoff teams, so short QBs can succeed in this league. So far, Baker has shown that when you take the run game away from him, he cannot seem to step up and lead this team. It really sucks to say that because he is a good person, but it's looking like what we're seeing now is the upper limit of his abilities. What excuses does he have left? We're fucking stacked in the WR, RB and TE positions, the O-Line's play is better than it's ever been, and we finally have a decent HC. He has no one else left to blame for his shit play than himself.
I'm gonna agree here... If we get stable qb play today and a stout defense.. we win today.. But the coaching today was exceptionally shitty... So lets not excuse them either... It was a team loss today.. Yeah... Baker sucked... But it was more than him...
I'm gonna agree here... If we get stable qb play today and a stout defense.. we win today.. But the coaching today was exceptionally shitty... So lets not excuse them either... It was a team loss today.. Yeah... Baker sucked... But it was more than him...
I totally agree we were out coached. That was obvious.
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Jesus... been a while since I’ve seen this much bitching from grown ass men... They lost a fucking game and are 4-2 with Cincy coming up next week. I feel like some of you haven’t been around/forgot what this shitshow usually looks like this time of year.
The quicker you accept the fact that Baker is the QB in Cleveland for the foreseeable future the better off your going to be. This is the NFL. You either draft a QB or you don’t get one until they are old and flamed out. And no... Case Keenum isn’t better. The guy’s been on 7 nfl teams since 2012. Oh ya... and he is 6’1”
You know who was tall? Brandon Weeden. Ya let’s draft him again in the mid first round... or Brady Quinn! Great idea.
Jesus... been a while since I’ve seen this much bitching from grown ass men... They lost a fucking game and are 4-2 with Cincy coming up next week. I feel like some of you haven’t been around/forgot what this shitshow usually looks like this time of year.
The quicker you accept the fact that Baker is the QB in Cleveland for the foreseeable future the better off your going to be. This is the NFL. You either draft a QB or you don’t get one until they are old and flamed out. And no... Case Keenum isn’t better. The guy’s been on 7 nfl teams since 2012. Oh ya... and he is 6’1”
You know who was tall? Brandon Weeden. Ya let’s draft him again in the mid first round... or Brady Quinn! Great idea.
If Baker continues this play he won’t be here in the foreseeable future
The people in charge have no loyalty to him at all
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Go back and read my pre draft assessment on Baker throwing outside of OU's play-action designs.
That's most of your problem.
What was your pre draft assessment on the two MVP's drafted recently Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson?
I know this forum didn't like the idea of taking Kyler Murray at #17 if he was available, which he wasn't, because there is nobody worth their football salt, possessing any decent insight into the game that would let him slide that far down the board.
What was your pre draft assessment on the two MVP's drafted recently Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson?
I know this forum didn't like the idea of taking Kyler Murray at #17 if he was available, which he wasn't, because there is nobody worth their football salt, possessing any decent insight into the game that would let him slide that far down the board.
Didn't watch enough of Mahomes to make an assessment, but early going felt he might be a turnover machine with how he panicked under pressure.
Assessment on Lamar? Special athlete, so-so QB.
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What was your pre draft assessment on the two MVP's drafted recently Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson?
I know this forum didn't like the idea of taking Kyler Murray at #17 if he was available, which he wasn't, because there is nobody worth their football salt, possessing any decent insight into the game that would let him slide that far down the board.
Didn't watch enough of Mahomes to make an assessment, but early going felt he might be a turnover machine with how he panicked under pressure.
Assessment on Lamar? Special athlete, so-so QB.
Didn't watch enough of Mahomes to make an assessment, but early going felt he might be a turnover machine with how he panicked under pressure.
Assessment on Lamar? Special athlete, so-so QB.
I’d say Lamar is definitely a special athlete but he is a below average QB. He won’t last. As soon as he can’t escape, he will be done
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Jesus... been a while since I’ve seen this much bitching from grown ass men... They lost a fucking game and are 4-2 with Cincy coming up next week. I feel like some of you haven’t been around/forgot what this shitshow usually looks like this time of year.
The quicker you accept the fact that Baker is the QB in Cleveland for the foreseeable future the better off your going to be. This is the NFL. You either draft a QB or you don’t get one until they are old and flamed out. And no... Case Keenum isn’t better. The guy’s been on 7 nfl teams since 2012. Oh ya... and he is 6’1”
You know who was tall? Brandon Weeden. Ya let’s draft him again in the mid first round... or Brady Quinn! Great idea.
If Baker continues this play he won’t be here in the foreseeable future
The people in charge have no loyalty to him at all
The people in charge have no loyalty to him at all
This is absolutely true.
And after this season Mayfield will be 60% done with his rookie deal. Some hard questions will be asked in Berea regarding if Baker is the guy the current regime wants to build around long term.
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Didn't watch enough of Mahomes to make an assessment, but early going felt he might be a turnover machine with how he panicked under pressure.
Assessment on Lamar? Special athlete, so-so QB.
I’d say Lamar is definitely a special athlete but he is a below average QB. He won’t last. As soon as he can’t escape, he will be done
I’d say Lamar is definitely a special athlete but he is a below average QB. He won’t last. As soon as he can’t escape, he will be done
I was speaking of my pre-draft assessment on him.
Still stands. He struggles beating man coverage when he has to come off his primary and throw outside the numbers. He'll rack up playoff losses over and over unless they face a team the Ravens can run all over.
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It is amazing to me how people are so quick to just talk after a bad game, and don't get me wrong it was a TERRIBLE game. But there are actually people on this thread and the GameDay one who seems to only come post when a bad game happens and to run their mouth how bad the team/Baker is.
But since one game is the determining factor in how bad Baker is, apparently a bust who must be run outta town, I guess Aaron Rodgers and the Packers suck too.
Rodgers: 0 TD Baker 1 TD
Rodgers: 2 INT, Baker 2 INT (both 1 pick 6)
Rodgers: 160 yards in 3+ quarters, 119 in 2+
Rodgers: 4.6 yard average, Baker 6.6
Rodgers: 46% completions, Baker: 56%
Rodgers: lost 38-10 to 3-2 team, Baker lost 38-7 to a 4-0 team
Now Baker is no where near as good as Rodgers, never will be. I am not even saying that he is a franchise QB, but wanting to use one game to try and make a point is just uninformed.
You guys do realize that sometimes the other team is just better. Whether that is that day, that season, etc. PITTSBURGH IS BETTER. And all the not afraid of Steelers talk etc leading up just makes the result much harder to stomach.
Does 2 blowout losses look bad? Obviously. And maybe the Browns aren't ready to take that next step. But I would imagine that most people on here etc. wouldn't have had the team better than 4-2 at this time.
And for those in this or that thread saying the missing players don't matter, nope they don't in the grand scheme of things, and they wouldn't have made a difference in the 2 losses from the outcome, BUT just think back on these last 6 games and how everyone ripped the defense. Now imagine taking some of the starters out, probably doesn't make them better. Now imagine having a limited QB, losing one half of what has been said here and nationally as the best backfield tandem, and your RG who has been raved about after being said coming into the year as one of the biggest weaknesses.
Yes it is always next man up. Yes these are all professionals who are still at the top of their field, but for the few on this board who I have read are coaches like myself or seem to have a good grasp on it, you know how things like this can happen and are extremely likely to be a negative result.
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It is amazing to me how people are so quick to just talk after a bad game, and don't get me wrong it was a TERRIBLE game. But there are actually people on this thread and the GameDay one who seems to only come post when a bad game happens and to run their mouth how bad the team/Baker is.
But since one game is the determining factor in how bad Baker is, apparently a bust who must be run outta town, I guess Aaron Rodgers and the Packers suck too.
Rodgers: 0 TD Baker 1 TD
Rodgers: 2 INT, Baker 2 INT (both 1 pick 6)
Rodgers: 160 yards in 3+ quarters, 119 in 2+
Rodgers: 4.6 yard average, Baker 6.6
Rodgers: 46% completions, Baker: 56%
Rodgers: lost 38-10 to 3-2 team, Baker lost 38-7 to a 4-0 team
Now Baker is no where near as good as Rodgers, never will be. I am not even saying that he is a franchise QB, but wanting to use one game to try and make a point is just uninformed.
You guys do realize that sometimes the other team is just better. Whether that is that day, that season, etc. PITTSBURGH IS BETTER. And all the not afraid of Steelers talk etc leading up just makes the result much harder to stomach.
Does 2 blowout losses look bad? Obviously. And maybe the Browns aren't ready to take that next step. But I would imagine that most people on here etc. wouldn't have had the team better than 4-2 at this time.
And for those in this or that thread saying the missing players don't matter, nope they don't in the grand scheme of things, and they wouldn't have made a difference in the 2 losses from the outcome, BUT just think back on these last 6 games and how everyone ripped the defense. Now imagine taking some of the starters out, probably doesn't make them better. Now imagine having a limited QB, losing one half of what has been said here and nationally as the best backfield tandem, and your RG who has been raved about after being said coming into the year as one of the biggest weaknesses.
Yes it is always next man up. Yes these are all professionals who are still at the top of their field, but for the few on this board who I have read are coaches like myself or seem to have a good grasp on it, you know how things like this can happen and are extremely likely to be a negative result.
It is amazing to me how people are so quick to just talk after a bad game, and don't get me wrong it was a TERRIBLE game. But there are actually people on this thread and the GameDay one who seems to only come post when a bad game happens and to run their mouth how bad the team/Baker is.
But since one game is the determining factor in how bad Baker is, apparently a bust who must be run outta town, I guess Aaron Rodgers and the Packers suck too.
Rodgers: 0 TD Baker 1 TD
Rodgers: 2 INT, Baker 2 INT (both 1 pick 6)
Rodgers: 160 yards in 3+ quarters, 119 in 2+
Rodgers: 4.6 yard average, Baker 6.6
Rodgers: 46% completions, Baker: 56%
Rodgers: lost 38-10 to 3-2 team, Baker lost 38-7 to a 4-0 team
Now Baker is no where near as good as Rodgers, never will be.
Then this entire post was pointless.
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I’d say Lamar is definitely a special athlete but he is a below average QB. He won’t last. As soon as he can’t escape, he will be done
I was speaking of my pre-draft assessment on him.
Still stands. He struggles beating man coverage when he has to come off his primary and throw outside the numbers. He'll rack up playoff losses over and over unless they face a team the Ravens can run all over.
I was speaking of my pre-draft assessment on him.
Still stands. He struggles beating man coverage when he has to come off his primary and throw outside the numbers. He'll rack up playoff losses over and over unless they face a team the Ravens can run all over.
You are correct
Playoff teams usually don’t get run all over
And the ratbirds will most likely be in the playoffs every year getting 4-6 wins every year in division
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Aaron Rodgers had a HOF resume after 3 years
Baker will be lucky to get a contract extension from the team that drafted him
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
Yes, Russell Wilson and Drew Breese are both shorter QB’s
But they both got better in year 2 and 3
Baker has gotten worse in year 2 and 3
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Aaron Rodgers had a HOF resume after 3 years
Baker will be lucky to get a contract extension from the team that drafted him
Aaron Rodgers had a HOF resume after 3 years
Baker will be lucky to get a contract extension from the team that drafted him
Didn't Rodgers sit the bench for his first three seasons in the NFL?
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Aaron Rodgers had a HOF resume after 3 years
Baker will be lucky to get a contract extension from the team that drafted him
Didn't Rodgers sit the bench for his first three seasons in the NFL?
Didn't Rodgers sit the bench for his first three seasons in the NFL?
After he started playing he had a hall of fame resume in 3 years. As did Russell Wilson who started week 1
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Baker is way closer to flaming out of the league then he is to taking a team to a divisional title
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It is amazing to me how people are so quick to just talk after a bad game, and don't get me wrong it was a TERRIBLE game. But there are actually people on this thread and the GameDay one who seems to only come post when a bad game happens and to run their mouth how bad the team/Baker is.
But since one game is the determining factor in how bad Baker is, apparently a bust who must be run outta town, I guess Aaron Rodgers and the Packers suck too.
Rodgers: 0 TD Baker 1 TD
Rodgers: 2 INT, Baker 2 INT (both 1 pick 6)
Rodgers: 160 yards in 3+ quarters, 119 in 2+
Rodgers: 4.6 yard average, Baker 6.6
Rodgers: 46% completions, Baker: 56%
Rodgers: lost 38-10 to 3-2 team, Baker lost 38-7 to a 4-0 team
Now Baker is no where near as good as Rodgers, never will be.
Then this entire post was pointless.
Then this entire post was pointless.
No its not. You obviously missed the ENTIRE point, and you are one that I actually respect their opinions.
When you use this one game to point out how bad Baker is (again, not saying he isn't) but to use it to justify something well on the exact same day Rodgers would statically have had a worse game. Does that mean Rodgers is terrible? Obviously not. It really isn't a post taking up for Baker, certainly isn't anything negative about Rodgers, its just pointing out that using the worse to justify (specifically those who only come to talk negatively) is asinine.
But let's look at it the complete opposite. If Baker goes out next week and throws for 400+ and 5 TDs does that mean he finally made the correct adjustments to his game and should be the franchise QB for 10 years? Of course not.
And before anyone asks like before in this thread, I was in the Allen camp mainly because of his physical traits. And I would have had Darnold over Baker too. As for the other years recently, hated Trubisky, liked both Mahomes and Watson, didn't like Kyler and didn't like Rosen or Lamar. Some have been good and some not.
But nowhere in there did I say Baker was the answer, etc. I am just pointing out the fact that an all-time great (which Baker IS NOT, WILL 99.9% NEVER BE) can have just as bad if not worse statistical game. But I am not going to completely write him off at this point. As the QB, he has the team 4-2 (no not because of him), and many here probably have little idea how difficult things he has dealt with are on him. The different coaches/systems, and its certainly not easy to play through an injury. And speaking of Rodgers, as a Top 10 QB ever, exactly how much progression, etc did we see at this point in his career?
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Aaron Rodgers had a HOF resume after 3 years
Baker will be lucky to get a contract extension from the team that drafted him
Aaron Rodgers had a HOF resume after 3 years
Baker will be lucky to get a contract extension from the team that drafted him
Ugh terrible history there sir.
2005: 65 yards 0 TD 1 INT
2006: 46 yards 0 TD 0 INT
2007: 218 yards 1 TD 0 INT
This is the EXACT thing I am talking about.
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