Baker Mayfield
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That was the exact point I was making. I know he was rated at the best, and he very well may end up being better in the long run.
Well 1st nobody said he was a HOF player, and nobody said anything about upside, but you did say it was joke to rank DD over WT based on something? So are you of the opinion that what Teller has done in his 5 games this year has given him the huge jump to surpass him? Because based off of last season, Teller was rated at 56.8 grade, while Decastro was a pro bowler. And heading into the season, Decastro was rated as the 5th best interior OL in the entire league.
Hey why not... There are people out there who think Burrow is better than Baker and he's only played 6 fucking games...
Hey why not... There are people out there who think Burrow is better than Baker and he's only played 6 fucking games..
Yeah, that's not entirely fair. What Burrow is doing is dominating the 10-19 yard range, which is something that Baker ISN'T doing. Burrow is 1 of his last 28 on passes longer than 20 yards (per Browns Daily) and he's dominating with the midrange but still struggling getting the ball down the field.
If you recall, Burrow caught fire against us, specifically to his slot receiver, Boyd. This should not happen again, mainly because we won't have Tavierre Thomas covering him and we have the underrated Kevin Johnson at the nickel, and we'll also have Ronnie Harrison AND Karl Joseph in our secondary. That's gigantic and should alter the landscape of the game.
Burrow is doing things that rookies typically don't. He also missed AJ Green twice by a very small margin on deep shots, so you don't want them to find their chemistry against us. Owning the 10-19 yard range is something rookies almost NEVER do, so the praise for Burrow is definitely justified. Conversely, Baker isn't looking as good, and his last two halves of football resulted in 4 interceptions, basically no big completions, and about 7 total points.
To be fair, those 2 halves were against terrific defenses. Additionally, Baker has ALWAYS played well against the Bengals and that's who we have Sunday. I would definitely expect Baker to be throwing it around the yard tomorrow. Cincy will not bring a lot of pressure, and they will be MORE than happy to sit back and let Baker try to beat them through the air. They know their offense is clicking and they know Baker is hurting. They also know that Baker throws high, so guess what? Eventually Baker will give it you. It's up to us to get the running game going and keep our offense balanced. If we do that, we win. If Baker throws 40+ times we lose.
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Hey why not... There are people out there who think Burrow is better than Baker and he's only played 6 fucking games..
Yeah, that's not entirely fair. What Burrow is doing is dominating the 10-19 yard range, which is something that Baker ISN'T doing. Burrow is 1 of his last 28 on passes longer than 20 yards (per Browns Daily) and he's dominating with the midrange but still struggling getting the ball down the field.
If you recall, Burrow caught fire against us, specifically to his slot receiver, Boyd. This should not happen again, mainly because we won't have Tavierre Thomas covering him and we have the underrated Kevin Johnson at the nickel, and we'll also have Ronnie Harrison AND Karl Joseph in our secondary. That's gigantic and should alter the landscape of the game.
Burrow is doing things that rookies typically don't. He also missed AJ Green twice by a very small margin on deep shots, so you don't want them to find their chemistry against us. Owning the 10-19 yard range is something rookies almost NEVER do, so the praise for Burrow is definitely justified. Conversely, Baker isn't looking as good, and his last two halves of football resulted in 4 interceptions, basically no big completions, and about 7 total points.
To be fair, those 2 halves were against terrific defenses. Additionally, Baker has ALWAYS played well against the Bengals and that's who we have Sunday. I would definitely expect Baker to be throwing it around the yard tomorrow. Cincy will not bring a lot of pressure, and they will be MORE than happy to sit back and let Baker try to beat them through the air. They know their offense is clicking and they know Baker is hurting. They also know that Baker throws high, so guess what? Eventually Baker will give it you. It's up to us to get the running game going and keep our offense balanced. If we do that, we win. If Baker throws 40+ times we lose.
Burrow is doing things that rookies typically don't. He also missed AJ Green twice by a very small margin on deep shots, so you don't want them to find their chemistry against us.
Oh no! Now you've done it. We're screwed!??
BTW watch how many times they manage a 1 on 1 with Sendejo. Definitely screwed against our "speedster" safety (if you count turtle races he's won).??
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The QB whisperer wants his shot too! https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2914765-baker-mayfields-talent-not-being-maximized-in-browns-system-hue-jackson-says 
Planet Pluto too! https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/10/heres-what-im-hearing-about-how-the-team-views-the-season-baker-so-far-terrys-talkin-browns.html As you were..Carry on!
Edit-- AJ Green was targeted 11 times for 8 catches & 96 yards Vs the Colts defense last week.. chemist found...
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Hey why not... There are people out there who think Burrow is better than Baker and he's only played 6 fucking games..
Yeah, that's not entirely fair. What Burrow is doing is dominating the 10-19 yard range, which is something that Baker ISN'T doing. Burrow is 1 of his last 28 on passes longer than 20 yards (per Browns Daily) and he's dominating with the midrange but still struggling getting the ball down the field.
If you recall, Burrow caught fire against us, specifically to his slot receiver, Boyd. This should not happen again, mainly because we won't have Tavierre Thomas covering him and we have the underrated Kevin Johnson at the nickel, and we'll also have Ronnie Harrison AND Karl Joseph in our secondary. That's gigantic and should alter the landscape of the game.
Burrow is doing things that rookies typically don't. He also missed AJ Green twice by a very small margin on deep shots, so you don't want them to find their chemistry against us. Owning the 10-19 yard range is something rookies almost NEVER do, so the praise for Burrow is definitely justified. Conversely, Baker isn't looking as good, and his last two halves of football resulted in 4 interceptions, basically no big completions, and about 7 total points.
To be fair, those 2 halves were against terrific defenses. Additionally, Baker has ALWAYS played well against the Bengals and that's who we have Sunday. I would definitely expect Baker to be throwing it around the yard tomorrow. Cincy will not bring a lot of pressure, and they will be MORE than happy to sit back and let Baker try to beat them through the air. They know their offense is clicking and they know Baker is hurting. They also know that Baker throws high, so guess what? Eventually Baker will give it you. It's up to us to get the running game going and keep our offense balanced. If we do that, we win. If Baker throws 40+ times we lose.
Yeah, that's not entirely fair. What Burrow is doing is dominating the 10-19 yard range, which is something that Baker ISN'T doing. Burrow is 1 of his last 28 on passes longer than 20 yards (per Browns Daily) and he's dominating with the midrange but still struggling getting the ball down the field.
If you recall, Burrow caught fire against us, specifically to his slot receiver, Boyd. This should not happen again, mainly because we won't have Tavierre Thomas covering him and we have the underrated Kevin Johnson at the nickel, and we'll also have Ronnie Harrison AND Karl Joseph in our secondary. That's gigantic and should alter the landscape of the game.
Burrow is doing things that rookies typically don't. He also missed AJ Green twice by a very small margin on deep shots, so you don't want them to find their chemistry against us. Owning the 10-19 yard range is something rookies almost NEVER do, so the praise for Burrow is definitely justified. Conversely, Baker isn't looking as good, and his last two halves of football resulted in 4 interceptions, basically no big completions, and about 7 total points.
To be fair, those 2 halves were against terrific defenses. Additionally, Baker has ALWAYS played well against the Bengals and that's who we have Sunday. I would definitely expect Baker to be throwing it around the yard tomorrow. Cincy will not bring a lot of pressure, and they will be MORE than happy to sit back and let Baker try to beat them through the air. They know their offense is clicking and they know Baker is hurting. They also know that Baker throws high, so guess what? Eventually Baker will give it you. It's up to us to get the running game going and keep our offense balanced. If we do that, we win. If Baker throws 40+ times we lose.
Still not buying it...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Teller played as the best graded guard in the game Before he got hurt, for what it’s worth. But yes he’s young and hasn’t had a proven career like Decastro
Teller played as the best graded guard in the game Before he got hurt, for what it’s worth. But yes he’s young and hasn’t had a proven career like Decastro
DeCastro is in the probowl every year.
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Hey why not... There are people out there who think Burrow is better than Baker and he's only played 6 fucking games..
Yeah, that's not entirely fair. What Burrow is doing is dominating the 10-19 yard range, which is something that Baker ISN'T doing. Burrow is 1 of his last 28 on passes longer than 20 yards (per Browns Daily) and he's dominating with the midrange but still struggling getting the ball down the field.
If you recall, Burrow caught fire against us, specifically to his slot receiver, Boyd. This should not happen again, mainly because we won't have Tavierre Thomas covering him and we have the underrated Kevin Johnson at the nickel, and we'll also have Ronnie Harrison AND Karl Joseph in our secondary. That's gigantic and should alter the landscape of the game.
Burrow is doing things that rookies typically don't. He also missed AJ Green twice by a very small margin on deep shots, so you don't want them to find their chemistry against us. Owning the 10-19 yard range is something rookies almost NEVER do, so the praise for Burrow is definitely justified. Conversely, Baker isn't looking as good, and his last two halves of football resulted in 4 interceptions, basically no big completions, and about 7 total points.
To be fair, those 2 halves were against terrific defenses. Additionally, Baker has ALWAYS played well against the Bengals and that's who we have Sunday. I would definitely expect Baker to be throwing it around the yard tomorrow. Cincy will not bring a lot of pressure, and they will be MORE than happy to sit back and let Baker try to beat them through the air. They know their offense is clicking and they know Baker is hurting. They also know that Baker throws high, so guess what? Eventually Baker will give it you. It's up to us to get the running game going and keep our offense balanced. If we do that, we win. If Baker throws 40+ times we lose.
Yeah, that's not entirely fair. What Burrow is doing is dominating the 10-19 yard range, which is something that Baker ISN'T doing. Burrow is 1 of his last 28 on passes longer than 20 yards (per Browns Daily) and he's dominating with the midrange but still struggling getting the ball down the field.
If you recall, Burrow caught fire against us, specifically to his slot receiver, Boyd. This should not happen again, mainly because we won't have Tavierre Thomas covering him and we have the underrated Kevin Johnson at the nickel, and we'll also have Ronnie Harrison AND Karl Joseph in our secondary. That's gigantic and should alter the landscape of the game.
Burrow is doing things that rookies typically don't. He also missed AJ Green twice by a very small margin on deep shots, so you don't want them to find their chemistry against us. Owning the 10-19 yard range is something rookies almost NEVER do, so the praise for Burrow is definitely justified. Conversely, Baker isn't looking as good, and his last two halves of football resulted in 4 interceptions, basically no big completions, and about 7 total points.
To be fair, those 2 halves were against terrific defenses. Additionally, Baker has ALWAYS played well against the Bengals and that's who we have Sunday. I would definitely expect Baker to be throwing it around the yard tomorrow. Cincy will not bring a lot of pressure, and they will be MORE than happy to sit back and let Baker try to beat them through the air. They know their offense is clicking and they know Baker is hurting. They also know that Baker throws high, so guess what? Eventually Baker will give it you. It's up to us to get the running game going and keep our offense balanced. If we do that, we win. If Baker throws 40+ times we lose.
Burrow is still a rookie, regardless of his future potential. Browns should win with ease, by 20 or more.
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That was the exact point I was making. I know he was rated at the best, and he very well may end up being better in the long run.
Well 1st nobody said he was a HOF player, and nobody said anything about upside, but you did say it was joke to rank DD over WT based on something? So are you of the opinion that what Teller has done in his 5 games this year has given him the huge jump to surpass him? Because based off of last season, Teller was rated at 56.8 grade, while Decastro was a pro bowler. And heading into the season, Decastro was rated as the 5th best interior OL in the entire league.
Hey why not... There are people out there who think Burrow is better than Baker and he's only played 6 fucking games...
Hey why not... There are people out there who think Burrow is better than Baker and he's only played 6 fucking games...
i think burrow will be a better qb than baker.....not sure if he is there yet though.....baker will never be an elite qb....we made the wrong choice at qb......again....
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Burrow is doing things that rookies typically don't. He also missed AJ Green twice by a very small margin on deep shots, so you don't want them to find their chemistry against us.
Oh no! Now you've done it. We're screwed!??
BTW watch how many times they manage a 1 on 1 with Sendejo. Definitely screwed against our "speedster" safety (if you count turtle races he's won).??
Oh no! Now you've done it. We're screwed!??
BTW watch how many times they manage a 1 on 1 with Sendejo. Definitely screwed against our "speedster" safety (if you count turtle races he's won).??
burrow should go over 300 yds this game...and if obj is a distraction on the sidelines.....which i think he probably will be as baker makes some bad throws and our pussy soft defense wilts again.especially the secondary.....we will lose this game....
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Baker can't read defensive coverages, he made the same pick against the Ravens and Steelers. He's also become quite inaccurate and evolving into an average QB, I'll predict that he won't be offered an extension this offseason unless he significantly turns things around.
Baker can't read defensive coverages, he made the same pick against the Ravens and Steelers. He's also become quite inaccurate and evolving into an average QB, I'll predict that he won't be offered an extension this offseason unless he significantly turns things around.
my grade on baker.....d+.......not just this season...but all seasons....only reason he gets a d+ is his first yr when nfl defenses did not have enough time to study him....other wise it would be an f......
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I was surprised with Baker at #1 overall. I get it now. It takes the type of player that Baker is to be the QB of this franchise. It's only year 3. Growth is not always linear.
Perhaps, but name all the QBs who became good after regressing his 2nd and 3rd year compared to their rookie year. Jim Plunket, maybe? It's a short list. We all made excuses for 2019. But he just hasn't got any better even with a real coach instead of Freddie Ass Clown and an improved OL and TE.
Perhaps, but name all the QBs who became good after regressing his 2nd and 3rd year compared to their rookie year. Jim Plunket, maybe? It's a short list. We all made excuses for 2019. But he just hasn't got any better even with a real coach instead of Freddie Ass Clown and an improved OL and TE.
Baker's first half of stellar play vs Indy should say something about his growth. His second half cool down was where he(and Coach) need to do a better job of sustaining drives.
Also, I get that it's Hue, but he has a point....
https://factoryofsadness.co/2020/10/23/browns-hue-jackson-may-point-baker-mayfield/
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Funny because the stats and differentials speak to the complete opposite Of what Hue says. Baker under center and this offense is more successful by a pretty wide margin.
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Yeah, that's not entirely fair. What Burrow is doing is dominating the 10-19 yard range, which is something that Baker ISN'T doing. Burrow is 1 of his last 28 on passes longer than 20 yards (per Browns Daily) and he's dominating with the midrange but still struggling getting the ball down the field.
If you recall, Burrow caught fire against us, specifically to his slot receiver, Boyd. This should not happen again, mainly because we won't have Tavierre Thomas covering him and we have the underrated Kevin Johnson at the nickel, and we'll also have Ronnie Harrison AND Karl Joseph in our secondary. That's gigantic and should alter the landscape of the game.
Burrow is doing things that rookies typically don't. He also missed AJ Green twice by a very small margin on deep shots, so you don't want them to find their chemistry against us. Owning the 10-19 yard range is something rookies almost NEVER do, so the praise for Burrow is definitely justified. Conversely, Baker isn't looking as good, and his last two halves of football resulted in 4 interceptions, basically no big completions, and about 7 total points.
To be fair, those 2 halves were against terrific defenses. Additionally, Baker has ALWAYS played well against the Bengals and that's who we have Sunday. I would definitely expect Baker to be throwing it around the yard tomorrow. Cincy will not bring a lot of pressure, and they will be MORE than happy to sit back and let Baker try to beat them through the air. They know their offense is clicking and they know Baker is hurting. They also know that Baker throws high, so guess what? Eventually Baker will give it you. It's up to us to get the running game going and keep our offense balanced. If we do that, we win. If Baker throws 40+ times we lose.
Still not buying it...
Still not buying it...
You know its awfully telling that your decision to just laugh as a reply when you have no argument back.
So again ill ask. What did you use to make the comment that its a joke of DD over WT? And if your argument is based on what has happened this season (which is the only possible sane argument), then why wouldn't it be just as fair for someone to use this year to say JB over BM?
Or maybe it is as simple as you didn't think you would be called on wanting to use counter productive arguments to make your case, or simply not knowing what the history for the 2 OG was.
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Still not buying it...
You know its awfully telling that your decision to just laugh as a reply when you have no argument back.
So again ill ask. What did you use to make the comment that its a joke of DD over WT? And if your argument is based on what has happened this season (which is the only possible sane argument), then why wouldn't it be just as fair for someone to use this year to say JB over BM?
Or maybe it is as simple as you didn't think you would be called on wanting to use counter productive arguments to make your case, or simply not knowing what the history for the 2 OG was.
You know its awfully telling that your decision to just laugh as a reply when you have no argument back.
So again ill ask. What did you use to make the comment that its a joke of DD over WT? And if your argument is based on what has happened this season (which is the only possible sane argument), then why wouldn't it be just as fair for someone to use this year to say JB over BM?
Or maybe it is as simple as you didn't think you would be called on wanting to use counter productive arguments to make your case, or simply not knowing what the history for the 2 OG was.
I'm not gonna bother explaining myself to a moron...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Hey why not... There are people out there who think Burrow is better than Baker and he's only played 6 fucking games...
i think burrow will be a better qb than baker.....not sure if he is there yet though.....baker will never be an elite qb....we made the wrong choice at qb......again....
i think burrow will be a better qb than baker.....not sure if he is there yet though.....baker will never be an elite qb....we made the wrong choice at qb......again....
Based on what?... Look how long it took Steve Young to get his career on track.. Someone mentioned Jim Plunkett..... Please tell me how great SB winning QB Trent Dilfer was... You are all high!.. It's not like we're going to the SB this year.. Relax!
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You know its awfully telling that your decision to just laugh as a reply when you have no argument back.
So again ill ask. What did you use to make the comment that its a joke of DD over WT? And if your argument is based on what has happened this season (which is the only possible sane argument), then why wouldn't it be just as fair for someone to use this year to say JB over BM?
Or maybe it is as simple as you didn't think you would be called on wanting to use counter productive arguments to make your case, or simply not knowing what the history for the 2 OG was.
I'm not gonna bother explaining myself to a moron...
I'm not gonna bother explaining myself to a moron...
No please explain, and certainly no need to call names.
If it is just your opinion that Teller is better, then just say that. I don't know how that makes it a joke, but it is what it is.
If it is because of some kind of measurable/metric, then please provide.
And if it is going off of this year's grading, great. But you can't be taken seriously when you use that to justify it for Teller/Decastro but want to ignore it for Baker/Burrow.
As for your other point, I don't think the Browns should give up on Baker. There have been too many variables that could be factors in his stunted growth. But you come off here as someone who thinks anyone without the same opinion is just so wrong and have to be "high". But you also are leaving out context for your arguments. Young was behind one of the best QBs ever, THAT had more to do with it than late development. As for Dilfer, no he was never great but did win a SB, so I am not sure where you were trying to go with that??? He was also a very high draft pick.
IMO, unless he completely falls on his face the rest of the year, Baker should be given the opportunity this and next year to see how he can do in this system. And while he isn't setting the league on fire, he has the team at 4-2. And getting a new QB for the team can go either way very easily. The fact of the matter is that they lost to two TEAMS who are/were better than them. The only difference a good BM would have made is by appearance and the score being closer
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Yeah, that's not entirely fair. What Burrow is doing is dominating the 10-19 yard range, which is something that Baker ISN'T doing. Burrow is 1 of his last 28 on passes longer than 20 yards (per Browns Daily) and he's dominating with the midrange but still struggling getting the ball down the field.
If you recall, Burrow caught fire against us, specifically to his slot receiver, Boyd. This should not happen again, mainly because we won't have Tavierre Thomas covering him and we have the underrated Kevin Johnson at the nickel, and we'll also have Ronnie Harrison AND Karl Joseph in our secondary. That's gigantic and should alter the landscape of the game.
Burrow is doing things that rookies typically don't. He also missed AJ Green twice by a very small margin on deep shots, so you don't want them to find their chemistry against us. Owning the 10-19 yard range is something rookies almost NEVER do, so the praise for Burrow is definitely justified. Conversely, Baker isn't looking as good, and his last two halves of football resulted in 4 interceptions, basically no big completions, and about 7 total points.
To be fair, those 2 halves were against terrific defenses. Additionally, Baker has ALWAYS played well against the Bengals and that's who we have Sunday. I would definitely expect Baker to be throwing it around the yard tomorrow. Cincy will not bring a lot of pressure, and they will be MORE than happy to sit back and let Baker try to beat them through the air. They know their offense is clicking and they know Baker is hurting. They also know that Baker throws high, so guess what? Eventually Baker will give it you. It's up to us to get the running game going and keep our offense balanced. If we do that, we win. If Baker throws 40+ times we lose.
Burrow is still a rookie, regardless of his future potential. Browns should win with ease, by 20 or more.
Burrow is still a rookie, regardless of his future potential. Browns should win with ease, by 20 or more.
They've been scrappy! I'd expect a war.
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i think burrow will be a better qb than baker.....not sure if he is there yet though.....baker will never be an elite qb....we made the wrong choice at qb......again....
Based on what?... Look how long it took Steve Young to get his career on track.. Someone mentioned Jim Plunkett..... Please tell me how great SB winning QB Trent Dilfer was... You are all high!.. It's not like we're going to the SB this year.. Relax!
Based on what?... Look how long it took Steve Young to get his career on track.. Someone mentioned Jim Plunkett..... Please tell me how great SB winning QB Trent Dilfer was... You are all high!.. It's not like we're going to the SB this year.. Relax!
It was I who mentioned Plunket. He had 7 nothing years with NE and SF, then went to the Raiders and had 4 playoff years and won rings.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PlunJi00.htm
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They've been scrappy! I'd expect a war.
Browns are more talented at almost every position, and they have a rookie QB.
Browns better OL, WRs close, RBs Clev, TEs Cle, DL Cle, LBs Cinci, DBs not sure. QB?
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They've been scrappy! I'd expect a war.
Browns are more talented at almost every position, and they have a rookie QB.
Browns better OL, WRs close, RBs Clev, TEs Cle, DL Cle, LBs Cinci, DBs not sure. QB?
Browns are more talented at almost every position, and they have a rookie QB.
Browns better OL, WRs close, RBs Clev, TEs Cle, DL Cle, LBs Cinci, DBs not sure. QB?
Yeah, you're not wrong. We are better at most positions but Cincy has been flirting with some upsets lately and were up 21-0 on the Colts before choking. They're going to come out absolutely on fire so it's important we withstand that surge. If we do, they'll deflate and we'll have their asses. No Mixon is HUGE and they are also missing their top DB.
Bring it.
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