Anderson looking like the starter tonight

damajuki

Three kinds of posters on here right now:

Those who defend DA and claim to be proper (and superior) Browns fans.

Those who want to see Quinn play and claim to be proper (and superior) Browns fans.

Those who claim not to care who the QB is and just want to win...and claim to be proper (and superior) Browns fans.

I just wish everyone would just stick to their opinion and stop claiming to be a better Browns fans.

Flugel

@lumbergh said:
it was against the starters rather than against the 4th string.

It also necessitated making our 4th stringers looking better than their 4th stringers right? That's how you throw mutliple TD passes in 1 game Loverboy. You do it by getting those around you to elevate their performance. Let me know HOW I can help you conceptualize this better.

You made it sound like Dumb Ass threw 5 TD passes yesterday on the team you've called Detroilet. I watched the game and saw 1 TD pass from your boyfriend. 16 consecutive regular season opponents were able to throw at least 1 TD pass on the Lions with their starters in the game. Let's not act Dumb Ass is walking on Lake Erie water just yet.

At least you've been straight up about your crush on a QB that doesn't win. He's your hometown hero so I almost understand you editing out the last 9 starts. You've never been a Browns' fan so you never had the priviledge of seeing the real thing the way Otto Graham, Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar established the winning tradition here. I can't bring myself to embrace the cheap imitation if it can't win here with any consistency. If Brian Sipe required a 28th oncore - something tells me we wouldn't have hung onto the 13th round draft pick. In OUR history, winners haven't needed 28 oncores. They just needed more than 3 starts and decent coaching. Fate, intelligence and talent took care of the rest.

- Tom F.

YtownBrownsBacker

Bottom line is neither QB has thrown a TD pass yet and both have thrown too many that the other team has gotten their hands on. Is either the answer?

As good as DA can look he can also break your heart, that is a fact. He's proven he isn't the long term answer. As good as he can be in a quarter like last night, he will be just as bad in some games or quarters. So, if you want to be a .500 team, DA might be your man.

IMO Quinn manages the team better, especially under pressure. DA looks great when he has no rush on him and he gets time to drop and set up. Quinn moves better in the pocket and is a leader on the field. Will Quinn break your heart? Will he implode under pressure? Can he develop into a franchise QB? I want to get those questions answered. I already know what Anderson brings to the table.

If neither is the answer, I want to know before the next draft. The only way is to name Quinn the starter and see if he can step up and be the man.

NebBrownsFan

@osusev said:
Zombo stop wasting your time typing. The BQ bandwagoneers are pissed about last night plain and simple and were SEARCHING HARD for anything...
I like the who 2 minute drill bs... he had about 1 minute with a 20 point lead had a tip int after throwing for over 100 yards in one quarter leading to scores.....

AVERAGE that out over terrible Detroit and he would have had a MONSTER game.... BQ I think would have had a good game also probably not as many yards but the same result.

Notice those same BQ fans dont talk about the near tip linebacker int that BQ almost threw when they mention DA.... neither was a terrible read or a forced play it was just how the ball happened to fall.

Seriously I am more concerned with the odd offensive playcalling from last week for DA was handed to BQ this week. I know it is preseason and I suspect it was situational to expose the QBs for review, but still odd. ST. Clair better be running some laps for blowing up BQ's decent drive.

ON a good note START JAMES DAVIS.... he hits the holes instead of tap dancing and STILL HAS A BURST!!!!!

The bolded part is a very bad argument. It didn't matter how much they were up or how much time was on the clock. It was about Mangini seeing what DA could do in the 2-minute drill. He even said it after the Packer game, that the next time it came to the 2-minute drill it would be DA. Frankly, DA failed to move the ball in that drill and eventually it lead to Detroit getting points.

Flugel

Zombo said:
I will toss grenades at Camp Quinn as long as you act like Quinn fans and not Browns fans.
I know your feelings are hurt because I won't join your He-Man Derek Anderson Hater's Club, but I see absolutely no need to keep bashing the guy.

If you want to build Quinn up and convince me why he is going to be the next great Cleveland Browns QB, I am all ears, I would love nothing more than to see that.

Zombo

That's just it - you posted DA wasn't the answer for this franchise after Quinn's first 2 starts averaged 30 points in November. You keep diverting attention away from this truth for some reason. Can I merely ask why Zippy? And when you had admin powers during the Spring - you removed that entire thread after I archived the first time I caught you changing your tune and straddling the fence. You seem less proud of that than you were promising us Terry Kirby would rush for 1700 yards back in 1999.

In fairness to Vegasdawg - he didn't read your confident post back when Quinn showed us how easy it was to put up 30 points in back to back weeks last Fall.

Again, for those that get it - DA's last 9 starts sport a 3-6 record. Here's 4 of them in how DA took the bull by the horns:

Dallas 28 Cleveland 10

Pittsburgh 10 Cleveland 6

Baltimore 28 Cleveland 10

Indy 10 Cleveland 6

So all of a sudden you don't think Quinn can lead us to 10 points in a 60 minute game THIS year when you gave him your blessings for leading us to 30 points a start last year? Way to make sense! Maybe someday you'll be interested enough to WATCH 1 of these games you allegedly have all the answers for. What happened to you man? I know you LOVE losing more than being a Quinn fag. Got it. Thanks!

- Tom F.

? Aloysius

It's kind of funny that ESPN's got this posted on their NFL page:

Interesting juxtaposition.

Drunkandstoopid

watch the video- one of them picks DA as the starter.

Aloysius said:
It's kind of funny that ESPN's got this posted on their NFL page:

Interesting juxtaposition.

Lumbergh

@drunkandstoopid said:
watch the video-

got a link to the video?

? mz.

@inspecta said:
I think I know what Pitt fans love coming here to debate us, because we are the best of the best, because well....frankly we have a lot of practice on each other.

Look at it this way, if the team was running like the Pats, what would we have to talk about/debate???

PATSPECTA: Randy Moss' awesome!

PUMBERGH: No he isn't, he's superawesome!

PATSPECTA: Not as awesome as Tom Brady!

PUMBERGH: I agree. Let's be friends.

---

Now that's just boring.

kosar_win

@lumbergh said:
got a link to the video?

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4416917

Anchor says DA has emerged as Browns' starting QB

Drunkandstoopid

Zombo said:

So who are the "DA Fags"? Lumbergh and drunknstoopid?

r.

Don't lump me in with lumburgh. I've never predicted a winner of this competition, called Quinn names, or used the word fag to describe his fans. I've held that it's the coach's decision to make, and just as you have, defended DA against posters saying stuff I find rediculous.

osusev

you can lump me in.... I think DA is better personally and have thought BQ was more hype than substance. I dont want BQ to fail because it would hurt my Browns and really dont care who the QB is as long as we win.

Riffer X

Zombo said:
OK ... what you're saying is that I would have more street cred if I bit Lumbergh's head off every now and then?
Zombo

--I don't know if I can do that to myself ... I'm mean Skippy ... er, Rif

I don't mind saying it, kinda like Masters said to me......there is no way I could be Lumfreddy. First off, I can't stand DA enough to pull it off nor do I have the time or smarts to do it. If it's you, we need to find you a second job. I know it's not Skip, he only finds time to attach his lips to your ass and be the poor man's version of Lumquat.

Lums is real folks, I hate to tell ya. There actually is a crazy ass MFer from Oregon that is absolutely in love with a guy who is a certifiable drive killer.

ndneighbor

Zombo said:
OK ... what you're saying is that I would have more street cred if I bit Lumbergh's head off every now and then?
Zombo

--I don't know if I can do that to myself ... I'm mean Skippy ... er, Rif

@riffer-x said:
I don't mind saying it, kinda like Masters said to me......there is no way I could be Lumfreddy. First off, I can't stand DA enough to pull it off nor do I have the time or smarts to do it. If it's you, we need to find you a second job. I know it's not Skip, he only finds time to attach his lips to your ass and be the poor man's version of Lumquat.
Lums is real folks, I hate to tell ya. There actually is a crazy ass MFer from Oregon that is absolutely in love with a guy who is a certifiable drive killer.

It appears that having your chinstrap too tight can have an affect on what you say. Look at the page views.

? mz.

Zombo was Horse Balls (?). Or was Stan? I forget...

He would have had to pull off a sacha Baron Cohenesque feat to be successfully portray that many characters.

Riffer X

mz. said:
Zombo was Horse Balls (?). Or was Stan? I forget...
He would have had to pull off a sacha Baron Cohenesque feat to be successfully portray that many characters.

Lums is sporting right now just from us discussing him. This effer is jacking off in front of the mirror as he posts. He's got Inspecta chasing him around like he's a hybrid da ich/Gillooly on every post he has, and on top of that his lover just had a pretty damn good game yesterday.

I've actually had a few real football convos with Lumwadicus before, and I bet he ain't all that bad a dude. He can talk football when he's not busy being a complete and total jackdick on here. He said he played FB and MLB in HS, which he shared the same HS coach as Derek Bear.

Zombo pulled off Horse Balls barely posting and not even trying to hide it. There is no way anybody could pull off pretending to be that crazy Oregon bastard, it ain't possible.

Shit, Lumsy started flirting with me a little after his man got signed, it was kinda cute but I ain't like that. It was late at night.

? mz.

@riffer-x said:
Lumsy started flirting with me a little after his man got signed, it was kinda cute but I ain't like that. It was late at night.

Good thing you weren't drunk. You could have accidentally conceived a Lum Jr. Just imagine how much that would suck.

Riffer X

mz. said:
Good thing you weren't drunk. You could have accidentally conceived a Lum Jr. Just imagine how much that would suck.

I'm trying to picture the smugness that a little Lums would have. All I can think of is David Spade/Paris Hilton at 18/Micheal J Fox circa Family Ties.....Oh, and with some redneck homophobia incorporated in there.

Don't worry, Spect will get him straightened out.

Flugel

Zombo said:

Oh well ... I'm still friends with Shep and Rif and a lot of the guys ... and Flugel and I will be just fine ...

Zombo

--Brady's a good kid ... I really do root for him too ... I guess when you support two Browns who play the same position you're a pole sitter, or in Flugel's words a "pussy" ....

LOL! We're cool Zombo - always have been. It's training camp so I thought we could both use a little tuneup today. You didn't get much of a fight from Poor Soupdawg last week. Right Soupdawg? Soupdawg? Has anyone seen that poor guy since last weekend?

- Tom F.

cmac12

@flugel said:
No I'm responding to your other personality that thinks he's Dr Detroit with in-depth power analyses on games he never sees.
Quit being a pussy straddling the fence all of a sudden. You know darn well you declared DA was not the answer after you inventoried popular opionion last Fall (immediately following Quinn's 2nd start that produced 30 points). I believe the purpose of your post was to declare "Quinn is the starter period." Ring a bell? Then magically, someone with administrative powers removed such a thread when I archived it 1 time too many this Spring. I'm sure if it ever resurfaces - it'll be all edited so you can maintain your straddle at the top of the fence.

WTF happened to you?

- Tom F.

CLE 14 36 185 0 0 23 4 18 0 12 Those are the stats from the Buffalo game that produced 29 points. A 72 yard run by harrison, 5 FGS by Dawson and a 2 yard run by Josh Cribbs.

1st FG started on the Buffalo 49

2nd FG started on the Buffalo 12

3rd FG started on the Cleveland 37 and got 37 yards of offense then FG

4th FG started on Cleveland 43

5th FG started on Cleveland 33 and got 28 yards of offense before the FG

In 13 possessions the Browns went 3 and out 4 times, had one possession of 4 plays for minus 4 yards and 4 other possessions that produced 37 yards or fewer and of course one that was 2 plays because they were running the clock out. And know that the position that BQ got the Browns into to win the game was a 56 yard FG and if the Bills would have hit a 47 yard FG at the end of the game then the Browns would not have won that game.

I appreciate that you do not think DA is the answer but I don't think I would use the Buffalo game as a example of why BQ should start. If DA had played this game and did what BQ did all you would say is that he had left a ton of points on the board and that Dawson bailed DA out, but because it is BQ you use it as an example of why he should start.

3 - 13 on third down - 4.9 yards per pass - and a Qb rating of 55.9 and Buffalo finished at 7 - 9 (below .500) and the Browns played them when on a downward spiral in the middle of a 2 - 8 finish. I just putting that in there since you like to talk about beating the patsies of the league.

And just for fun, when BQ lead the Browns to the defeat to the Broncos the Broncos were in the middle of a spiral of their own going 4 - 7 the last 11 games and finishing at 8 - 8. The Broncos had the 29th ranked defense, gave up the 26th most yards per game passing and gave up an average QB rating of 98.5. But with that said BQ is not the reason the Browns lost to the Broncos it was the defense falling apart. Though 4th quarter possessions for the Browns, Punt, fumble by Winslow on 3rd and 6, Nice drive for TD (3 short passes taken for good YAC) and then 4 and out on the potential game winning drive.

Nobody should think BQ played poorly against Denver. He didn't, he played really well. But they are a .500 ball club with a horrible defense and when it came to the game winning drive that started on the Cleveland 33 yard line BQ was 1 - 4 for 9 yards. I just am trying to imagine how allot of people would have spun this game if it was DA at the helm. And yes I know that it was BQs first start and I already said he played really well and defense is what lost this game. Just wanted to throw some stats out there to look at.

And just to be fair I believe DAs first start was against Pittsburgh in 2006 which I am pretty sure had a little better defense than the 2008 Broncos. So here are his stats for that game:

CLE 21 37 276 1 1 45 1 4 0 4

And his second start against the Ravens:

CLE 23 32 223 2 2 36

The Browns lost both of those games.

I think that BQ will start this year for Cleveland. I am just trying to put a little perspective on things.