My choice for next Browns Head coach is...
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Marty's coaching record speaks for itself.Team Year Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result CLE 1984 4 4 0 .500 3rd in AFC Central - - - - CLE 1985 8 8 0 .500 1st in AFC Central 0 1 .000 Lost to Miami Dolphins in Divisional Game. CLE 1986 12 4 0 .750 1st in AFC Central 1 1 .500 Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Championship Game. CLE 1987 10 5 0 .667 1st in AFC Central 1 1 .500 Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Championship Game. CLE 1988 10 6 0 .625 2nd in AFC Central 0 1 .000 Lost to Houston Oilers in AFC Wild-Card Game. KC 1989 8 7 1 .533 2nd in AFC West - - - - KC 1990 11 5 0 .688 2nd in AFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to Miami Dolphins in Wild Card Game. KC 1991 10 6 0 .625 2nd in AFC West 1 1 .500 Lost to Buffalo Bills in Divisional Game. KC 1992 10 6 0 .625 2nd in AFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to San Diego Chargers in Wild Card Game. KC 1993 11 5 0 .688 1st in AFC West 2 1 .667 Lost to Buffalo Bills in AFC Championship. KC 1994 9 7 0 .563 2nd in AFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to Miami Dolphins in AFC Wild-Card Game. KC 1995 13 3 0 .813 1st in AFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to Indianapolis Colts in AFC Divisional Game. KC 1996 9 7 0 .563 2st in AFC West - - - - KC 1997 13 3 0 .813 1st in AFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Divisional Game. KC 1998 7 9 0 .438 4th in AFC West - - - - WAS 2001 8 8 0 .500 2nd in NFC East - - - - SD 2002 8 8 0 .500 3rd in AFC West - - - - SD 2003 4 12 0 .250 4thin AFC West - - - - SD 2004 12 4 0 .750 1stin AFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to New York Jets in AFC Wild-Card Game. SD 2005 9 7 0 .563 3rdin AFC West - - - - SD 2006 14 2 0 .875 1stin AFC West 0 1 .000 Lost to New England Patriots in AFC Divisional Game. Total[4] 200 126 1 .613 5 13 .278
I'd be ok with being a contender EVERY YEAR.
If you remember, Cowher had a reputation for losing in the big game as well. He lost a ton of home AFC championship games and home playoff games.
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Honestly, I thought Romeo was kinda yesterday's news. He's about as inspiring as old dough, and I don't care if they're pros... that trickles down.The Steelers hit it out of the park again with a very young, very smart, very intense head coach. I like that route.
And the Ravens got a guy in John Harbaugh who just SEEMS like the guy in charge and the face of the organization.
Does Romeo seem like anybody's idea of the guy in charge?
Never liked it.
I am not sure which route I would like to go...young or established (established I like Art Shell, he is only 60 and if you take away the last years debacle he was 54-38....pretty good with Hostetler at QB and no RB)....but if you want to go new....here is a great article from ESPN on the HOT COACHING PROSPECTS (from last December, but many are still viable):
Ryan brothers among the assistants ready to become head coaches
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By Jeremy Green
Scouts Inc.
(Archive)
Updated: December 14, 2007, 10:47 AM ET
With the resignation of Atlanta head coach Bobby Petrino, the time has come to start talking about NFL assistant coaches who are ready to make the jump to head coach. The recent stints of Nick Saban and Petrino show that college head coaches moving to the NFL isn't always a great fit. Saban and Petrino were too spoiled, couldn't deal with the losses and as soon as things didn't go their way, they turned tail and looked for the next best college job.
This list is a group of guys that have spent time at the NFL level and understand that commitment it takes to build a program and win in the league. It should also be noted that coaches out of the NFL right now such as former Pittsburgh head coach Bill Cowher and San Diego's Marty Schottenheimer are not on the list but their résumés clearly speak for themselves. Obviously, any franchise would be lucky to bring them into their organizations.
1. Rex Ryan
Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator
He has pioneered one of the best defenses in the NFL over the past few years. Injuries have hurt this unit in 2007, but it remains a top 10 defense because of the leadership of Ryan and the respect that every player on that unit has for him as a person and as a coach.
He is now the AHC, so if he could be pulled it would be a coupe!!!
2. Jason Garrett
Dallas Cowboys offensive coordinator
Even though he only has one year as an offensive coordinator in the NFL, he is ready to take the next step. Garrett spent the majority of his career as the No. 3 QB and learned a lot in the process. He has an excellent offensive mind and would be a great fit for a young organization that can be patient and watch him mature into an excellent head coach.
With the current meltdown in Dallas, he is likely to make the jump from AHC to HC in Dallas
3. Josh McDaniels
New England Patriots offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach McDaniels is not talked about very often, but should not be ignored. Belichick gets all the credit for what has become "Patriots football" but look at the success Romeo Crennel is now having and the success Eric Mangini had in 2006. Those guys are solid head coaches because they learned from the best, so there is no reason to think McDaniels will not be successful as well.
No thanks, the genius in NE is Belichick...not any of his castoffs!
4. Clancy Pendergast
Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator
Pendergast does not receive as much attention because the Cardinals have not had a ton of success, but he's done a great job with the defense. He has a "gym rat" mentality when it comes to coaching and no assistant coach watches as much film or does as many weekly and offseason breakdowns as Pendergast. He has a great defensive mind and is a master at adjusting his schemes on a weekly basis.
I like DC's as HC's...and the Cardinals have a tough run D...but it is primarily a 4-3!!! Still, I think with a few additions this team could transfer to a 4-3 nicely.
5. Mike Martz
Detroit Lions offensive coordinator
Unlike the first four guys on this list, he would fall more into the retread category. Say what you want about the guy that has been labeled by some as the "Mad Scientist," but the last time I checked, being a head coach is still about winning and Martz did that consistently in St. Louis and brought a Super Bowl championship to the city. Martz's teams score points and they put people in the seats.
In SF now. Not a big fan of Martz....but imagine what he could do with Quinn!!!
6. Mike Singletary
San Francisco 49ers assistant head coach/defense
He has never been a coordinator or a head coach, but his name is going to come up because as an ex-player who gets a ton of respect from the players that play for him. That's huge because gaining the respect of the players is half the battle in becoming a good NFL head coach and Singletary will have that from Day 1. He is not as polished right now as you may want, but he is still learning and a great fit for an organization that will allow its coach to grow on the go.
Wow....the jury is out, but he sure is making a mess right now!!!
7. Russ Grimm
Arizona Cardinals assistant head coach/offensive line coach
Grimm's name has come up in several places over the past few seasons and will again this year. He is tough, but fair and everywhere he has been, the players had a lot of respect for him. He is not real flashy and might be a step behind some of the guys mentioned ahead of him on this list in the Xs and Os area, but give him two solid coordinators and he will be fine because he is the type of guy that sees the entire big picture. That is more important then trying to be an offensive or defensive genius, as other NFL failures in the past have been labeled.
Right now he is AHC/OLC for Zona...and their offense is kicking it, big time!!!
8. Rob Ryan
Oakland defensive coordinator
Some say the Raiders defense has underachieved at times this season, but how consistent can you be on defense when you get inconsistent performances on offense every single week? Last season, there was a lot of animosity between the offense, defense and some of the coaching staff, but it was Ryan who worked behind the scenes to keep the team together. Some were lobbying for him to get the job this year and he has the coaching pedigree to be successful. The coaches that work for him and the players that play for him swear by him. He deserves an opportunity to take the next step.
Kiffin tried to get rid of him...and their D is terrible...so pass on this one.
9. Jim Haslett
St. Louis Rams defensive coordinator
Like Martz, he would fall into the retread category. Haslett has done a very good job with a Rams defense that is beat up and void of big time playmakers. Haslett made some mistakes as a head coach in New Orleans, but I'm willing to bet he has learned from them and will have more success the second time around.
HC of Rams...he isn't going anywhere!
10. Rob Chudzinski
Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator
You could make a case for him being the assistant coach of the year. In one season he has taken a historically terrible Browns offense and made it one of the best in the NFL. He has been a winner everywhere he has been, whether it was a player or coach at the University of Miami or his stint in San Diego under Schottenheimer. He is young, talented and knows the game. It might be a little early, but his time is coming.
I don't think he is ready. He showed signs...but unless the offense takes off in a big way under Quinn...I don't see him as a real option.
Anyway, interesting options.
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Isn't Martz with SF now?
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That wouldn't go against what I said. I said bad football teams. I agree he turns around underachieving ones.
I don't knock Marty with the old can't win the big one. Just like with Cowher. You get down to that part of the season and anything can happen.
My reasoning for not going for Marty are age and that to me it seems like reaching back into Browns past for glory. Of course if Marty came to CLE again, I'd welcome him w/ open arms. But I like Cowher or Mooch as an option more than Cowher.
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I think the fear on Mooch is the last taste in peoples mouth, his stint in DET.That's probably a lot of it!!
Plus for me, the major problems now with this team are on defense...I guess i'd have to knwo who his DC would be.
Yeah, who he got as a DC would be important (then again same with Marty).
My concern with Mooch would be that he has gotten into power struggles in SF and DET. Then again, both places had idiots running the franchise.
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I think the fear on Mooch is the last taste in peoples mouth, his stint in DET.That's probably a lot of it!!
Plus for me, the major problems now with this team are on defense...I guess i'd have to knwo who his DC would be.
Yeah, who he got as a DC would be important (then again same with Marty).
My concern with Mooch would be that he has gotten into power struggles in SF and DET. Then again, both places had idiots running the franchise.
Good point.
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mooch only won in SF with a team that had already been successful. he's essentially the west coast barry switzer.
not wanting marty is, in some ways, an emotional decision. yes, his teams are competitive, but they're also limited and unimaginative. cowher shed his reputation as a playoff loser. marty's done nothing but reinforce his with the same kind of defensive playcalling that we're all bitching about now.
if we can get cowher, that's fine, but i wouldn't bank on it.
there's no clear-cut great candidate out there. it's up to our owner to find a guy who can run a football team, and randy simply isn't up to that task. the reason the steelers keep finding great coaches is beacuse the rooneys know football. it's their family's heritage.
spags might be a good choice. he's innovative, which is good, and aggressive, which is better. someone else i think might be a good choice is the dolphins' current DC, paul pasqualoni. he's doing well with virtually no talent to speak of and has coached both sides of the ball. he was syracuse's head coach the last time they were good ('91-'04) and developed jason witten into the talent he currently is.
i'd still prefer an unknown who could be great over a someone who's known to be mediocre.
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mooch only won in SF with a team that had already been successful. he's essentially the west coast barry switzer.Actually, Mooch replaced Seifert, who was the west coast Switzer. That dude rode Walshes coat tails and players (see how he did in CAR). SF hasn't sniffed the playoffs since he left either.
I mean Mooch got an average of 5 wins a season out of DET. I don't know how they win 1 game a season the last few years (I know, they managed to get 7 some how last season).
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i'd still prefer an unknown who could be great over a someone who's known to be mediocre.
Palmer, Davis, Crennel.......
what do those names all have in common? they essentially fit the bill of your sentance above.
And those believed to be mediocre at one time - BB and Haslett (the job he did in NO and doing in STL-wow) are two who were considered that after their first stint. Sometimes it just doesn't work the first time for guys. They learn and grow after the fact. Then again, you get guys like Tomlin, Winsenhunt, Mike Smith, and Harbough who had no HC experience that pan out. Picking a NFL coach is like the NFL draft, a lot of times it's a crap shoot.
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I guess for me it comes down to this, and maybe I am different than most fans.I'd rather have the team make the playoffs 6 or 7 out of every 10 seasons, and then suffer a heart breaking loss in the playoffs. Then go through this carosel of getting to the point where you almost make the playoffs, then blow it up and start over being terrible, all on the chance of MAYBE winning the Superbowl once.
And I see going with a new young HC having a bigger chance of setting us backwards then a guy like Marty would.
I have to agree with you here, I am sick of every 4 years starting all over. You will never win doing that. Dont get me wrong when you have the wrong guy like Crennel you have no choice to get rid of them but you dont replace him with an unknown that could be worse. You go out and get a proven guy and get out of this vicious cycle.
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@ JADBF: yes, palmer, davis and romeo were all unknown quantities when they came to cleveland. however, there was no possible way palmer could have won. he was playing with a guaranteed 2-14 team in his two years. had butch davis not been the GM in addition to the HC, he'd still be here. dude was a good coach but a terrible, just effing awful, GM. and romeo is romeo: apathetic and fat.
it just seems we have different philosophies and wants for this team. i'm willing to suffer through more losing in the hope that we find someone great. while an unknown might suck, they might also be brilliant. with marty, we're assured of being mired in mediocrity until we get someone else.
that being said, i forgot about vermeil. of all the retreads, he and cowher are the only two i like. vermeil's players respect him and play their hearts out for him. he, not martz, was the coach that won the super bowl with the rams.
maybe mooch could be good when not clashing with his GM. maybe he, like belichick, just needs someone he can work with. it's possible, i just don't see it.
barring getting vermeil or cowher, i'd prefer someone from off the radar. i don't want a "12-4 but lose to a wild-card team" ceiling. getting to the playoffs is only good when you can actually win once you're there.
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Now that we've (well, most of us) put the QB controversy to rest, it seems like as good a time as any to discuss the replacement for scapegoat #2, Romeo Crennel.My choice would be Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo.
Innovative, fiery, and smart. Three things our current buffoon ain't.
Belichick #2?
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I just don't want any more retreads. Proven losers will be that again.How about someone young and progressive for a change.
Randy Edsall?
Worked under Coughlin and has head coaching experience.
I believe he possess excellent coaching/teaching skills and has a keen sense of spoting players who fit a certain profile.
Don't laugh. This guy could land a big-time coaching job if he choose to. He is loyal to UCONN, I guess. The $1M+ salary per season doesn't hurt either.
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@ JADBF: norv turner was a shitty choice for the chargers. he's proven himself to be a terrible HC but great QB coach and OC. he was a terrible hire and everyone knew it when the chargers made it.
i lived and worked in pittsburgh for two years and it sucked, i agree. however, some of their fans are well-versed football fans. it's the same with any franchise: you have smart fans and idiot homers. the smart ones at least aren't dicks about winning or whiny bitches about losing.
here's the scenario i can see working with marty: he has absolutely nothing to do with the offense at any point on gameday. ever. i'd want an 'aggressiveness coordinator' to make sure the players and coaches never let up or get conservative. only if the team has built-in marty-proofing would i feel good about hiring him.
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I just don't want any more retreads. Proven losers will be that again.How about someone young and progressive for a change.
Randy Edsall?
Worked under Coughlin and has head coaching experience.
I believe he possess excellent coaching/teaching skills and has a keen sense of spoting players who fit a certain profile.
Don't laugh. This guy could land a big-time coaching job if he choose to. He is loyal to UCONN, I guess. The $1M+ salary per season doesn't hurt either.
Not NFL HC experience though.
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@ JADBF: norv turner was a shitty choice for the chargers. he's proven himself to be a terrible HC but great QB coach and OC. he was a terrible hire and everyone knew it when the chargers made it.i lived and worked in pittsburgh for two years and it sucked, i agree. however, some of their fans are well-versed football fans. it's the same with any franchise: you have smart fans and idiot homers. the smart ones at least aren't dicks about winning or whiny bitches about losing.
here's the scenario i can see working with marty: he has absolutely nothing to do with the offense at any point on gameday. ever. i'd want an 'aggressiveness coordinator' to make sure the players and coaches never let up or get conservative. only if the team has built-in marty-proofing would i feel good about hiring him.
About the pitt fans. Actually, I have the utmost respect for the Pittsburgh fans that I work with. Unlike most of the trolls on here, they have a repect for the Browns too and we have good discussions of football. But that doesn't change the fact that I haven't really had anything to brag about since I started here.
and I don't have a problem with that Marty scenario.
Same experience for me with PIT fans. One of my best friends is a Steelers fan, as well as some social friends as well. They are really no different than Browns fans, except they bleed black and gold instead of orange and brown.
When people knock Steelers fans as a whole all I can think is you are talking about the same fans who were as outraged as CLE fans when Model moved the old Browns.
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