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  • Browns are seem to be locked into the 26th Draft position.   When was the last time we drafted that high.  The order behind us could change some depending on outcome of playoff games...but we are at  26. 

    DIVISIONAL ROUND LOSERS
    25 10-6 .625 9.0 .494 Won 1
     
    26 11-5 .688 10.0 .451 Won 1
     
    27 11-5 .688 10.0 .488 Won 4
     
    28 11-5 .688 10.0 .494

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  • Here are 20-32 in the CBS draft prospect list:

    20 Trey Smith Tennessee Sr OL 6 6-6 330    
    21 Travis Etienne Clemson Sr RB 1 5-10 205    
    22 Nick Bolton Missouri Jr LB 2 6-0 232    
    23 Jevon Holland Oregon Jr S 1 6-1 201    
    24 Rashod Bateman Minnesota Jr WR 5 6-2 210    
    25 Mac Jones Alabama Jr QB 5 6-3 214    
    26 Pat Freiermuth Penn St. Jr TE 2 6-5 260    
    27 Christian Barmore Alabama Soph DL 2 6-5 310    
    28 Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Notre Dame Sr LB 3 6-1 215    
    29 Jalen Mayfield Michigan Jr OL 7 6-5 320    
    30 Levi Onwuzurike Washington Sr DL 3 6-3 288    
    31 Patrick Jones II Pittsburgh Sr EDGE 2 6-5 260    
    32 Samuel Cosmi Texas Jr OL 8 6-7 309
  • Best defensive player on the board. Do not care what position, because upgrades are needed across the board. 

  • Best defensive player on the board. Do not care what position, because upgrades are needed across the board. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Best defensive player on the board. Do not care what position, because upgrades are needed across the board. 

    Totally agree, draft should be all defense....outside maybe a backup o lineman.

  • Best defensive player on the board. Do not care what position, because upgrades are needed across the board. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Best defensive player on the board. Do not care what position, because upgrades are needed across the board. 

    Not at DI -- Billings/Richardson/Ogun/Elliot is an upgrade over this season and should be at minimum average, could be a strength.  Billings sat out the season

    Even Edge could be a lot worse -- resign Vernon and gustin/clayborn at 3/4 aren't future stars but will be decent. 

    Focus on back 7, plenty of those to be had.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Best defensive player on the board. Do not care what position, because upgrades are needed across the board. 

    Not at DI -- Billings/Richardson/Ogun/Elliot is an upgrade over this season and should be at minimum average, could be a strength.  Billings sat out the season

    Even Edge could be a lot worse -- resign Vernon and gustin/clayborn at 3/4 aren't future stars but will be decent. 

    Focus on back 7, plenty of those to be had.

    @unsympathetic said:

    Not at DI -- Billings/Richardson/Ogun/Elliot is an upgrade over this season and should be at minimum average, could be a strength.  Billings sat out the season

    Even Edge could be a lot worse -- resign Vernon and gustin/clayborn at 3/4 aren't future stars but will be decent. 

    Focus on back 7, plenty of those to be had.

    Nope, best defensive player on the board. 

    Vernon is 30 and will be coming off a major injury, and he was always an injury waiting to happen before that. Richardson is even older, and Ogunjobi is a free agent. 

    DLine is unlike any other position group, the more starting-caliber players, the better. They move in and out all the time. 

  • @unsympathetic said:

    Not at DI -- Billings/Richardson/Ogun/Elliot is an upgrade over this season and should be at minimum average, could be a strength.  Billings sat out the season

    Even Edge could be a lot worse -- resign Vernon and gustin/clayborn at 3/4 aren't future stars but will be decent. 

    Focus on back 7, plenty of those to be had.

    Nope, best defensive player on the board. 

    Vernon is 30 and will be coming off a major injury, and he was always an injury waiting to happen before that. Richardson is even older, and Ogunjobi is a free agent. 

    DLine is unlike any other position group, the more starting-caliber players, the better. They move in and out all the time. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Nope, best defensive player on the board. 

    Vernon is 30 and will be coming off a major injury, and he was always an injury waiting to happen before that. Richardson is even older, and Ogunjobi is a free agent. 

    DLine is unlike any other position group, the more starting-caliber players, the better. They move in and out all the time. 

    Barmore of Alabama is listed above at  #27.   He would have to be considered. 

  • And if say Devonta Smith is there?

  • And if say Devonta Smith is there?

    @tour2ma said:

    And if say Devonta Smith is there?

    Pass. 

    That little shit is going to get Percy Harvin'd out the NFL.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Nope, best defensive player on the board. 

    Vernon is 30 and will be coming off a major injury, and he was always an injury waiting to happen before that. Richardson is even older, and Ogunjobi is a free agent. 

    DLine is unlike any other position group, the more starting-caliber players, the better. They move in and out all the time. 

    Barmore of Alabama is listed above at  #27.   He would have to be considered. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Barmore of Alabama is listed above at  #27.   He would have to be considered. 

    If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes. 

  • And if say Devonta Smith is there?

    @tour2ma said:

    And if say Devonta Smith is there?

    After the NFL watching Tyree Hill... I think he will be a top fifteen pick.

  • My point is you make a board...

    clusters...

    need as a tie-breaker...

    Yada yada yada...

  • And if say Devonta Smith is there?

    @tour2ma said:

    And if say Devonta Smith is there?

    At  26?  Keep thinking Butch. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Barmore of Alabama is listed above at  #27.   He would have to be considered. 

    If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes. 

    Well....what they are trying to do on defense is to stop the other team from running and putting pressure on the QB.

    Does he fit that at all? 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes. 

    Well....what they are trying to do on defense is to stop the other team from running and putting pressure on the QB.

    Does he fit that at all? 

    @the-gipper said:

    Well....what they are trying to do on defense is to stop the other team from running and putting pressure on the QB.

    Does he fit that at all? 

    I understand you have a really elementary grasp on football.

    So instead of being a smart ass, shut your fucking mouth, actually read things from people smarter than you, and maybe you'll actually know what is going on around here. 

  • My point is you make a board...

    clusters...

    need as a tie-breaker...

    Yada yada yada...

    @tour2ma said:

    My point is you make a board...

    clusters...

    need as a tie-breaker...

    Yada yada yada...

    I am no talent analyst,  I just play one on TV......but  great percentages of  the mock drafts....and databases have him going in the Top 5.    So, if they are right,  I don't think he is going to be in our cluster at  26.   (Its why I only started at the 20 ranked prospects above. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Well....what they are trying to do on defense is to stop the other team from running and putting pressure on the QB.

    Does he fit that at all? 

    I understand you have a really elementary grasp on football.

    So instead of being a smart ass, shut your fucking mouth, actually read things from people smarter than you, and maybe you'll actually know what is going on around here. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I understand you have a really elementary grasp on football.

    So instead of being a smart ass, shut your fucking mouth, actually read things from people smarter than you, and maybe you'll actually know what is going on around here. 

    When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.  

    You can have a seat.  You would not be in the "cluster".  

    I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he  would not "fit" the team's plans. 

    If a player is a beast, he is a beast.    Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere. 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I understand you have a really elementary grasp on football.

    So instead of being a smart ass, shut your fucking mouth, actually read things from people smarter than you, and maybe you'll actually know what is going on around here. 

    When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.  

    You can have a seat.  You would not be in the "cluster".  

    I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he  would not "fit" the team's plans. 

    If a player is a beast, he is a beast.    Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere. 

    @the-gipper said:

    When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.  

    You can have a seat.  You would not be in the "cluster".  

    I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he  would not "fit" the team's plans. 

    If a player is a beast, he is a beast.    Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere. 

    I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore. 

  • My point is you make a board...

    clusters...

    need as a tie-breaker...

    Yada yada yada...

    @tour2ma said:

    My point is you make a board...

    clusters...

    need as a tie-breaker...

    Yada yada yada...

    In this - I agree with Gipper. Smith will be long gone when the Browns are drafting. He won't last outside of the top 10. Walter has him going #3 to the Fish.  

  • @the-gipper said:

    When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.  

    You can have a seat.  You would not be in the "cluster".  

    I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he  would not "fit" the team's plans. 

    If a player is a beast, he is a beast.    Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere. 

    I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore. 

    Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list. 

    Think about it......you have this Barmore guy.  He is 6'5"   315 lbs.   Which makes him a Man Monster.  But not just that.   He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game.  He was  1st team  ALL SEC.  He made some  All American teams.  Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even  because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan?   Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things.  He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old.  I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent.    Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing.  But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"?