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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @unsympathetic said:

    Not at DI -- Billings/Richardson/Ogun/Elliot is an upgrade over this season and should be at minimum average, could be a strength.  Billings sat out the season

    Even Edge could be a lot worse -- resign Vernon and gustin/clayborn at 3/4 aren't future stars but will be decent. 

    Focus on back 7, plenty of those to be had.

    Nope, best defensive player on the board. 

    Vernon is 30 and will be coming off a major injury, and he was always an injury waiting to happen before that. Richardson is even older, and Ogunjobi is a free agent. 

    DLine is unlike any other position group, the more starting-caliber players, the better. They move in and out all the time. 

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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    Nope, best defensive player on the board. 

    Vernon is 30 and will be coming off a major injury, and he was always an injury waiting to happen before that. Richardson is even older, and Ogunjobi is a free agent. 

    DLine is unlike any other position group, the more starting-caliber players, the better. They move in and out all the time. 

    Barmore of Alabama is listed above at  #27.   He would have to be considered. 

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      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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      And if say Devonta Smith is there?

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        And if say Devonta Smith is there?

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        Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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        @tour2ma said:

        And if say Devonta Smith is there?

        Pass. 

        That little shit is going to get Percy Harvin'd out the NFL.

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          @dutch-oven said:

          Nope, best defensive player on the board. 

          Vernon is 30 and will be coming off a major injury, and he was always an injury waiting to happen before that. Richardson is even older, and Ogunjobi is a free agent. 

          DLine is unlike any other position group, the more starting-caliber players, the better. They move in and out all the time. 

          Barmore of Alabama is listed above at  #27.   He would have to be considered. 

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          Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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          @the-gipper said:

          Barmore of Alabama is listed above at  #27.   He would have to be considered. 

          If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes. 

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            And if say Devonta Smith is there?

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            @tour2ma said:

            And if say Devonta Smith is there?

            After the NFL watching Tyree Hill... I think he will be a top fifteen pick.

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              Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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              My point is you make a board...

              clusters...

              need as a tie-breaker...

              Yada yada yada...

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                And if say Devonta Smith is there?

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                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                @tour2ma said:

                And if say Devonta Smith is there?

                At  26?  Keep thinking Butch. 

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                  @the-gipper said:

                  Barmore of Alabama is listed above at  #27.   He would have to be considered. 

                  If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes. 

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                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                  @dutch-oven said:

                  If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes. 

                  Well....what they are trying to do on defense is to stop the other team from running and putting pressure on the QB.

                  Does he fit that at all? 

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                    @dutch-oven said:

                    If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes. 

                    Well....what they are trying to do on defense is to stop the other team from running and putting pressure on the QB.

                    Does he fit that at all? 

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                    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                    @the-gipper said:

                    Well....what they are trying to do on defense is to stop the other team from running and putting pressure on the QB.

                    Does he fit that at all? 

                    I understand you have a really elementary grasp on football.

                    So instead of being a smart ass, shut your fucking mouth, actually read things from people smarter than you, and maybe you'll actually know what is going on around here. 

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                      My point is you make a board...

                      clusters...

                      need as a tie-breaker...

                      Yada yada yada...

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                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                      @tour2ma said:

                      My point is you make a board...

                      clusters...

                      need as a tie-breaker...

                      Yada yada yada...

                      I am no talent analyst,  I just play one on TV......but  great percentages of  the mock drafts....and databases have him going in the Top 5.    So, if they are right,  I don't think he is going to be in our cluster at  26.   (Its why I only started at the 20 ranked prospects above. 

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                        @the-gipper said:

                        Well....what they are trying to do on defense is to stop the other team from running and putting pressure on the QB.

                        Does he fit that at all? 

                        I understand you have a really elementary grasp on football.

                        So instead of being a smart ass, shut your fucking mouth, actually read things from people smarter than you, and maybe you'll actually know what is going on around here. 

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                        The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                        @dutch-oven said:

                        I understand you have a really elementary grasp on football.

                        So instead of being a smart ass, shut your fucking mouth, actually read things from people smarter than you, and maybe you'll actually know what is going on around here. 

                        When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.  

                        You can have a seat.  You would not be in the "cluster".  

                        I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he  would not "fit" the team's plans. 

                        If a player is a beast, he is a beast.    Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere. 

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                          @dutch-oven said:

                          I understand you have a really elementary grasp on football.

                          So instead of being a smart ass, shut your fucking mouth, actually read things from people smarter than you, and maybe you'll actually know what is going on around here. 

                          When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.  

                          You can have a seat.  You would not be in the "cluster".  

                          I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he  would not "fit" the team's plans. 

                          If a player is a beast, he is a beast.    Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere. 

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                          Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                          @the-gipper said:

                          When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.  

                          You can have a seat.  You would not be in the "cluster".  

                          I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he  would not "fit" the team's plans. 

                          If a player is a beast, he is a beast.    Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere. 

                          I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore. 

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                            My point is you make a board...

                            clusters...

                            need as a tie-breaker...

                            Yada yada yada...

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                            @tour2ma said:

                            My point is you make a board...

                            clusters...

                            need as a tie-breaker...

                            Yada yada yada...

                            In this - I agree with Gipper. Smith will be long gone when the Browns are drafting. He won't last outside of the top 10. Walter has him going #3 to the Fish.  

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                              @the-gipper said:

                              When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.  

                              You can have a seat.  You would not be in the "cluster".  

                              I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he  would not "fit" the team's plans. 

                              If a player is a beast, he is a beast.    Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere. 

                              I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore. 

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                              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                              @dutch-oven said:

                              I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore. 

                              Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list. 

                              Think about it......you have this Barmore guy.  He is 6'5"   315 lbs.   Which makes him a Man Monster.  But not just that.   He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game.  He was  1st team  ALL SEC.  He made some  All American teams.  Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even  because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan?   Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things.  He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old.  I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent.    Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing.  But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"? 

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                                @dutch-oven said:

                                I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore. 

                                Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list. 

                                Think about it......you have this Barmore guy.  He is 6'5"   315 lbs.   Which makes him a Man Monster.  But not just that.   He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game.  He was  1st team  ALL SEC.  He made some  All American teams.  Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even  because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan?   Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things.  He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old.  I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent.    Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing.  But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"? 

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                                Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                                @the-gipper said:

                                Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list. 

                                Think about it......you have this Barmore guy.  He is 6'5"   315 lbs.   Which makes him a Man Monster.  But not just that.   He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game.  He was  1st team  ALL SEC.  He made some  All American teams.  Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even  because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan?   Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things.  He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old.  I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent.    Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing.  But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"? 

                                Congratulations, you're my first ignore. 

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list. 

                                  Think about it......you have this Barmore guy.  He is 6'5"   315 lbs.   Which makes him a Man Monster.  But not just that.   He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game.  He was  1st team  ALL SEC.  He made some  All American teams.  Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even  because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan?   Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things.  He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old.  I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent.    Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing.  But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"? 

                                  Congratulations, you're my first ignore. 

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                                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                  @dutch-oven said:

                                  Congratulations, you're my first ignore. 

                                  Yep.  See there.....a logical and reasonable football conversation you cannot handle apparently.    You were not even capable of explaining why you think that a guy like that would not fucking "fit".   

                                  Is there anyone with half a brain out there that agrees that a guy like this Barmore   could be totally crossed off the Browns consideration list because he does not "fit".....and explain why? 

                                  I mean....maybe he played in a 4-3 in college and a pro team runs a 3-4.   Maybe they are looking for a 3-4 nose guard.   I don't see why a guy like this could not play a 3-4  NT but not a 4-3 DT.....or vice versa.   6'5"  315.  All American.  Won't even consider him?     Since when does talent not count for anything?   (assuming he has that in spades) 

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                                    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                                    When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.  - The Gipper

                                    How about someone more knowledgeable than you? Plenty of those around...

                                    Or is "smarter at" a legal thing? Oh that's right, you couldn't tell me if it was... might be too close to "advice".

                                    I'd call you a Class A Asshole, but you have no class.

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                                      @the-gipper said:

                                      Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list. 

                                      Think about it......you have this Barmore guy.  He is 6'5"   315 lbs.   Which makes him a Man Monster.  But not just that.   He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game.  He was  1st team  ALL SEC.  He made some  All American teams.  Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even  because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan?   Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things.  He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old.  I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent.    Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing.  But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"? 

                                      Congratulations, you're my first ignore. 

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                                      @dutch-oven said:

                                      Congratulations, you're my first ignore. 

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                                        @dutch-oven said:

                                        I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore. 

                                        Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list. 

                                        Think about it......you have this Barmore guy.  He is 6'5"   315 lbs.   Which makes him a Man Monster.  But not just that.   He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game.  He was  1st team  ALL SEC.  He made some  All American teams.  Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even  because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan?   Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things.  He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old.  I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent.    Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing.  But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"? 

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                                        @the-gipper said:

                                        Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list. 

                                        Think about it......you have this Barmore guy.  He is 6'5"   315 lbs.   Which makes him a Man Monster.  But not just that.   He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game.  He was  1st team  ALL SEC.  He made some  All American teams.  Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even  because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan?   Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things.  He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old.  I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent.    Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing.  But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"? 

                                        Pretty sure he was talking about Smith, not Barmore

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                                          Tampa Bay can't be 27 ahead of 28 Ravens unless that was traded into from another team. They are still in it and the Ravens are done, so they move further down in the draft.

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