Here is where we are now.
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I understand you have a really elementary grasp on football.
So instead of being a smart ass, shut your fucking mouth, actually read things from people smarter than you, and maybe you'll actually know what is going on around here.
When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.
You can have a seat. You would not be in the "cluster".
I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he would not "fit" the team's plans.
If a player is a beast, he is a beast. Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere.
When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.
You can have a seat. You would not be in the "cluster".
I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he would not "fit" the team's plans.
If a player is a beast, he is a beast. Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere.
I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore.
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When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen.
You can have a seat. You would not be in the "cluster".
I mean, you seem to be acting like you would not have chosen LeBron James if for some reason you thought that he would not "fit" the team's plans.
If a player is a beast, he is a beast. Maybe this guy is a beast, and maybe he ain't.....but if he is....if he can beast, he can beast anywhere.
I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore.
I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore.
Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list.
Think about it......you have this Barmore guy. He is 6'5" 315 lbs. Which makes him a Man Monster. But not just that. He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game. He was 1st team ALL SEC. He made some All American teams. Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan? Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things. He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old. I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent. Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing. But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"?
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I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore.
Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list.
Think about it......you have this Barmore guy. He is 6'5" 315 lbs. Which makes him a Man Monster. But not just that. He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game. He was 1st team ALL SEC. He made some All American teams. Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan? Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things. He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old. I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent. Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing. But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"?
Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list.
Think about it......you have this Barmore guy. He is 6'5" 315 lbs. Which makes him a Man Monster. But not just that. He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game. He was 1st team ALL SEC. He made some All American teams. Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan? Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things. He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old. I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent. Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing. But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"?
Congratulations, you're my first ignore.
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Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list.
Think about it......you have this Barmore guy. He is 6'5" 315 lbs. Which makes him a Man Monster. But not just that. He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game. He was 1st team ALL SEC. He made some All American teams. Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan? Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things. He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old. I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent. Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing. But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"?
Congratulations, you're my first ignore.
Congratulations, you're my first ignore.
Yep. See there.....a logical and reasonable football conversation you cannot handle apparently. You were not even capable of explaining why you think that a guy like that would not fucking "fit".
Is there anyone with half a brain out there that agrees that a guy like this Barmore could be totally crossed off the Browns consideration list because he does not "fit".....and explain why?
I mean....maybe he played in a 4-3 in college and a pro team runs a 3-4. Maybe they are looking for a 3-4 nose guard. I don't see why a guy like this could not play a 3-4 NT but not a 4-3 DT.....or vice versa. 6'5" 315. All American. Won't even consider him? Since when does talent not count for anything? (assuming he has that in spades)
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When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen. - The Gipper
How about someone more knowledgeable than you? Plenty of those around...
Or is "smarter at" a legal thing? Oh that's right, you couldn't tell me if it was... might be too close to "advice".
I'd call you a Class A Asshole, but you have no class.
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Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list.
Think about it......you have this Barmore guy. He is 6'5" 315 lbs. Which makes him a Man Monster. But not just that. He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game. He was 1st team ALL SEC. He made some All American teams. Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan? Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things. He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old. I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent. Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing. But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"?
Congratulations, you're my first ignore.
Congratulations, you're my first ignore.
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I seriously might put my first person ever on ignore.
Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list.
Think about it......you have this Barmore guy. He is 6'5" 315 lbs. Which makes him a Man Monster. But not just that. He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game. He was 1st team ALL SEC. He made some All American teams. Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan? Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things. He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old. I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent. Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing. But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"?
Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list.
Think about it......you have this Barmore guy. He is 6'5" 315 lbs. Which makes him a Man Monster. But not just that. He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game. He was 1st team ALL SEC. He made some All American teams. Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan? Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things. He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old. I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent. Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing. But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"?
Pretty sure he was talking about Smith, not Barmore
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Tampa Bay can't be 27 ahead of 28 Ravens unless that was traded into from another team. They are still in it and the Ravens are done, so they move further down in the draft.
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Best defensive player on the board. Do not care what position, because upgrades are needed across the board.
Totally agree, draft should be all defense....outside maybe a backup o lineman.
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Best defensive player on the board. Do not care what position, because upgrades are needed across the board.
Not at DI -- Billings/Richardson/Ogun/Elliot is an upgrade over this season and should be at minimum average, could be a strength. Billings sat out the season
Even Edge could be a lot worse -- resign Vernon and gustin/clayborn at 3/4 aren't future stars but will be decent.
Focus on back 7, plenty of those to be had.
Not at DI -- Billings/Richardson/Ogun/Elliot is an upgrade over this season and should be at minimum average, could be a strength. Billings sat out the season
Even Edge could be a lot worse -- resign Vernon and gustin/clayborn at 3/4 aren't future stars but will be decent.
Focus on back 7, plenty of those to be had.
I think O-gun is replaceable. He has leveled off after a promising rookie season. One guy you didn't mention that has shown promise is Taylor, at least in tipping passes. Not sure what kind of run stop grades he is getting.
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When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen. - The Gipper
How about someone more knowledgeable than you? Plenty of those around...
Or is "smarter at" a legal thing? Oh that's right, you couldn't tell me if it was... might be too close to "advice".
I'd call you a Class A Asshole, but you have no class.
When I find someone who is smarter at football than me.....I will listen. - The Gipper
How about someone more knowledgeable than you? Plenty of those around...
Or is "smarter at" a legal thing? Oh that's right, you couldn't tell me if it was... might be too close to "advice".
I'd call you a Class A Asshole, but you have no class.
Better a Class A Asshole than a Class A Kunthole, which is what YOU are.
And I have always acknowledged that a number of you probably know more about talent evaluation than I.....because you study it, and it bores me somewhat...and what I do is go by what better experts than any of you on here say.
I also note that you gave not one word to the issue: Why would a man beast like Barmore be completely discounted by some team because he may not be a "fit"? My response is that if you do that....then I believe it shows a complete lack on knowledge.
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Well...you are now already on my "ignorant" list.
Think about it......you have this Barmore guy. He is 6'5" 315 lbs. Which makes him a Man Monster. But not just that. He was the defensive MVP of the National Championship game. He was 1st team ALL SEC. He made some All American teams. Yet you say that you would cross him off your list for consideration even because he may not "fit" some preconceived plan? Do you think he is a robot, only programmed to do certain things. He is a scentient human being. He is only like 20 years old. I think he may be adaptable to various system some DCs may want to run if he has all that raw natural talent. Now, if he does not have it...that is another thing. But how can one legitimately just cross him off because of some claim of "lack of fit"?
Pretty sure he was talking about Smith, not Barmore
Pretty sure he was talking about Smith, not Barmore
I was talking about Barmore. He responded directly to my comment about Barmore. Here is his statement: If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes.
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Not at DI -- Billings/Richardson/Ogun/Elliot is an upgrade over this season and should be at minimum average, could be a strength. Billings sat out the season
Even Edge could be a lot worse -- resign Vernon and gustin/clayborn at 3/4 aren't future stars but will be decent.
Focus on back 7, plenty of those to be had.
I think O-gun is replaceable. He has leveled off after a promising rookie season. One guy you didn't mention that has shown promise is Taylor, at least in tipping passes. Not sure what kind of run stop grades he is getting.
I think O-gun is replaceable. He has leveled off after a promising rookie season. One guy you didn't mention that has shown promise is Taylor, at least in tipping passes. Not sure what kind of run stop grades he is getting.
Yeah I think I am done with Ogunjobi, I was disappointed in his play this year and I think upgrading the interior of the D line needs to be done.
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I think O-gun is replaceable. He has leveled off after a promising rookie season. One guy you didn't mention that has shown promise is Taylor, at least in tipping passes. Not sure what kind of run stop grades he is getting.
Yeah I think I am done with Ogunjobi, I was disappointed in his play this year and I think upgrading the interior of the D line needs to be done.
Yeah I think I am done with Ogunjobi, I was disappointed in his play this year and I think upgrading the interior of the D line needs to be done.
Can you think of a guy we may consider to do that?
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I was talking about Barmore. He responded directly to my comment about Barmore. Here is his statement: If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes.
Well you were talking about both.
If Barmore is there, depending on fit (i.e. what have coming back, FA, etc.) Then I certainly would look. But I think that DL was the least of Browns worries on D this year.
I don't see Smith being the next Harvin, but just say Smith is "ranked" 5th and is somehow still available. I don't think he fits the NEED for Browns.
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I was talking about Barmore. He responded directly to my comment about Barmore. Here is his statement: If he fits what the Browns are trying to do on defense, yes.
Well you were talking about both.
If Barmore is there, depending on fit (i.e. what have coming back, FA, etc.) Then I certainly would look. But I think that DL was the least of Browns worries on D this year.
I don't see Smith being the next Harvin, but just say Smith is "ranked" 5th and is somehow still available. I don't think he fits the NEED for Browns.
Well you were talking about both.
If Barmore is there, depending on fit (i.e. what have coming back, FA, etc.) Then I certainly would look. But I think that DL was the least of Browns worries on D this year.
I don't see Smith being the next Harvin, but just say Smith is "ranked" 5th and is somehow still available. I don't think he fits the NEED for Browns.
OK, now, about this "fit".... Y'all seem to be using that term in different contexts. You seem to be saying that "fit" means if we are loaded at a position....say DT, then drafting another DT would not be the most prudent move for the team....given other needs. That I get. But I didn't take it that that is what Dutch was talking about (though, actually, he didn't explain anything about what he was talking about, he just went all PMS). The other "fit" is that supposedly a guy is not the right kind of player for some certain designated scheme that a team wants to run defensively; because he played in a 4-3 rather than a 3-4....or because he is used to playing upright rather than putting his hand on the ground. My contention being that talent supercedes all that. If you can get a guy that can tackle like hell, or rush the passer like hell....you get him if you need him notwithstanding what "system" you may think he is suited for.....and, again, my contention being that you suit your system to your talent...or, especially with like a 20 year old talent like Barmore, you coach him up and have him adapt.
Doesn't that seem fair?
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Well you were talking about both.
If Barmore is there, depending on fit (i.e. what have coming back, FA, etc.) Then I certainly would look. But I think that DL was the least of Browns worries on D this year.
I don't see Smith being the next Harvin, but just say Smith is "ranked" 5th and is somehow still available. I don't think he fits the NEED for Browns.
OK, now, about this "fit".... Y'all seem to be using that term in different contexts. You seem to be saying that "fit" means if we are loaded at a position....say DT, then drafting another DT would not be the most prudent move for the team....given other needs. That I get. But I didn't take it that that is what Dutch was talking about (though, actually, he didn't explain anything about what he was talking about, he just went all PMS). The other "fit" is that supposedly a guy is not the right kind of player for some certain designated scheme that a team wants to run defensively; because he played in a 4-3 rather than a 3-4....or because he is used to playing upright rather than putting his hand on the ground. My contention being that talent supercedes all that. If you can get a guy that can tackle like hell, or rush the passer like hell....you get him if you need him notwithstanding what "system" you may think he is suited for.....and, again, my contention being that you suit your system to your talent...or, especially with like a 20 year old talent like Barmore, you coach him up and have him adapt.
Doesn't that seem fair?
OK, now, about this "fit".... Y'all seem to be using that term in different contexts. You seem to be saying that "fit" means if we are loaded at a position....say DT, then drafting another DT would not be the most prudent move for the team....given other needs. That I get. But I didn't take it that that is what Dutch was talking about (though, actually, he didn't explain anything about what he was talking about, he just went all PMS). The other "fit" is that supposedly a guy is not the right kind of player for some certain designated scheme that a team wants to run defensively; because he played in a 4-3 rather than a 3-4....or because he is used to playing upright rather than putting his hand on the ground. My contention being that talent supercedes all that. If you can get a guy that can tackle like hell, or rush the passer like hell....you get him if you need him notwithstanding what "system" you may think he is suited for.....and, again, my contention being that you suit your system to your talent...or, especially with like a 20 year old talent like Barmore, you coach him up and have him adapt.
Doesn't that seem fair?
Of course. And I don't know what he was meaning?
All I was saying is that from what I read, I guess I assumed that he was talking about Smith not Barmore, since you had talked about both in the thread.
Barmore certainly would be on my board. Smith would be too, but if there is someone comparable to his grade on the defensive side (even if you believe Smith will be better) you want to look at need
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