JJ Watt to Cardinals
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JJ played 16 games 7 of his 10 season, including this year.
It's his work on the edge against the run along with a possible pitch count that intrigue me.
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Pittsburgh cannot be signing anyone like JJ Watt. Hell, they are so far over the cap they may have to get rid of TJ Watt! Well....not really. He is the last guy they would trade. They would dump BR first along with half their OL and DB.
As I see it....only maybe 3 players from that team will be impervious from salary cap cuts: TJ Watt; Claypool; Minkah. ...and maybe Heyward. maybe DeCastro.
They did just sign Haskins. Maybe he could replace.................. LMAO
I couldn’t even finish the sentence
They did just sign Haskins. Maybe he could replace.................. LMAO
I couldn’t even finish the sentence
For a "futures" contract....which means like -0- money.
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I'd give pick 4B .
Adding him on a 1 year lease on a team that's only a player or two from serious contention sure seems fun.
And yeah here his pitch count would fall more in favor of his age.
Im also all about keeping Vernon.
I mean next year im assuming we get delprit and greedy back on the back end.
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Rumors about Houston tearing the roster down to rebuild.
If watt hits the trading block?
What would you trade for him?
I don't know how much he's got left. Plus, he makes around $16 million a year. I don't think he'd fit the analytics but what do I know?
My hunch is he'll try to get with his brothers in Pittsburgh.
I don't know how much he's got left. Plus, he makes around $16 million a year. I don't think he'd fit the analytics but what do I know?
My hunch is he'll try to get with his brothers in Pittsburgh.
Nailed it... and I'm not saying that just because I've posted the same here and there...
Mostly because, but not just because...
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I don't know how much he's got left. Plus, he makes around $16 million a year. I don't think he'd fit the analytics but what do I know?
My hunch is he'll try to get with his brothers in Pittsburgh.
Nailed it... and I'm not saying that just because I've posted the same here and there...
Mostly because, but not just because...
Nailed it... and I'm not saying that just because I've posted the same here and there...
Mostly because, but not just because...
Haha...I must have missed your post(s) on JJ Watt....
The D line is definitely important, and all teams including the Browns are always looking to improve. If the Browns are to upgrade their D with trades or FA acquisitions, I'd think most of us agree they'd look at the LB spots or secondary as priorities right now over the D line.
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I don't know how much he's got left. Plus, he makes around $16 million a year. I don't think he'd fit the analytics but what do I know?
My hunch is he'll try to get with his brothers in Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh cannot be signing anyone like JJ Watt. Hell, they are so far over the cap they may have to get rid of TJ Watt! Well....not really. He is the last guy they would trade. They would dump BR first along with half their OL and DB.
As I see it....only maybe 3 players from that team will be impervious from salary cap cuts: TJ Watt; Claypool; Minkah. ...and maybe Heyward. maybe DeCastro.
Pittsburgh cannot be signing anyone like JJ Watt. Hell, they are so far over the cap they may have to get rid of TJ Watt! Well....not really. He is the last guy they would trade. They would dump BR first along with half their OL and DB.
As I see it....only maybe 3 players from that team will be impervious from salary cap cuts: TJ Watt; Claypool; Minkah. ...and maybe Heyward. maybe DeCastro.
Never thought of that, meaning the Steelers & the cap. So yeah, Pittsburgh sounds like they are heading to cap hell.
During many NFL broadcasts they kept mentioning how the cap will go down. I'm just wondering if the league & union are able to open up talks about that. The uncertainty of the pandemic probably means management wouldn't be willing to, with the possibility of no fans again.
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Pittsburgh cannot be signing anyone like JJ Watt. Hell, they are so far over the cap they may have to get rid of TJ Watt! Well....not really. He is the last guy they would trade. They would dump BR first along with half their OL and DB.
As I see it....only maybe 3 players from that team will be impervious from salary cap cuts: TJ Watt; Claypool; Minkah. ...and maybe Heyward. maybe DeCastro.
Never thought of that, meaning the Steelers & the cap. So yeah, Pittsburgh sounds like they are heading to cap hell.
During many NFL broadcasts they kept mentioning how the cap will go down. I'm just wondering if the league & union are able to open up talks about that. The uncertainty of the pandemic probably means management wouldn't be willing to, with the possibility of no fans again.
Never thought of that, meaning the Steelers & the cap. So yeah, Pittsburgh sounds like they are heading to cap hell.
During many NFL broadcasts they kept mentioning how the cap will go down. I'm just wondering if the league & union are able to open up talks about that. The uncertainty of the pandemic probably means management wouldn't be willing to, with the possibility of no fans again.
I don’t think the cap is going down, I think it’s going to hover around 200. The Steelers will likely use qualifying contracts which are voidable. I expect Ben to take a pay cut. Definitely going to lose some players. The Steelers also don’t need jj watt but don’t be shocked if he takes a massive discount to play with his brothers. He’s made his money. I don’t think he really cares about it to that degree anymore and as a likable guy I won’t be shocked to see him transition to broadcasting or just go hard on post retirement endorsements like brett Favre.
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Never thought of that, meaning the Steelers & the cap. So yeah, Pittsburgh sounds like they are heading to cap hell.
During many NFL broadcasts they kept mentioning how the cap will go down. I'm just wondering if the league & union are able to open up talks about that. The uncertainty of the pandemic probably means management wouldn't be willing to, with the possibility of no fans again.
I don’t think the cap is going down, I think it’s going to hover around 200. The Steelers will likely use qualifying contracts which are voidable. I expect Ben to take a pay cut. Definitely going to lose some players. The Steelers also don’t need jj watt but don’t be shocked if he takes a massive discount to play with his brothers. He’s made his money. I don’t think he really cares about it to that degree anymore and as a likable guy I won’t be shocked to see him transition to broadcasting or just go hard on post retirement endorsements like brett Favre.
I don’t think the cap is going down, I think it’s going to hover around 200. The Steelers will likely use qualifying contracts which are voidable. I expect Ben to take a pay cut. Definitely going to lose some players. The Steelers also don’t need jj watt but don’t be shocked if he takes a massive discount to play with his brothers. He’s made his money. I don’t think he really cares about it to that degree anymore and as a likable guy I won’t be shocked to see him transition to broadcasting or just go hard on post retirement endorsements like brett Favre.
So? He has more than one brother playing for the Steelers? He may take a big cut to do that....but, I hear that the Steelers may have to completely gut that team. I don't know....he may like his brothers...and they will always be his brothers....but I doubt he will want to play for next to nothing.
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I don’t think the cap is going down, I think it’s going to hover around 200. The Steelers will likely use qualifying contracts which are voidable. I expect Ben to take a pay cut. Definitely going to lose some players. The Steelers also don’t need jj watt but don’t be shocked if he takes a massive discount to play with his brothers. He’s made his money. I don’t think he really cares about it to that degree anymore and as a likable guy I won’t be shocked to see him transition to broadcasting or just go hard on post retirement endorsements like brett Favre.
So? He has more than one brother playing for the Steelers? He may take a big cut to do that....but, I hear that the Steelers may have to completely gut that team. I don't know....he may like his brothers...and they will always be his brothers....but I doubt he will want to play for next to nothing.
So? He has more than one brother playing for the Steelers? He may take a big cut to do that....but, I hear that the Steelers may have to completely gut that team. I don't know....he may like his brothers...and they will always be his brothers....but I doubt he will want to play for next to nothing.
Depends on whether other offers are any better. Recent injury history and aftereffects seems like a big red flag unless you need him one year only. Even then he might take far less per year for a multi-year contract.
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JJ was very good last season, only a couple points lower than someone named Garrett. Higher than Vernon, higher than Clowney.
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Love JJ.... at one time there was no more dominant Defensive force in the game. He did things I never saw before, but...
... he's a 10-yr vet on the downside of his career who in 2020 managed to have his second healthy season in his last five. And it paled in comparison to his 2018 comeback year... when he played opposite Clowney.
Now maybe that's an argument for moving heaven and earth to line him opposite MG, but first you have to trade for him (apparently he does not have a "no-trade" clause). And then you are getting him on a one-year deal for a mere $17.5mm.
If he signs with a team at a discount, they'll get real value... even at say $10mm/yr. But the list of teams for whom he might be willing to do that is a list of one... and it ain't us.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Never thought of that, meaning the Steelers & the cap. So yeah, Pittsburgh sounds like they are heading to cap hell.
During many NFL broadcasts they kept mentioning how the cap will go down. I'm just wondering if the league & union are able to open up talks about that. The uncertainty of the pandemic probably means management wouldn't be willing to, with the possibility of no fans again.
I don’t think the cap is going down, I think it’s going to hover around 200. The Steelers will likely use qualifying contracts which are voidable. I expect Ben to take a pay cut. Definitely going to lose some players. The Steelers also don’t need jj watt but don’t be shocked if he takes a massive discount to play with his brothers. He’s made his money. I don’t think he really cares about it to that degree anymore and as a likable guy I won’t be shocked to see him transition to broadcasting or just go hard on post retirement endorsements like brett Favre.
I don’t think the cap is going down, I think it’s going to hover around 200. The Steelers will likely use qualifying contracts which are voidable. I expect Ben to take a pay cut. Definitely going to lose some players. The Steelers also don’t need jj watt but don’t be shocked if he takes a massive discount to play with his brothers. He’s made his money. I don’t think he really cares about it to that degree anymore and as a likable guy I won’t be shocked to see him transition to broadcasting or just go hard on post retirement endorsements like brett Favre.
I read somewhere the cap was heading to around $175 million in 2021, down from the present $198 million. If I find it, I'll post it (CBS sports I think).
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Love JJ.... at one time there was no more dominant Defensive force in the game. He did things I never saw before, but...
... he's a 10-yr vet on the downside of his career who in 2020 managed to have his second healthy season in his last five. And it paled in comparison to his 2018 comeback year... when he played opposite Clowney.
Now maybe that's an argument for moving heaven and earth to line him opposite MG, but first you have to trade for him (apparently he does not have a "no-trade" clause). And then you are getting him on a one-year deal for a mere $17.5mm.
If he signs with a team at a discount, they'll get real value... even at say $10mm/yr. But the list of teams for whom he might be willing to do that is a list of one... and it ain't us.
Love JJ.... at one time there was no more dominant Defensive force in the game. He did things I never saw before, but...
... he's a 10-yr vet on the downside of his career who in 2020 managed to have his second healthy season in his last five. And it paled in comparison to his 2018 comeback year... when he played opposite Clowney.
Now maybe that's an argument for moving heaven and earth to line him opposite MG, but first you have to trade for him (apparently he does not have a "no-trade" clause). And then you are getting him on a one-year deal for a mere $17.5mm.
If he signs with a team at a discount, they'll get real value... even at say $10mm/yr. But the list of teams for whom he might be willing to do that is a list of one... and it ain't us.
Why do you say not us?
Have we removed the stigma?
Is playing alongside Myles not enticing?
He grew up in the Midwest and his Brothers would be 2 hours away in Pitt. It’s short term too if he doesn’t like it- he can say Bye
17M is a lot but our short term cap number is not the issue (unlike most teams). 22/23/24 we start getting into Myles big number, Baker, etc. Watt will be coaching Dline for Wisconsin then
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I don’t think the cap is going down, I think it’s going to hover around 200. The Steelers will likely use qualifying contracts which are voidable. I expect Ben to take a pay cut. Definitely going to lose some players. The Steelers also don’t need jj watt but don’t be shocked if he takes a massive discount to play with his brothers. He’s made his money. I don’t think he really cares about it to that degree anymore and as a likable guy I won’t be shocked to see him transition to broadcasting or just go hard on post retirement endorsements like brett Favre.
I read somewhere the cap was heading to around $175 million in 2021, down from the present $198 million. If I find it, I'll post it (CBS sports I think).
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Love JJ.... at one time there was no more dominant Defensive force in the game. He did things I never saw before, but...
... he's a 10-yr vet on the downside of his career who in 2020 managed to have his second healthy season in his last five. And it paled in comparison to his 2018 comeback year... when he played opposite Clowney.
Now maybe that's an argument for moving heaven and earth to line him opposite MG, but first you have to trade for him (apparently he does not have a "no-trade" clause). And then you are getting him on a one-year deal for a mere $17.5mm.
If he signs with a team at a discount, they'll get real value... even at say $10mm/yr. But the list of teams for whom he might be willing to do that is a list of one... and it ain't us.
Why do you say not us?
Have we removed the stigma?
Is playing alongside Myles not enticing?
He grew up in the Midwest and his Brothers would be 2 hours away in Pitt. It’s short term too if he doesn’t like it- he can say Bye
17M is a lot but our short term cap number is not the issue (unlike most teams). 22/23/24 we start getting into Myles big number, Baker, etc. Watt will be coaching Dline for Wisconsin then
Why do you say not us?
Have we removed the stigma?
Is playing alongside Myles not enticing?
He grew up in the Midwest and his Brothers would be 2 hours away in Pitt. It’s short term too if he doesn’t like it- he can say Bye
17M is a lot but our short term cap number is not the issue (unlike most teams). 22/23/24 we start getting into Myles big number, Baker, etc. Watt will be coaching Dline for Wisconsin then
He's meaning team that he would be willing to take a massive pay cut to play for.
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Why do you say not us?
Have we removed the stigma?
Is playing alongside Myles not enticing?
He grew up in the Midwest and his Brothers would be 2 hours away in Pitt. It’s short term too if he doesn’t like it- he can say Bye
17M is a lot but our short term cap number is not the issue (unlike most teams). 22/23/24 we start getting into Myles big number, Baker, etc. Watt will be coaching Dline for Wisconsin then
He's meaning team that he would be willing to take a massive pay cut to play for.
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Pittsburgh cannot be signing anyone like JJ Watt. Hell, they are so far over the cap they may have to get rid of TJ Watt! Well....not really. He is the last guy they would trade. They would dump BR first along with half their OL and DB.
As I see it....only maybe 3 players from that team will be impervious from salary cap cuts: TJ Watt; Claypool; Minkah. ...and maybe Heyward. maybe DeCastro.
Never thought of that, meaning the Steelers & the cap. So yeah, Pittsburgh sounds like they are heading to cap hell.
During many NFL broadcasts they kept mentioning how the cap will go down. I'm just wondering if the league & union are able to open up talks about that. The uncertainty of the pandemic probably means management wouldn't be willing to, with the possibility of no fans again.
Never thought of that, meaning the Steelers & the cap. So yeah, Pittsburgh sounds like they are heading to cap hell.
During many NFL broadcasts they kept mentioning how the cap will go down. I'm just wondering if the league & union are able to open up talks about that. The uncertainty of the pandemic probably means management wouldn't be willing to, with the possibility of no fans again.
Vance McDonald retiring has freed up 15M with the increase in cap slightly and his numbers off the books and they steelers didn't have to do anything. We are definitely going to lose some guys but we aren't in as much hell now.
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Never thought of that, meaning the Steelers & the cap. So yeah, Pittsburgh sounds like they are heading to cap hell.
During many NFL broadcasts they kept mentioning how the cap will go down. I'm just wondering if the league & union are able to open up talks about that. The uncertainty of the pandemic probably means management wouldn't be willing to, with the possibility of no fans again.
Vance McDonald retiring has freed up 15M with the increase in cap slightly and his numbers off the books and they steelers didn't have to do anything. We are definitely going to lose some guys but we aren't in as much hell now.
Vance McDonald retiring has freed up 15M with the increase in cap slightly and his numbers off the books and they steelers didn't have to do anything. We are definitely going to lose some guys but we aren't in as much hell now.
Well...they did have to do something....they had to lose Vance McDonald. (but, agree....he has not been much lately....so gaining that cap space is likely more valuable to that team than keeping that player would have been.
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You saying why not us, then bring up his current 17 million.
When Tour2ma post was saying IF he were willing to take a huge paycut it wouldn't be for the Browns.
From his EXACT post (which is what I replied about) he said that list is 1.
If you don't want to see the reasoning behind playing with his brothers, ok.
Even taking them out, there are teams that would be more likely to give JJ an opportunity to win a championship next year
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Love JJ.... at one time there was no more dominant Defensive force in the game. He did things I never saw before, but...
... he's a 10-yr vet on the downside of his career who in 2020 managed to have his second healthy season in his last five. And it paled in comparison to his 2018 comeback year... when he played opposite Clowney.
Now maybe that's an argument for moving heaven and earth to line him opposite MG, but first you have to trade for him (apparently he does not have a "no-trade" clause). And then you are getting him on a one-year deal for a mere $17.5mm.
If he signs with a team at a discount, they'll get real value... even at say $10mm/yr. But the list of teams for whom he might be willing to do that is a list of one... and it ain't us.
Why do you say not us?
Have we removed the stigma?
Is playing alongside Myles not enticing?
He grew up in the Midwest and his Brothers would be 2 hours away in Pitt. It’s short term too if he doesn’t like it- he can say Bye
17M is a lot but our short term cap number is not the issue (unlike most teams). 22/23/24 we start getting into Myles big number, Baker, etc. Watt will be coaching Dline for Wisconsin then
Why do you say not us?
You answered your own question when you noted that he has two brothers in the NFL who play just a couple hours east of us.
Playing with Derek and TJ would trump every other consideration. The family is very tight.
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