Blockbuster Trade
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Basically paying for long term draft capital.
I'd fully expect the Lions to get back to fundamentals now. Run the rock, play improved defense, try to limit Goff's exposure (in a sense). Get back to creating a competitive type of culture within the organization. Which sucks because the Lions have Kenny Golladay and it's fun seeing him get vertical.
NFCN is going to be in strange times the next couple years. Rogers is on the back 9 and looking at the club-house, Kirk is Kirk, Chi-town has zero idea what their QB situation will be like. But now the Lions have serious draft assets that nobody else in the division can match the next few years.
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very strange trade. Goff goes to Detroit, with the #12 offensive line, from the Rams with the PFF ratings #3 offensive line.
Two freaking draft first round picks? Stranger still, the rams are in bad negative cap space terrority, and Detroit is barely above their limit.......
very, very strange. BTW, PFF offensive line ratings - Cleveland Browns #1 !
cap space:
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Freedom from a contract??? 22M dead cap hit this year for the Rams
Yes, his entire contract. They pay 22M to get out of their obligation for 129M over the next four years.
As Pellisero says, rams eat the 22 and lions are on the hook for 107. Maths!
John Dorsey is going to have fun in the next few drafts in Detroit
Failing upwards in the NFL never made any sense. If you're looking for a new team to take the terrible side of a trade and have an abysmal locker room.. Detroit!
Failing upwards in the NFL never made any sense. If you're looking for a new team to take the terrible side of a trade and have an abysmal locker room.. Detroit!
Detroit got the terrible side of that trade? Two firsts, a third and Jared Goff is terrible?
Yeah, that's an interesting take.
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Basically paying for long term draft capital.
I'd fully expect the Lions to get back to fundamentals now. Run the rock, play improved defense, try to limit Goff's exposure (in a sense). Get back to creating a competitive type of culture within the organization. Which sucks because the Lions have Kenny Golladay and it's fun seeing him get vertical.
NFCN is going to be in strange times the next couple years. Rogers is on the back 9 and looking at the club-house, Kirk is Kirk, Chi-town has zero idea what their QB situation will be like. But now the Lions have serious draft assets that nobody else in the division can match the next few years.
Basically paying for long term draft capital.
I'd fully expect the Lions to get back to fundamentals now. Run the rock, play improved defense, try to limit Goff's exposure (in a sense). Get back to creating a competitive type of culture within the organization. Which sucks because the Lions have Kenny Golladay and it's fun seeing him get vertical.
NFCN is going to be in strange times the next couple years. Rogers is on the back 9 and looking at the club-house, Kirk is Kirk, Chi-town has zero idea what their QB situation will be like. But now the Lions have serious draft assets that nobody else in the division can match the next few years.
And the Browns play the NFC North next season....
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Failing upwards in the NFL never made any sense. If you're looking for a new team to take the terrible side of a trade and have an abysmal locker room.. Detroit!
Detroit got the terrible side of that trade? Two firsts, a third and Jared Goff is terrible?
Yeah, that's an interesting take.
Detroit got the terrible side of that trade? Two firsts, a third and Jared Goff is terrible?
Yeah, that's an interesting take.
Right on, IMO. While I do believe Stafford is better than Goff...he is also older, and he certainly is NOT 2 extra first round picks better.
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Failing upwards in the NFL never made any sense. If you're looking for a new team to take the terrible side of a trade and have an abysmal locker room.. Detroit!
Detroit got the terrible side of that trade? Two firsts, a third and Jared Goff is terrible?
Yeah, that's an interesting take.
Detroit got the terrible side of that trade? Two firsts, a third and Jared Goff is terrible?
Yeah, that's an interesting take.
That original comment and link is about Dorsey being terrible.. He'll take good players with the first round picks but fail greatly at everything else
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Detroit got the terrible side of that trade? Two firsts, a third and Jared Goff is terrible?
Yeah, that's an interesting take.
That original comment and link is about Dorsey being terrible.. He'll take good players with the first round picks but fail greatly at everything else
That original comment and link is about Dorsey being terrible.. He'll take good players with the first round picks but fail greatly at everything else
He nabbed three cornerstones in his first draft for the Browns with three of his four top picks, (and Austin Corbett I believe has started every since leaving the Browns) but the rest of the draft didn't amount to much. His second draft for the Browns looks horrible.
I'd have to look at his drafts in Kansas City.
I was petrified at the idea of him and the Browns salary cap longterm, so that problem was solved when he was fired.
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When I heard about the trade, I immediately thought it was a player for player swap.... then came news of the 2 first round picks, and finally the third rounder just to rub some acid into the cut. What a completely inept look for the Rams, and I can see the Wonder Boy being gone well before the ball drops on 2022.
I do think Stafford will be better than Goff in the short term, but the price will be the future of the franchise.
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To the Rams credit, they've drafted the following players between the 2nd and 6th rounds in the last 4 years.
- Gerald Everett
- Cooper Cupp
- John Johnson
- John Franklin Meyers
- Sebastian Joseph
- Taylor Rapp
- Darrell Henderson
- Bobby Evans
- Gregg Gaines
- David Edwards
- Cam Akers
- Van Jefferson
- Terrell Lewis
- Jordan Fuller
So in a way, I understand their front office having a sense of confidence to continue bringing in talent without 1st round picks. Since moving to L.A. that's a pretty absurd hit rate in mid to late round picks that are 1st - with the team and 2nd - producing if not outright starting.
Again, credit where it's due. They've done a great job turning over rocks and finding quality NFL players all throughout the draft.
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Per one source I read......this trade will make it harder for the Miami Dolphins to trade down from the #3 pick (which they got from Houston)....to a team that may want a QB. Detroit was a prime trade down target for them...but they seemingly are off the board.....unless they want to do another deal that would send Goff to Miami and Tua to Detroit.
Wouldn't that be fresh? Otherwise, they may be left trying to deal with Carolina at #8.....or actually picking a player at #3....and what is wrong with that.
Though, for Miami, I guess they still could be into the Watson market, though I don't think Houston wants Watson in the AFC.
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Basically paying for long term draft capital.
I'd fully expect the Lions to get back to fundamentals now. Run the rock, play improved defense, try to limit Goff's exposure (in a sense). Get back to creating a competitive type of culture within the organization. Which sucks because the Lions have Kenny Golladay and it's fun seeing him get vertical.
NFCN is going to be in strange times the next couple years. Rogers is on the back 9 and looking at the club-house, Kirk is Kirk, Chi-town has zero idea what their QB situation will be like. But now the Lions have serious draft assets that nobody else in the division can match the next few years.
NFCN is going to be in strange times the next couple years. Rogers is on the back 9 and looking at the club-house, Kirk is Kirk, Chi-town has zero idea what their QB situation will be like. But now the Lions have serious draft assets that nobody else in the division can match the next few years.
A Browns-Lions Super Bowl would be great for the NFL.
The "exorcise your demons" bowl...Lions 1957, Browns 1964, the last time these two won it all.
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Unbelievable.
The Browns badly wanted to find a way to acquire former Boardman High School quarterback Bernie Kosar who was leaving the University of Miami, while Buffalo was looking to add draft picks. Both found a way to make it work.
“Thank goodness we were dealing with Ernie Accorsi who was one of the most honorable men you will ever meet,” former Bills general manager Bill Polian said. “We ended up getting Cleveland’s first-round draft picks in 1985 and 1986, their third-round pick in 1985 and their sixth-round pick in 1986 for our first-round pick in 1986.”
The Bills drafted HOF'er Bruce Smith in 85 with their pick #1. DB Derrick Burroughs with ours..1986 the Bills turned 1st Browns pick into Iowa's RB Ronnie Harmon..
2 1's...3rd..and a 6th... to Hello Bernie !
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Wow Jared Goff is probably pissing himself right about now... Holy shizzles!!!... I wouldve kept Goff... Stafford has maybe what 2 years left?
Wow Jared Goff is probably pissing himself right about now... Holy shizzles!!!... I wouldve kept Goff... Stafford has maybe what 2 years left?
He probably has more than that.
Good trade for the Lions no doubt. They currently hold the 3rd pick this year. With Goff, they won't draft a QB...at least it doesn't seem so.
I wonder what they might get in a trade down to a QB starved team? If I was running the Lions, that is what I would do.
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At first, I thought that trading Stafford was stupid by the Lions, and doing for 2 firsts and a second was stupid by the Rams. I don't know what is the Rams' situation for the future, but if they fixed a major cap problem, the more I think of it, this might be a trade where there aren't any obvious losers. Sans the hindsight that everyone and their mothers will have when we see how both QBs pan out in their new teams.
The Lions start a rebuilding with new GM and HC, get a lot of draft stock, and make a transition with a young QB. I like Stafford better than Goff, but I think the later can be a decent QB for a team with no playoff goals for the near future.
The Rams get rid of a huge contract with a QB they don't believe in, get another one in exchange who can surely give them an edge for 2-3 years. They have been constantly in the playoffs as of late, so those picks are late first rounders. I think they have done very well staying as contenders juggling with the cap and drafting well, so I think they can make it with less draft picks, and they believe so. This is also the kind of trade that can set them as an attractive venue for FAs looking for a "win now" team, which makes sense since Ithink they'll have to keep juggling this year (again I don't remember their cap situation).
If there is an obvious loser, for me it is Jared Goff. They traded him with 3 high picks for a vet QB. Still, he is no Osweiler going to the Browns with no player exchange...
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interesting opinion.
says the rams won the trade, (only because they had to bail on their serious mistake of giving Goff a huge contract extension).
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2021/01/30/matthew-stafford-jared-goff-trade/
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Wow Jared Goff is probably pissing himself right about now... Holy shizzles!!!... I wouldve kept Goff... Stafford has maybe what 2 years left?
He probably has more than that.
Good trade for the Lions no doubt. They currently hold the 3rd pick this year. With Goff, they won't draft a QB...at least it doesn't seem so.
I wonder what they might get in a trade down to a QB starved team? If I was running the Lions, that is what I would do.
Welcome to the auction folks, step right in and start bidding
He probably has more than that.
Good trade for the Lions no doubt. They currently hold the 3rd pick this year. With Goff, they won't draft a QB...at least it doesn't seem so.
I wonder what they might get in a trade down to a QB starved team? If I was running the Lions, that is what I would do.
Welcome to the auction folks, step right in and start bidding
Detroit has the 7th pick
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Wow Jared Goff is probably pissing himself right about now... Holy shizzles!!!... I wouldve kept Goff... Stafford has maybe what 2 years left?
He probably has more than that.
Good trade for the Lions no doubt. They currently hold the 3rd pick this year. With Goff, they won't draft a QB...at least it doesn't seem so.
I wonder what they might get in a trade down to a QB starved team? If I was running the Lions, that is what I would do.
Welcome to the auction folks, step right in and start bidding
If I was running the Lions, that is what I would do
Dorsey is assistant GM in Detroit as of last week to Brad Holmes as GM, so you'd probably make better suggestions than Dorsey with all those picks.
Holmes was the director of player personnel with the Rams tasked with ID'ing the 2nd/3rd day picks the last few years, and they've done a lot of good work.. so it's possible he could repeat that in Detroit - and if so more power to him.
Lions new staff has a good OC with Anthony Lynn, and Dan Campbell will be decent as HC.
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Unbelievable.
The Browns badly wanted to find a way to acquire former Boardman High School quarterback Bernie Kosar who was leaving the University of Miami, while Buffalo was looking to add draft picks. Both found a way to make it work.
“Thank goodness we were dealing with Ernie Accorsi who was one of the most honorable men you will ever meet,” former Bills general manager Bill Polian said. “We ended up getting Cleveland’s first-round draft picks in 1985 and 1986, their third-round pick in 1985 and their sixth-round pick in 1986 for our first-round pick in 1986.”
The Bills drafted HOF'er Bruce Smith in 85 with their pick #1. DB Derrick Burroughs with ours..1986 the Bills turned 1st Browns pick into Iowa's RB Ronnie Harmon..
2 1's...3rd..and a 6th... to Hello Bernie !
2 1's...3rd..and a 6th... to Hello Bernie !
But the Browns needed a QB. IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this. I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff. Is Goff that bad?
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
But the Browns needed a QB. IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this. I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff. Is Goff that bad?
Stafford’s contract is better (for now) but wait until they have to extend Stafford. We hear how he’s better than Goff is it plausible that he would want at least Goff type money?
The Rams are actually worse off financially (cap wise) this season dealing Goff. 8 million worse by my count in 2021.
And No I don’t think Goff is bad. Goff 107 TD / 55 INTs. Completed 67% of his passes this past year...Couple Pro Bowls. Not too shabby for 4.5 years of work.
I expect the Rams will try to fix the money situation now by extending/restructuring Staffords deal to soften the blow to the cap.
I have a Rams buddy that is upset big time...he’s happy that the 9ers didn’t get him but aside from that not happy at all.
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But the Browns needed a QB. IMO, the Rams didn't 'need' to do this. I mean, they traded up ahead of us to draft Goff. Is Goff that bad?
Stafford’s contract is better (for now) but wait until they have to extend Stafford. We hear how he’s better than Goff is it plausible that he would want at least Goff type money?
The Rams are actually worse off financially (cap wise) this season dealing Goff. 8 million worse by my count in 2021.
And No I don’t think Goff is bad. Goff 107 TD / 55 INTs. Completed 67% of his passes this past year...Couple Pro Bowls. Not too shabby for 4.5 years of work.
I expect the Rams will try to fix the money situation now by extending/restructuring Staffords deal to soften the blow to the cap.
I have a Rams buddy that is upset big time...he’s happy that the 9ers didn’t get him but aside from that not happy at all.
I have a Rams buddy that is upset big time...
My kid brother was a Rams fan.
I would never have guessed that Stafford would've landed in LA. Reality is stranger than fiction.
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