JJ Watt to Cardinals
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Premonition ? Or just a good picture.
He’s still a very good player but he’s not the same player he was at his peak, a five-time first-team All-Pro who won NFL defensive player of the year in 2012, 2014 and 2015. Watt has posted nine total sacks and 18 TFLs in his last 24 games.
If the Browns see Watt as an affordable stopgap contributor in 2021 to replace Olivier Vernon (and his torn Achilles), it’s possible Cleveland GM Andrew Berry makes the move. But don’t expect it to happen.
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I just don't understand why anyone who has followed along Watt's journey the last 5 years would seriously want him at the number he's being paid (even if he's a restructure). 2018 season aside, 2016-2017, and 2019-2020 were either serious injuries or just below average years. The dude was healthy enough to start every game this year, and I get the Texans were a bad team but I think it's apparent the injuries, and age, are catching. If it was a 1 year, $2.5 mill base type situation with incentive laden bonuses? Sure, let's see if there's still juice to squeeze. But not at his number, no way. I get it, the man was the best at the position for nearly 6 years, but that ship is sailing. Would MUCH rather get someone with upside, or if we want the veteran route target Yannick or something similar (and younger)
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I’d love to have Watt. Can I say it again again and again. He’s got a great attitude...definitely rub off positively on that side of the ball ( I think we need a leader badly on defense).
He’s not a starter. You put him on a pitch count. Draft another guy early to rotate in with him and learn from JJ. I can’t think of a better scenario.
For the cap people...1 year deal.
We need a better front 4. Ogunjobi isn’t coming back- who knows what we do with Richardson. I’m not counting on Vernon with an Achilles at 30+. And our D coordinator expects pressure from the front 4 with little help.
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I’d love to have Watt. Can I say it again again and again. He’s got a great attitude...definitely rub off positively on that side of the ball ( I think we need a leader badly on defense).
He’s not a starter. You put him on a pitch count. Draft another guy early to rotate in with him and learn from JJ. I can’t think of a better scenario.
For the cap people...1 year deal.
We need a better front 4. Ogunjobi isn’t coming back- who knows what we do with Richardson. I’m not counting on Vernon with an Achilles at 30+. And our D coordinator expects pressure from the front 4 with little help.
I’d love to have Watt. Can I say it again again and again. He’s got a great attitude...definitely rub off positively on that side of the ball ( I think we need a leader badly on defense).
He’s not a starter. You put him on a pitch count. Draft another guy early to rotate in with him and learn from JJ. I can’t think of a better scenario.
For the cap people...1 year deal.
We need a better front 4. Ogunjobi isn’t coming back- who knows what we do with Richardson. I’m not counting on Vernon with an Achilles at 30+. And our D coordinator expects pressure from the front 4 with little help.
Issue is, you don’t pay someone $17.5 million to be on a pitch count. Again, if watt was on one a year, lower base deal with incentives sure. But in a year where cap is going down and we have 3-4 key dudes to re-sign. One year or not, that doesn’t make sense. even one year dudes mess up abilities to sign players long-term. He would have to take a serious restructure to even consider it.
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fuck no.....way over his prime....this would be another blockheaded move like the willie mcginnis....scott fujita....jamal lewis moves.......like one of the posters said, we would be paying for his past performance....he's cooked....too many injuries..
If I recall, Jamal Lewis played pretty darn well for us in the time he was here. And McGinnis wasn't so bad either.
Lewis: 2 1000 yard seasons.
2007 28 CLE RB 31 15 15 298 1304 9 59 66 4.4 86.9 19.9 39 30 248 8.3 2 8 34 2.0 16.5 76.9% 6.4 328 4.7 1552 11 4 13 2008 29 CLE RB 31 16 16 279 1002 4 43 29 3.6 62.6 17.4 32 23 178 7.7 0 8 18 1.4 11.1 71.9% 5.6 302 3.9 1180 4 2 6 2009 30 CLE RB 31 9 8 143 500 0 18 18 3.5 55.6 15.9 11 8 88 11.0 0 5 19 0.9 9.8 72.7% 8.0 151 3.9 588 0 0 3 McGinest:
2006 35 CLE LOLB 55 14 13 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 4.0 45 36 9 8 10 6 2007 36 CLE LOLB 55 13 11 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0 3.0 30 19 11 4 4 5 2008 37 CLE LOLB 55 14 14 0 0 0 0 2 1.0 57 44 13 5 9 If I recall, Jamal Lewis played pretty darn well for us in the time he was here. And McGinnis wasn't so bad either.
Lewis: 2 1000 yard seasons.
2007 28 CLE RB 31 15 15 298 1304 9 59 66 4.4 86.9 19.9 39 30 248 8.3 2 8 34 2.0 16.5 76.9% 6.4 328 4.7 1552 11 4 13 2008 29 CLE RB 31 16 16 279 1002 4 43 29 3.6 62.6 17.4 32 23 178 7.7 0 8 18 1.4 11.1 71.9% 5.6 302 3.9 1180 4 2 6 2009 30 CLE RB 31 9 8 143 500 0 18 18 3.5 55.6 15.9 11 8 88 11.0 0 5 19 0.9 9.8 72.7% 8.0 151 3.9 588 0 0 3 McGinest:
2006 35 CLE LOLB 55 14 13 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 4.0 45 36 9 8 10 6 2007 36 CLE LOLB 55 13 11 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0 3.0 30 19 11 4 4 5 2008 37 CLE LOLB 55 14 14 0 0 0 0 2 1.0 57 44 13 5 9 If I recall, Jamal Lewis played pretty darn well for us in the time he was here. And McGinnis wasn't so bad either.
Lewis: 2 1000 yard seasons.
2007 28 CLE RB 31 15 15 298 1304 9 59 66 4.4 86.9 19.9 39 30 248 8.3 2 8 34 2.0 16.5 76.9% 6.4 328 4.7 1552 11 4 13 2008 29 CLE RB 31 16 16 279 1002 4 43 29 3.6 62.6 17.4 32 23 178 7.7 0 8 18 1.4 11.1 71.9% 5.6 302 3.9 1180 4 2 6 2009 30 CLE RB 31 9 8 143 500 0 18 18 3.5 55.6 15.9 11 8 88 11.0 0 5 19 0.9 9.8 72.7% 8.0 151 3.9 588 0 0 3 McGinest:
2006 35 CLE LOLB 55 14 13 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 4.0 45 36 9 8 10 6 2007 36 CLE LOLB 55 13 11 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0 3.0 30 19 11 4 4 5 2008 37 CLE LOLB 55 14 14 0 0 0 0 2 1.0 57 44 13 5 9 both those guys were not anywhere near what they used to be before coming to cleveland.....thats why their former teams got rid of them... neither of them were long term prospects.....anymore...
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If I recall, Jamal Lewis played pretty darn well for us in the time he was here. And McGinnis wasn't so bad either.
Lewis: 2 1000 yard seasons.
2007 28 CLE RB 31 15 15 298 1304 9 59 66 4.4 86.9 19.9 39 30 248 8.3 2 8 34 2.0 16.5 76.9% 6.4 328 4.7 1552 11 4 13 2008 29 CLE RB 31 16 16 279 1002 4 43 29 3.6 62.6 17.4 32 23 178 7.7 0 8 18 1.4 11.1 71.9% 5.6 302 3.9 1180 4 2 6 2009 30 CLE RB 31 9 8 143 500 0 18 18 3.5 55.6 15.9 11 8 88 11.0 0 5 19 0.9 9.8 72.7% 8.0 151 3.9 588 0 0 3 McGinest:
2006 35 CLE LOLB 55 14 13 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 4.0 45 36 9 8 10 6 2007 36 CLE LOLB 55 13 11 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0 3.0 30 19 11 4 4 5 2008 37 CLE LOLB 55 14 14 0 0 0 0 2 1.0 57 44 13 5 9 If I recall, Jamal Lewis played pretty darn well for us in the time he was here. And McGinnis wasn't so bad either.
Lewis: 2 1000 yard seasons.
2007 28 CLE RB 31 15 15 298 1304 9 59 66 4.4 86.9 19.9 39 30 248 8.3 2 8 34 2.0 16.5 76.9% 6.4 328 4.7 1552 11 4 13 2008 29 CLE RB 31 16 16 279 1002 4 43 29 3.6 62.6 17.4 32 23 178 7.7 0 8 18 1.4 11.1 71.9% 5.6 302 3.9 1180 4 2 6 2009 30 CLE RB 31 9 8 143 500 0 18 18 3.5 55.6 15.9 11 8 88 11.0 0 5 19 0.9 9.8 72.7% 8.0 151 3.9 588 0 0 3 McGinest:
2006 35 CLE LOLB 55 14 13 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 4.0 45 36 9 8 10 6 2007 36 CLE LOLB 55 13 11 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0 3.0 30 19 11 4 4 5 2008 37 CLE LOLB 55 14 14 0 0 0 0 2 1.0 57 44 13 5 9 both those guys were not anywhere near what they used to be before coming to cleveland.....thats why their former teams got rid of them... neither of them were long term prospects.....anymore...
both those guys were not anywhere near what they used to be before coming to cleveland.....thats why their former teams got rid of them... neither of them were long term prospects.....anymore...
No, but they were contributors. Lewis was still on his form for a couple of years: 1300 yards is damned good.
And if you bring in a veteran FA ....at no real cost except money (no players, no picks).... that could be a win/win. Or at least a "no big loss" deal if the player does not work out.
I think this team this year could have benefitted from that this year in the LB unit.
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both those guys were not anywhere near what they used to be before coming to cleveland.....thats why their former teams got rid of them... neither of them were long term prospects.....anymore...
No, but they were contributors. Lewis was still on his form for a couple of years: 1300 yards is damned good.
And if you bring in a veteran FA ....at no real cost except money (no players, no picks).... that could be a win/win. Or at least a "no big loss" deal if the player does not work out.
I think this team this year could have benefitted from that this year in the LB unit.
No, but they were contributors. Lewis was still on his form for a couple of years: 1300 yards is damned good.
And if you bring in a veteran FA ....at no real cost except money (no players, no picks).... that could be a win/win. Or at least a "no big loss" deal if the player does not work out.
I think this team this year could have benefitted from that this year in the LB unit.
We will probably turn over and lose some vets- Sendejo, Vernon, Goodson, Joseph maybe even Ogunjobi. We have 9 draft picks on top of a younger roster.
We could use some vets on one year deals.
I think they tried late with a guy like Malcolm Smith. At the start of the year, I was hoping they would sign some vets at certain position groups (insurance against covid). I think the FO thought they would get a little more out of Mack Wilson too.
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JJ stokin' things a lil...
J.J. Watt sends another interesting tweet about Texans' personnel move (msn.com)
The Texans have made several personnel changes this offseason, and reports have indicated Watson and other veteran players are not pleased. One of the moves was firing equipment manager Mike Parson and his staff. Watt took to Twitter on Sunday to praise Parson and say, "Anybody would be lucky to have" him.
On the surface, that looks like merely a nice endorsement from Watt. But if you have followed the situation in Houston, you have to wonder if Watt was doing more than just praising a former Texans employee.
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported on Sunday that Parson and Watson are close, and Watson is not happy that the Texans let Parson and his staff go. The same is likely true for Watt.
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https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/j-j-watt-released-by-houston/
I would do a 1 year contract with him... At a reasonable price... but I'm sure he'll be lookin for that twilight haul in....
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Worth a shot?
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I definitely get the sense JJ is going to take less money to play for a winner. No way he leaves 17.5 million on the table if he didn’t feel that way.
take a look at 2020 stats, though. The man was seemingly healthy (played all 16) and had below average stats across the board. That being said? As I said in the other thread, a 2 year deal with opt out after year one, and incentive laden may be worth a serious look.
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I definitely get the sense JJ is going to take less money to play for a winner. No way he leaves 17.5 million on the table if he didn’t feel that way.
take a look at 2020 stats, though. The man was seemingly healthy (played all 16) and had below average stats across the board. That being said? As I said in the other thread, a 2 year deal with opt out after year one, and incentive laden may be worth a serious look.
I definitely get the sense JJ is going to take less money to play for a winner. No way he leaves 17.5 million on the table if he didn’t feel that way.
take a look at 2020 stats, though. The man was seemingly healthy (played all 16) and had below average stats across the board. That being said? As I said in the other thread, a 2 year deal with opt out after year one, and incentive laden may be worth a serious look.
And, I wonder if he would like to go up against his brother twice in the same season. (this, of course, being cognizant of the fact that despite the fact that he might like to play with his brother....that team has absolutely no way to sign him under their cap restraints). Next best thing: play against his team twice?
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I definitely get the sense JJ is going to take less money to play for a winner. No way he leaves 17.5 million on the table if he didn’t feel that way.
take a look at 2020 stats, though. The man was seemingly healthy (played all 16) and had below average stats across the board. That being said? As I said in the other thread, a 2 year deal with opt out after year one, and incentive laden may be worth a serious look.
And, I wonder if he would like to go up against his brother twice in the same season. (this, of course, being cognizant of the fact that despite the fact that he might like to play with his brother....that team has absolutely no way to sign him under their cap restraints). Next best thing: play against his team twice?
And, I wonder if he would like to go up against his brother twice in the same season. (this, of course, being cognizant of the fact that despite the fact that he might like to play with his brother....that team has absolutely no way to sign him under their cap restraints). Next best thing: play against his team twice?
I love that idea as long as he's got fuel in the tank...
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I definitely get the sense JJ is going to take less money to play for a winner. No way he leaves 17.5 million on the table if he didn’t feel that way.
take a look at 2020 stats, though. The man was seemingly healthy (played all 16) and had below average stats across the board. That being said? As I said in the other thread, a 2 year deal with opt out after year one, and incentive laden may be worth a serious look.
I definitely get the sense JJ is going to take less money to play for a winner. No way he leaves 17.5 million on the table if he didn’t feel that way.
take a look at 2020 stats, though. The man was seemingly healthy (played all 16) and had below average stats across the board. That being said? As I said in the other thread, a 2 year deal with opt out after year one, and incentive laden may be worth a serious look.
I like something like this, maybe 20 million for two years, 12 million guaranteed something like that. He had a lot of pressures this year and with someone like Garrett on the other side his QB sacks would probably be way up over 2020, assuming he stays healthy.
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Zombo said:
A Realtor friend of mine in Cleveland told me he just bought a house in Strongsville.
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Actually, I hear he is looking for a horse ranch....so I found one for him fairly for him:
https://www.horseproperties.net/properties/Ohio/Medina+County/Medina/31000
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While an edge has much more to their game then straight stat stuffing, it's worth pointing out how god awful the Texans were this year.
Hard to get pass rushing opportunities in the 2nd half when teams are running the ball on you to bleed clock with a 3 TD lead.
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True that this past season was his first in 5?7? where he played all 16, he remains pretty good. Not greatly better than Olivier Vernon.
New site linked for this forum.. sports injury predictor for JJ watt suggests he's expected to miss 5 games to injury next year. Also lists his entire injury history.
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Play against his brothers? lol...
Yeah he'd be opposite Derek for about 4 plays twice a season... what an inducement.
Hey, Gip...
Double or nothing for that $100 you owe me? I'll take PTG and you can have the other 31 teams.
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I'm interested in the Watt wants to win where watch...
Going home to Green Bay with Rogers is his best landing spot imo.. a mere minus -28M over the cap
I'd really hate the Steelers... a mere minus -30M over the cap
stay tuned & Why not us ?
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