Quarterback Merry Go Round

Tour2ma

@sdbacker80 said:

I like Justin Fields. But Fields and Trey Lance they will need some time. They are projects. That’s probably what’s left at their spot. But Maybe we give credit to the Cowboys scouting department Dak was selected late and was ROY.

You are forgetting Kellen Mond... the Dak of 2021.

Not joking... I see a lot of similarities. 'Boys can resign Dalton and groom Mond most of the season.

The 'Boys have put themselves in cap hell and resigning Dak to a big deal simply perpetuates that condition. Add in the uncertainty of Dak's horrendous injury and it just doesn't make sense for Jerrah & Co. to sign Dak...

Of course that only increases the likelihood that is exactly what Jonsey will do...

The Gipper

My feelings:

1. While it would be good to acquire Watson.....it is not certain that Houston will even attempt to trade him "Watson strategy" could/should be another thread, but as far as the Jets are concerned, is getting Watson at the cost of say Darnold, the #2 pick their #23 pick, plus more really worth it? That team is already emasculated in most areas besides QB. Would they really improve by getting Watson and giving all their other assets that could improve the team in so many other areas? I say no. It would be unaffordable for the present and future of one of the worst current teams on the league.

2. Getting rid of Darnold, nor keeping him and using the #2 pick on another QB do not seem prudent to me. Darnold was the #3 pick. What is to say the #2 pick QB this will be any better than him...particularly if you do not give him any help beside a disgruntled young QB to compete against. Further, who knows what kind of value you can get for Darnold. I don't think he is that bad. He is young and learning and growing, but he needs help.

3. Ergo, I say do either A or B above. If someone will give you a buttload for the #2 pick, go for it....and hope you have a new GM who can really capable of making the best of the picks. They need weapons on offense, protection for the QB, and help in the DL and DB . As bad as that team, they can't do everything they need even with 2 first round picks. If they could drop down, get a 1 this year, a 1 next year, and another 2d and a 3rd...and maybe more, it would be best for them IMO.

The Gipper

So, this represents a consensus between myself, Unsympathetic and Tour.

And, in the other corner are? :

But, for the sake of hoping the Cowboys mire themselves in suckage for a long time, I hope the other corner's position prevails.

The Gipper

As promised, here is a thread on what the Texans Strategy, vis a vis Deshaun Watson, should be.

Note...this is not titled 'Watson's strategy". Watson has claimed he wants out, and I believe him. If the DATs accommodate him, he just has to decide where he would approve a move to. There is no issue of money involved. He has a long term deal in place. If he goes somewhere they have to either accept it, or try to renegotiate (and why would Watson do that?)

No, the issue is: What action should the Texans take:

A. Play hardball. Continue to insist he is not going to be traded, and follow through on that, even if it means he sits out a year. Of course, continue to try to woo and cajole him and try to convince him staying put is his best option.

B. Concede and try to trade him. But, to where and for what?

.....1. To Jets for Darnold and their two first round picks..plus extra

.....2. To Dolphins for Tua and their two first round picks...and extra.

....3. Say to Watson....We will trade you, but only for an acceptable package...and ONLY to an NFC team. Say to him, if you insist on leaving, we don't want to see your ass except once every 4 years.

...4. Or just say...we will trade you to the team that gives us the best offer in return regardless of division or conference, as long as we get a ton of picks/young veteran players. In other words, go Sonny Weaver on them: "You want Bo Callahan, we want 3 first round picks and a punt returner". Or something like that. (except, unlike with Bo...you know you won't be getting a potential bust".

C. Something else I have not thought of?

Unsympathetic

Trade demand ripple effect

As to what Texans accept in a trade? Easterby is a shitposter in human form, so I can't see his "logic" for anything. If you guess correctly, go immediately to Vegas..

The Gipper

@unsympathetic said:

It almost doesn't matter what we "think" will happen.. Texans have no chance of winning until they fire Easterby.

Trade demand ripple effect

As to what they'll accept? Easterby is a shitposter in human form, so "logic" can't be included.

While all that may be true, (it really NEVER matters what sports fans think)..... we can still talk about it as if, perhaps there were someone with logic running the show for these teams.

And, to quote someone: "We just stand back and let it all be".

Unsympathetic

I don't think anyone has that kind of space.. although he had a 70% completion rate last season with that roster and that dysfunction.. Watson is unreal.

SdBacker80

@the-gipper said:

So, this represents a consensus between myself, Unsympathetic and Tour.

And, in the other corner are? :

But, for the sake of hoping the Cowboys mire themselves in suckage for a long time, I hope the other corner's position prevails.

I’m with you assuming we know the Cowboys find another draftee that will have a 42-27 record and win rookie of the year.

The Gipper

@sdbacker80 said:

I’m with you assuming we know the Cowboys find another draftee that will have a 42-27 record and win rookie of the year.

Most accomplished during first season.... on a rookie deal with a great OL and defense.

Now they are shite.....and now he wants to be paid 20% of his team's salary cap.

Notes, just for reference: On a 53 man roster with a 185 million salary cap, the average salary...i.e if each and every player got 1/53 of the team's salary cap, that would be 3.5 million per player. But if one guy gets 37 million, that means that means the other 52 players must share 148 million....or 2.84 million. Zeke Elliot has a 13.7 million cap hit. So those 2 players alone could take up 50.7 million of the 185 mill cap hit. Amari Cooper's cap hit is 22 million. So, their "triplets" would take up 72.7 million of their cap number...or 39.3% of their total salary. That leaves 112.3 million to be divided between 50 players...or an average of 2.246 mill per player.

I don't know.....can a team pay 3 of its players nearly 40% of their entire budget....and still be a good team?

Pay him that and see what his team's record would be in the future. He would be lucky to achieve the reverse of that record.

I say it would doom them to a future of 3-6 wins per season for the foreseeable future.

SdBacker80

@the-gipper said:

Most accomplished during first season.... on a rookie deal with a great OL and defense.

Now they are shite.....and now he wants to be paid 20% of his team's salary cap.

Notes, just for reference: On a 53 man roster with a 185 million salary cap, the average salary...i.e if each and every player got 1/53 of the team's salary cap, that would be 3.5 million per player. But if one guy gets 37 million, that means that means the other 52 players must share 148 million....or 2.84 million. Zeke Elliot has a 13.7 million cap hit. So those 2 players alone could take up 50.7 million of the 185 mill cap hit. Amari Cooper's cap hit is 22 million. So, their "triplets" would take up 72.7 million of their cap number...or 39.3% of their total salary. That leaves 112.3 million to be divided between 50 players...or an average of 2.246 mill per player.

I don't know.....can a team pay 3 of its players nearly 40% of their entire budget....and still be a good team?

Pay him that and see what his team's record would be in the future. He would be lucky to achieve the reverse of that record.

I say it would doom them to a future of 3-6 wins per season for the foreseeable future.

Welcome To this era of football. We are Browns fans we haven’t been here before...I get it. But I think we are here.

Browns will be Baker and Myles and hopefully some wise draft selections under rookie contracts and vets taking discounts.

Lots of cap talk on the forum these days and too many us think we are re-signing guys like Bitonio, Landry, etc- see my vets taking discounts comment if they want to stay. The beauty of our situation - WE don’t have bad contracts. Myles is bad if he flops. You can make a slight case for Hooper. That’s all!!! The FO right now is measuring Baker figuring out that number is the first domino - the Cowboys didn’t do that but they will fit Dak’s contract in- my guess- my prediction.

In regard to Dak, Jerry screwed it up...but what is the alternative? Your suggestions while an option don’t provide the right answer to the question What Would Jerry Do?

And what is exactly wrong with Dak? You think this is a middle of the road QB...I don’t.

The Gipper

In regard to Dak, Jerry screwed it up...but what is the alternative? Your suggestions while an option don’t provide the right answer to the question What Would Jerry Do?

I would never propose to figure what Jerry Jones will do...

I will only say: " I think it can reliably be said that Jerry will fuck things up. And I am good with that."

The Gipper

Could there be a possible switch of QBs between Dallas and Seattle? Rumblings are that Wilson may want out of Seattle, and would accept a trade to Dallas. Would Jerry Jones drop his interest in Dak like a rock if he thinks he could get Wilson?

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/florio-seahawks-qb-russell-wilson-has-eye-on-dallas-cowboys

The Gipper

Washington prepared to part ways with Alex Smith?

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-rumors-possible-alex-smith-155702779.html

Perhaps a done deal?

https://sports.yahoo.com/does-alex-smith-release-mean-160007134.html

The Gipper

Could Rudolph the Racist Reindeer be out in Pittsburgh?

https://sports.yahoo.com/tim-benz-does-ben-roethlisberger-190100583.html

The Gipper

Old Buddy Josh McCown cut. Could turn to coaching:

https://sports.yahoo.com/texans-cut-josh-mccown-may-213937023.html

The Gipper

Marcus Mariota, possibly to the Eagles?

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-rumors-eagles-reportedly-team-172835801.html

The Gipper

1. Colts.....Carson Wentz to Colts in trade with Eagles.

2. Saints

3. Texans

4. Lions.....Jared Goff....to Lions in trade with Rams

5. Cowboys

6. Bears

7. Jaguars.....belief is that Trevor Lawrence will be the guy...noting official until the draft.

8. Patriots

9. Broncos

10. Washington

11. Eagles.....Jalen Hurts???

12. Panthers

13. Dolphins

14. Falcons

15. 49ers

16. Steelers.....Ben Roethlisberger

17. Packers

18. Rams? Matt Stafford to Rams in trade for Goff.

Over half the teams in the league.

BR signing a reduced deal ensures that he will at least start the season as the Starting QB for the Squeelers.

SdBacker80

Dak gets paid because Jerry realizes he has no choice.

4yr. 160M. 126M guaranteed

gumby73

@sdbacker80 said:

Dak gets paid because Jerry realizes he has no choice.

4yr. 160M. 126M guaranteed

Hallelujah ! For 2 years now, I've been turning the station on Dak's 'old & stale' new contract news..I never thought this would happen in Big D.. Good for Dak..Out played his draft slot to some serious bucks ?

SdBacker80

@gumby73 said:

Hallelujah ! For 2 years now, I've been turning the station on Dak's 'old & stale' new contract news..I never thought this would happen in Big D.. Good for Dak..Out played his draft slot to some serious bucks ?

forgot that point...yes it is nice to not hear it...but it will be replaced by what will the Cowboys do with Zeke? He’s a goner next offseason I believe.

The Dak dilemma you had to answer two questions

Is he as average as fans make him out to be?

When you dig into things and see everything out there Did Jerry really have a choice?