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  • Watt 4-5 years ago...no doubt.

    Today he is a broken down player on his last leg.  I pass unless we are talking 2 years at 9mil, plus incentives to get him up to maybe 12 mil total. 

    My theory is sign players for who they are, not what they were.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    This thread is still a thing? 

    @tiamat63 said:

    This thread is still a thing? 

    As long we have an outside shot at Watt.  

    The discussion should also include the alternative to no Watt.  If there’s no money that precludes Barrett, Williams, Hendrickson, Clowney, Ngakoue types.  We know the Browns pursued Clowney last season and given the potential loses of Vernon and Ogunjobi - fair to say premier draft capital and maybe a decent signee or both will happen?

    Let’s do a quick run down of the D Line.

    Garrett

    Ogunjobi (likely gone)

    S. Richardson

    Gustin

     Vernon (likely gone; if he’s back is he recovered next year)

    Billings

    Elliot

    Taylor 

    Clayborn 

    Good Depth but we need a starter type on the other edge and we have a few guys in this mix nearing the end of their tenures in their careers or at the very least time with the Browns. 
     

  • The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown

  • Per this report,  Watt's chances of going to Steelers are slim and none, and Slim just left the building:

    It says   Packers, Bills, Titans are the favorites with Browns and Raiders still possible:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/dream-j-j-watt-steelers-150202924.html

  • he will be a packer.  would be nice if he comes here but don't have my hopes up.

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  • If he wanted to play for the Browns he would have signed by now. He’s waiting for the other teams to clear salary before he signs 

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike

    he will be a packer.  would be nice if he comes here but don't have my hopes up.

    @lbc-mike said:

    he will be a packer.  would be nice if he comes here but don't have my hopes up.

    I think so too.  Holding out hope though.

    We have some holes on the front and we need some kind of backup plan. 

  • We'll see what happens around 3/15. I think Berry is extremely intelligent & "forward thinking". I trust him & his staff to make the move(s) that best helps the Browns now & later.

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST

  • JJ Watt just signed with the Cardinals, 2 years @$31 million. 

    Glad that's over. 

    Karlis Missed
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  • Glad to see he is chasing the ring. With the 49ers, Rams and Seahawks in their division the Cardinals won't smell playoffs.

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  • 2 yr. 31M / 23M guaranteed.  That’s a little rich.  Good luck JJ.

    Looks like he still wanted to make some money.

    Next....What’s plan B? 

  • BarryB Barry

    Glad to see he is chasing the ring. With the 49ers, Rams and Seahawks in their division the Cardinals won't smell playoffs.

    @barry said:

    Glad to see he is chasing the ring. With the 49ers, Rams and Seahawks in their division the Cardinals won't smell playoffs.

    Yeah I do not understand this move one bit. This isn't playing for a contender, this is a money grab. But if its just a money grab, then why leave Houston. Yeah the Cardinals are a better team, but they aren't smelling an NFC Championship let alone a SB anytime soon.

  • BarryB Barry

    Glad to see he is chasing the ring. With the 49ers, Rams and Seahawks in their division the Cardinals won't smell playoffs.

    @barry said:

    Glad to see he is chasing the ring. With the 49ers, Rams and Seahawks in their division the Cardinals won't smell playoffs.

    I don’t see that is chasing a ring I see it is chasing  the money

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @barry said:

    Glad to see he is chasing the ring. With the 49ers, Rams and Seahawks in their division the Cardinals won't smell playoffs.

    I don’t see that is chasing a ring I see it is chasing  the money

    @the-gipper said:

    I don’t see that is chasing a ring I see it is chasing  the money

    I sensed a little sarcasm in the post you responded to-  the Cards at their very best appear to be a first playoff exit type of team.  

  • Cards have their QB and a first-ballot HOF-level WR.. whether they have the right OL, defense and coaches in place to make a run of any sort is a different thread altogether.

    Now we can close this thread and move to the business of actual championship contenders => signing free agents with good value to affordable contracts so that the backups can perform when called upon to keep next year's run on the tracks.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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  • Watt took the place that at least had a blueprint for success and offered him the most money. Murray somewhat quietly showed regression in a lot of areas last year, so we shall see. 

    I hope everyone here realizes that $23 million guaranteed for a 32 year old DE who objectively has shown decline in health and stats was not it for this club. We have way too many young guys to pay for that short term cap struggle.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @barry said:

    Glad to see he is chasing the ring. With the 49ers, Rams and Seahawks in their division the Cardinals won't smell playoffs.

    I don’t see that is chasing a ring I see it is chasing  the money

    @the-gipper said:

    I don’t see that is chasing a ring I see it is chasing  the money

    That's what I was implying. Maybe my posting is off still from looking at Hilton all night. And no, I don't mean Mike. ?

  • Bob806B Bob806

    JJ Watt just signed with the Cardinals, 2 years @$31 million. 

    Glad that's over. 

    @bob806 said:

    JJ Watt just signed with the Cardinals, 2 years @$31 million. 

    Glad that's over.

    More $$$ than I thought and to play with a team I never thought about...

    Just like Grossi and MKC. 😁

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  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    Watt took the place that at least had a blueprint for success and offered him the most money. Murray somewhat quietly showed regression in a lot of areas last year, so we shall see. 

    I hope everyone here realizes that $23 million guaranteed for a 32 year old DE who objectively has shown decline in health and stats was not it for this club. We have way too many young guys to pay for that short term cap struggle.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Murray somewhat quietly showed regression in a lot of areas last year,

    My impression as well, but hos statline doesn't support this view...

    image.thumb.png.ad49c622a3f73bd43c7fe10a874299f7.png

    What we, or at least I, also forget is AZ improved its record last season... from 5-10-1 to 8-8. Plus their rankings, Offensively and Defensively, were up across the board.

    Is JJ still a player that can put them over the top? Dunno... but AZ's FO seems to think so.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • Bob806B Bob806

    JJ Watt just signed with the Cardinals, 2 years @$31 million. 

    Glad that's over. 

    @bob806 said:

    JJ Watt just signed with the Cardinals, 2 years @$31 million. 

    Glad that's over. 

    i am sure we will never find out (or hey maybe a leak) what we offered But that money seems a bit rich for a ageing player  I wonder what the odds are for how many games watt will play ? i am guessins less than 12

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