Maybe linebacker in the first or....second round?
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Loads of good reads up in here (up in here)... adding *Better team speed* has been the off-season mantra all off season..Just tossing in some truck weights/40 speed digits up in here
Cox 232 dnpJOK 221 dnpZaven Collins 259 lbs./ 4.56ellerson smith 252 4.74Rashed 251 4.58__________________________________250's^^Micah Parsons 246 lbs. 4.39 ***6.94 3c (freak)*Browning 245 4.58*S.Toney 242 4.55Patrick Johnson 240 4.59/6.97 cone______________________________________240's^^D.Barnes 238 4.57Bolton 237 4.59Jamin Davis 234 lbs. /4.47*****KJ Britt 235 4.75______________________________________230's^^Borland 229 4.98Hilliard 229 4.81Chazz Surratt 229 lbs. 4.58Buddy Johnson 229 lbs. 4.57Jacob Phillips Overview
Position: Inside Linebacker
Height: 6’3″
Weight: 229 pounds40-Yard Dash: 4.66 seconds
Vertical Jump: 39 inches
Broad Jump: 10 feet 6 inches
Three Cone Drill: 7.38 seconds
20-Yard Shuttle: 4.33 secondsMack Wilson OverviewPosition: Linebacker
Height: 6’1″
Weight: 240 pounds
School: Alabama Crimson TideCombine Performance Data
40-yard dash: 4.71 seconds
Vertical Jump: 33 inches
Broad Jump: 10.08 inches
Three-cone drill: 7.20 seconds
20-yard shuttle: 4.50 secondsYeah... adding better team speed is highly doable...but, Seeing the LB position, while adding better speed as a 'higher drafting priority' is a wait & see ? -
It's not just "more speed" - it's short-area quickness and change of direction skills for coverage purposes which is the component that's lacking.
Wilson/taki/Phillips have enough of a 40 time.. 3-cone is more precise.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Before we bypass a LB in this draft...
Anyone think Mack Wilson is a trade or cut candidate prior to Week 1?
But If Mack is included Week 1, we have Taki and Phillips as well and both have flashed. I am particularly interested in seeing Phillips in Year 2 (hopefully healthy too).
Walker and Smith are ? Beyond 2021. Maybe you draft and develop behind these two?
So if everything works out health wise we have five for the position group and Keep in mind we had five LBs get significant PT (defensive snap counts) last season.
We have bigger needs DE, DT, CB but a second day LB to push guys like Wilson, Taki, Phillips and provide insurance in case an older player like Smith breaks down - not a bad idea and it certainly can’t be ruled out.
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It's not just "more speed" - it's short-area quickness and change of direction skills for coverage purposes which is the component that's lacking.
Wilson/taki/Phillips have enough of a 40 time.. 3-cone is more precise.
Wilson/taki/Phillips have enough of a 40 time.. 3-cone is more precise.
Agreed! (but, has Taki reached the endzone yet on that Wentz pick ?
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Lamar was lucky enough to have Yanda at RG when he was drafted..Now it will be our old pal Kevin Zeitler.... 10-15 play calls are Lamar read options off the back of his RG/LG...
It causes me to play drinking games seeing it coming..
if a decent 3-cone drill LB can plant his foot in the ground, than plant his arss... Am all In...
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The reason Symp is pointing out 3 cone agility and change of direction speed is because in a game such as football putting ever more importance on plays between the 20's that place linebackers in a conflict of assignment (RPO's are the best example of this) that makeup first step becomes critical compared to what it may used to have been valued.
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Before we bypass a LB in this draft...
Anyone think Mack Wilson is a trade or cut candidate prior to Week 1?
But If Mack is included Week 1, we have Taki and Phillips as well and both have flashed. I am particularly interested in seeing Phillips in Year 2 (hopefully healthy too).
Walker and Smith are ? Beyond 2021. Maybe you draft and develop behind these two?
So if everything works out health wise we have five for the position group and Keep in mind we had five LBs get significant PT (defensive snap counts) last season.
We have bigger needs DE, DT, CB but a second day LB to push guys like Wilson, Taki, Phillips and provide insurance in case an older player like Smith breaks down - not a bad idea and it certainly can’t be ruled out.
We have bigger needs DE, DT, CB
I don't know how high CB is on the list right now with our FA signing. I know that you can neve have enough of 'em, but you can only 'afford' so many.
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Blurb on Jamin Davis I found...if you are talking 40 times:
Jamin Davis' measurements, included a 4.37 40-yard dash at 6'3, 234 lbs. Davis also had a 42” vertical and a 11' broad jump.
I think that is basically cornerback speed, fair to say?
But can he shed blockers and tackle the hell out of people? Sometimes really fast guys can't do those things. Not saying he can't, just asking that question.
Blurb on Jamin Davis I found...if you are talking 40 times:
Jamin Davis' measurements, included a 4.37 40-yard dash at 6'3, 234 lbs. Davis also had a 42” vertical and a 11' broad jump.
I think that is basically cornerback speed, fair to say?
But can he shed blockers and tackle the hell out of people? Sometimes really fast guys can't do those things. Not saying he can't, just asking that question.
Here is a nice film breakdown on Davis. If we pick a LB early, Davis is the guy. He fits the mold of the type of backer our D wants to play.
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Blurb on Jamin Davis I found...if you are talking 40 times:
Jamin Davis' measurements, included a 4.37 40-yard dash at 6'3, 234 lbs. Davis also had a 42” vertical and a 11' broad jump.
I think that is basically cornerback speed, fair to say?
But can he shed blockers and tackle the hell out of people? Sometimes really fast guys can't do those things. Not saying he can't, just asking that question.
Here is a nice film breakdown on Davis. If we pick a LB early, Davis is the guy. He fits the mold of the type of backer our D wants to play.
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We have bigger needs DE, DT, CB
I don't know how high CB is on the list right now with our FA signing. I know that you can neve have enough of 'em, but you can only 'afford' so many.
I don't know how high CB is on the list right now with our FA signing. I know that you can neve have enough of 'em, but you can only 'afford' so many.
If the right guy falls it could be the pick.
Greedy is an injury question mark.
Hill is a good slot corner.
Ward plays 12 games a year.
Unpopular opinion we could be drafting Wards replacement this year
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I don't know how high CB is on the list right now with our FA signing. I know that you can neve have enough of 'em, but you can only 'afford' so many.
If the right guy falls it could be the pick.
Greedy is an injury question mark.
Hill is a good slot corner.
Ward plays 12 games a year.
Unpopular opinion we could be drafting Wards replacement this year
Unpopular opinion we could be drafting Wards replacement this year
Ward is our best CB.....pro bowl caliber. I'd draft for a different position if I could. But who knows? A lot of cards would be played by pick 26.
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I don't know how high CB is on the list right now with our FA signing. I know that you can neve have enough of 'em, but you can only 'afford' so many.
If the right guy falls it could be the pick.
Greedy is an injury question mark.
Hill is a good slot corner.
Ward plays 12 games a year.
Unpopular opinion we could be drafting Wards replacement this year
If the right guy falls it could be the pick.
Greedy is an injury question mark.
Hill is a good slot corner.
Ward plays 12 games a year.
Unpopular opinion we could be drafting Wards replacement this year
I agree. Ward is a prime candidate to move on. Hospital Ward misses a lot of games. I think our offer is going to reflect that. Some team will probably offer more. It is what it is.
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If the right guy falls it could be the pick.
Greedy is an injury question mark.
Hill is a good slot corner.
Ward plays 12 games a year.
Unpopular opinion we could be drafting Wards replacement this year
I agree. Ward is a prime candidate to move on. Hospital Ward misses a lot of games. I think our offer is going to reflect that. Some team will probably offer more. It is what it is.
Ward is a prime candidate to move on. Hospital Ward misses a lot of games.
Well, let's use that logic. Greedy Williams has missed many more games than Ward, so let's ditch him. And Delpit fits that bill. Philips missed a bunch too...
It's tackle football......and the guys now-a-days wear these little shoulder pads and hardly any leg padding. Guys are going to get hurt.
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Ward is a prime candidate to move on. Hospital Ward misses a lot of games.
Well, let's use that logic. Greedy Williams has missed many more games than Ward, so let's ditch him. And Delpit fits that bill. Philips missed a bunch too...
It's tackle football......and the guys now-a-days wear these little shoulder pads and hardly any leg padding. Guys are going to get hurt.
Well, let's use that logic. Greedy Williams has missed many more games than Ward, so let's ditch him. And Delpit fits that bill. Philips missed a bunch too...
It's tackle football......and the guys now-a-days wear these little shoulder pads and hardly any leg padding. Guys are going to get hurt.
There is a big difference in Ward and Greedy though (which is what these guys are alluding to).
Ward is entering his final year on a rookie contract, in a year where the Top 2 guys that need to be extended are Baker and Chubb.
Ward is absolutely better than Greedy, but teams can't just keep everyone they want. Let's just say for the sake of argument that when healthy Ward is a Top 3 CB, that puts him at a minimum of 17.5 million (so 10 million more a year). For someone who plays 12 games a year.
So would you rather have Ward at that price and Greedy for 1 more year after this season AT LEAST, or as an example Fuller AND Okudah (on rookie contract).
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Well, let's use that logic. Greedy Williams has missed many more games than Ward, so let's ditch him. And Delpit fits that bill. Philips missed a bunch too...
It's tackle football......and the guys now-a-days wear these little shoulder pads and hardly any leg padding. Guys are going to get hurt.
There is a big difference in Ward and Greedy though (which is what these guys are alluding to).
Ward is entering his final year on a rookie contract, in a year where the Top 2 guys that need to be extended are Baker and Chubb.
Ward is absolutely better than Greedy, but teams can't just keep everyone they want. Let's just say for the sake of argument that when healthy Ward is a Top 3 CB, that puts him at a minimum of 17.5 million (so 10 million more a year). For someone who plays 12 games a year.
So would you rather have Ward at that price and Greedy for 1 more year after this season AT LEAST, or as an example Fuller AND Okudah (on rookie contract).
So would you rather
I would rather not create a need where one does not exist. Being able to control a team's top flight receiver is huge in today's NFL. We're trying to get to and win a superbowl here. And that's a very important position...along with edge rusher, T, QB...
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I think this FO would choose to pay Ward over Chubb if it came to it (health permitting)
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I think this FO would choose to pay Ward over Chubb if it came to it (health permitting)
I think this FO would choose to pay Ward over Chubb if it came to it (health permitting)
i agree.
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I think this FO would choose to pay Ward over Chubb if it came to it (health permitting)
I think this FO would choose to pay Ward over Chubb if it came to it (health permitting)
It comes down to asking price.
This is a HUGE year for Ward. Top 3 Corner money and another 12 games. The Hammy, Groin and Concussion issues just don’t disappear as he gets older and he’s tackled more guys 30-50 pounds heavier than he is.
I’d pass. Knowing He’s a huge asset to this team.
I’ve used Derrick Henry’s contract as an example with Chubb 4 yr. 50M. it Should have been offered yesterday.
Having said all this you better have a good plan B for both guys...both would be difficult to replace.
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I think this FO would choose to pay Ward over Chubb if it came to it (health permitting)
It comes down to asking price.
This is a HUGE year for Ward. Top 3 Corner money and another 12 games. The Hammy, Groin and Concussion issues just don’t disappear as he gets older and he’s tackled more guys 30-50 pounds heavier than he is.
I’d pass. Knowing He’s a huge asset to this team.
I’ve used Derrick Henry’s contract as an example with Chubb 4 yr. 50M. it Should have been offered yesterday.
Having said all this you better have a good plan B for both guys...both would be difficult to replace.
Having said all this you better have a good plan B for both guys...both would be difficult to replace.
Yup.
- Does being a fan icon matter anymore? Chubb is an offensive skill position player. He's a model citizen and a model team mate. To many, he's the favorite Browns player on the team. Does that matter in the financial offices at Berea?
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