Rogers Update
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what about unalienable rights says that it only applies some of the time. and rights and privileges are not the same thing.
what about unalienable rights says that it only applies some of the time. and rights and privileges are not the same thing.
Its Inalienable. And I didn't say that it applies "some of the time." I also did not say that rights and privileges are the same.
I said that it is a privilege to have rights. If I abuse the privilege of the right, the right can be taken away.
This is true on more than one right.
If I shoot someone illegally with a gun, do you think I should be allowed to still own one?
If I commit a felony, should I still be allowed to vote?
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with great freedoms comes great responsibilities. this applies equally to speech, gun ownership, etc. i'm not an nra hack but i believe in gun ownership especially since i aspire to live in a rural area where police response times are non-existant. however, allowing people to own and use guns who have proven to be irresponsible with such a great freedom only serves to compound, not alleviate, societal problems.
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Precisely. I own a rifle. Responsible gun ownership is fine. Irresponsible gun ownership is not.
Its like a DUI. You are free to drive all you want. But you go out and get drunk and drive, your right to drive is going to be seriously curtailed
.Two things
1 Driving is a privilige...Second Amendment is a right
2 If in fact you think both are alike then why not allow ccl holders to carry in liquor establishments?
Two things
1 Driving is a privilige...Second Amendment is a right
2 If in fact you think both are alike then why not allow ccl holders to carry in liquor establishments?
The Second Amendment is an Amendment. It delineates certain rights.
And your second point shows precisely that all rights and privileges have limitations on when and where and how they may be exercised. The "right" to bear arms may be restricted under the Constitution. (as may all other rights). It is permissable to prohibit carrying a gun into a bar. A private business can prohibit a weapon from being brought on their property. A state may require a permit for a conceal carry. A felon may be prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm.
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Here is a very brief treatise on the government's ability to regulate the time, place, and manner in which even the right of free speech can be exercised. Again, the point being that limitations even on our most important rights can be asserted:
http://www.answers.com/topic/time-place-an...er-restrictions
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Gun Ownership by Convicted Felons
Exceptions to the Federal Prohibitions
Hand Gun - Svend Damsgaard Federal law provides significant penalties for felons in possession of weapons, unless the felon has his rights restored by the convicting state.
Anyone who has been convicted of a felony is banned by federal law from ever possessing “any firearm or ammunition." Specifically a person "convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year" cannot possess any firearm in any location. 18 U.S.C. 922(g) is the federal law that prohibits anyone ever convicted of any felony to ever possess any firearm either inside or outside of his home. The federal punishment for felon gun possession is up to 10 years in prison.
There are many other federal gun ownership restrictions. For example, a conviction for a misdemeanor domestic battery results in a loss of gun rights. A person who is the subject of an order of protection may not possess a weapon. In light of the 2008 case of District of Colombia v. Heller, such restrictions may now have Second Amendment implications. A good summary is available from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
The Statutory Exception
The rule prohibiting felon gun ownership has some exceptions. There is specific statutory language providing that the federal criminal firearms possession does not apply to individuals who have had their civil rights restored by the state in which they where convicted of the felony.
Read more at Suite101: Gun Ownership by Convicted Felons: Exceptions to the Federal Prohibitions http://peacesecurity.suite101.com/article....s#ixzz0tlNTZKce
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If they want my gun they can try to pry .
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the obligatory "guns are bad and I'm scurred of dem" post by gipper....
Hello, McFly? Is anybody home? I am talking about the application of the law. A person that is convicted of a felony is what we call "under disability". Maybe you should look up what that term means in the Ohio Revised Code, or the US Code.
In addition, anyone who is on parole, on probation, or under a diversionary program is subject to the conditions placed on it by a court. YOU are a complete and utter fool if you don't think a condition about owning and possessing a gun will not apply to someone in the situation that Rogers is in who has proven that he is irresponsible with his weapon.
How about leaving the thinking to the grownups.
YOU are a complete and utter fool if you don't think a condition about owning and possessing a gun will not apply to someone in the situation that Rogers is in who has proven that he is irresponsible with his weapon.
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.I agree in some accounts but do to the punishment he received I dont think it would be for an extended period of time. Since there making him take a safety course I dont think there going to strip his rights to be a gun owner away, nor should they. More than likely after completion of the course he'll be able to pack heat again.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
Well Choke, you gotta admit these guys pack heat like it's just another necklace. I mean, I realize they are in the spotlight and all, but WTF do they need to constantly pack like gangsters for? It can't be that dangerous out there, especially when most of them can afford bodyguards.
Let's face it, whether for guns or not, these clowns are all about the bling of a piece. Just another accessory like a diamond stud. They be bad and shit.
I ain't gotta admit jack, doofus.....how much money you make in a year? These guys make that in a play or 2. Not only that, their contracts are public knowledge. You think its about bling.....you're Retarded. Don't you have some moderating to do turncoat?
I ain't gotta admit jack, doofus.....how much money you make in a year? These guys make that in a play or 2. Not only that, their contracts are public knowledge. You think its about bling.....you're Retarded. Don't you have some moderating to do turncoat?
Hey it's Ms. Chokesondix getting all toughie and stuff. I'll bet you could flat out whoop my ass. Matter of fact, I bet you are one bad motherfugger LMAO.
Someone get the stick outta this tool's ass.
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If they want my gun they can try to pry .
If they want my gun they can try to pry .
Two things: Don't try to bring it through airport security and don't become a felon. That may not be the comprehensive list of "Don'ts", but at least you now know to avoid those two things. If you don't avoid those two anyway, they will "pry".
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YOU are a complete and utter fool if you don't think a condition about owning and possessing a gun will not apply to someone in the situation that Rogers is in who has proven that he is irresponsible with his weapon.
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.I agree in some accounts but do to the punishment he received I dont think it would be for an extended period of time. Since there making him take a safety course I dont think there going to strip his rights to be a gun owner away, nor should they. More than likely after completion of the course he'll be able to pack heat again.
nmills said:
I agree in some accounts but do to the punishment he received I dont think it would be for an extended period of time. Since there making him take a safety course I dont think there going to strip his rights to be a gun owner away, nor should they. More than likely after completion of the course he'll be able to pack heat again.IF he does not come out of this with a felony, and IF he completes his required conditions....which may include a certain period of years in which he cannot own or possess, then yes, he may get the ability again some time to either own/possess/carry.
I think we need to wait and see what conditions are put on him pursuant to his sentencing.
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is it even federal? he didn't leave the state with it, so that's a bonus. i'm not aware of what the statute reads regarding a firearm in carry-on luggage in OH. seems this thread has everything else but that. does it even matter where it occurs (what state etc) or does that automatically make it a federal matter, just by attempting to board with it? seems it would.
it also seems obvious that it wouldn't be a misdemeaner, but like i said i just don't know.
if it was in his checked luggage, on most airlines it wouldn't even be an issue right now. maybe he thought it was packed in his checked luggage and then tried to play it off. it's possible?
at any rate, if it's not a felony or if he successfully completes his "stuff" he definitely won't lose it moving forward, not even temporarily.
although, if it is a felony (which it probably is) it was most likely effective immediately, so he may not have the right as i type this. then again, there is the whole "innocent until proven guilty" aspect so why would he have to surrender others he owns?
notwithstanding hidden conditions (which i don't believe there are any) if he completes everything all will be restored and as before with no further suspension or restrictions. it's pretty black and white regarding that.
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is it even federal? he didn't leave the state with it, so that's a bonus. i'm not aware of what the statute reads regarding a firearm in carry-on luggage in OH. seems this thread has everything else but that. does it even matter where it occurs (what state etc) or does that automatically make it a federal matter, just by attempting to board with it? seems it would.
it also seems obvious that it wouldn't be a misdemeaner, but like i said i just don't know.
if it was in his checked luggage, on most airlines it wouldn't even be an issue right now. maybe he thought it was packed in his checked luggage and then tried to play it off. it's possible?
at any rate, if it's not a felony or if he successfully completes his "stuff" he definitely won't lose it moving forward, not even temporarily.
although, if it is a felony (which it probably is) it was most likely effective immediately, so he may not have the right as i type this. then again, there is the whole "innocent until proven guilty" aspect so why would he have to surrender others he owns?
notwithstanding hidden conditions (which i don't believe there are any) if he completes everything all will be restored and as before with no further suspension or restrictions. it's pretty black and white regarding that.
is it even federal? he didn't leave the state with it, so that's a bonus. i'm not aware of what the statute reads regarding a firearm in carry-on luggage in OH. seems this thread has everything else but that. does it even matter where it occurs (what state etc) or does that automatically make it a federal matter, just by attempting to board with it? seems it would.
it also seems obvious that it wouldn't be a misdemeaner, but like i said i just don't know.
if it was in his checked luggage, on most airlines it wouldn't even be an issue right now. maybe he thought it was packed in his checked luggage and then tried to play it off. it's possible?
at any rate, if it's not a felony or if he successfully completes his "stuff" he definitely won't lose it moving forward, not even temporarily.
although, if it is a felony (which it probably is) it was most likely effective immediately, so he may not have the right as i type this. then again, there is the whole "innocent until proven guilty" aspect so why would he have to surrender others he owns?
notwithstanding hidden conditions (which i don't believe there are any) if he completes everything all will be restored and as before with no further suspension or restrictions. it's pretty black and white regarding that.
A. Air traffic control and security is definitely federal. It is all regulated by the FAA and the security is administered by the TSA, though, it is possible, within the discretion of the arresting authority to bring whatever charges may apply either under Federal or State laws...or even city ordinances.
B. Thus, it is entirely possible to be a misdemeanor. There are even Federal misdemeanors. A Misd. conviction may not necessarily cause him to become under disability, but he could still be under terms or probation or diversion that could prohibit him from owning or possessing firearms.
C. FYI, even if he were convicted of a felony, and completes his parole/probation whatever successfully, and if he is a first time criminal offender, and if he waits the requisite number of years he could apply for an expungement of his conviction which could in fact reactivate his right to own/possess. But, he sure as hell better not have any subsequent offenses.
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My understandings is all charges will be dropped when he completes the community service and gun safety class. No felony, misdemeanor or anything on the record.
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My understandings is all charges will be dropped when he completes the community service and gun safety class. No felony, misdemeanor or anything on the record.
nmills said:
My understandings is all charges will be dropped when he completes the community service and gun safety class. No felony, misdemeanor or anything on the record.But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.
Perhaps we should take a poll: Does anyone really give a ratatouille if Roger's is henceforth allowed to carry a weapon?
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nmills said:
My understandings is all charges will be dropped when he completes the community service and gun safety class. No felony, misdemeanor or anything on the record.But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.
Perhaps we should take a poll: Does anyone really give a ratatouille if Roger's is henceforth allowed to carry a weapon?
But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.
Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
nmills said:
I agree in some accounts but do to the punishment he received I dont think it would be for an extended period of time. Since there making him take a safety course I dont think there going to strip his rights to be a gun owner away, nor should they. More than likely after completion of the course he'll be able to pack heat again.IF he does not come out of this with a felony, and IF he completes his required conditions....which may include a certain period of years in which he cannot own or possess, then yes, he may get the ability again some time to either own/possess/carry.
I think we need to wait and see what conditions are put on him pursuant to his sentencing.
IF he does not come out of this with a felony, and IF he completes his required conditions....which may include a certain period of years in which he cannot own or possess, then yes, he may get the ability again some time to either own/possess/carry.
I think we need to wait and see what conditions are put on him pursuant to his sentencing.
I agree.
I do agree the idea of a gun safety class seems to indicate the plan isn't to slap him with a felony where owning a handgun is prohibited for the remainder of his life. Sounds like the deal is struck IMO, but as you said, no use speculating on what or what might not happen.
Right??
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But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.
Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?
nmills said:
Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?Not to get technical here....but no in this case.
How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession.
I have been through a few gun safety courses. First with my Grandfather, then Uncle Sam, them the state of Tennessee.
In every one of them a real gun is used. If not, it's like teaching a carpenter his trade without allowing him to handle a hammer or saw.
Kind of pointless to be honest.
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nmills said:
Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?Not to get technical here....but no in this case.
How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession.
I have been through a few gun safety courses. First with my Grandfather, then Uncle Sam, them the state of Tennessee.
In every one of them a real gun is used. If not, it's like teaching a carpenter his trade without allowing him to handle a hammer or saw.
Kind of pointless to be honest.
Not to get technical here....but no in this case. I agree
How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession. you dont have to own to be in possession but if you own arent you possessing?
I know my dad had a felony and when I bought my first gun I had to put it in my step mom's name because he was not allowed to own or possess
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can't wait until september 12
gun control is a tight, 5 shot diamond shaped pattern
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Formerly Stone said:
Our first spineless liberal response..................that is funny LIBERAL response..................
too funny...............brilliant
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