Rogers Update
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nmills said:
I agree in some accounts but do to the punishment he received I dont think it would be for an extended period of time. Since there making him take a safety course I dont think there going to strip his rights to be a gun owner away, nor should they. More than likely after completion of the course he'll be able to pack heat again.IF he does not come out of this with a felony, and IF he completes his required conditions....which may include a certain period of years in which he cannot own or possess, then yes, he may get the ability again some time to either own/possess/carry.
I think we need to wait and see what conditions are put on him pursuant to his sentencing.
IF he does not come out of this with a felony, and IF he completes his required conditions....which may include a certain period of years in which he cannot own or possess, then yes, he may get the ability again some time to either own/possess/carry.
I think we need to wait and see what conditions are put on him pursuant to his sentencing.
I agree.
I do agree the idea of a gun safety class seems to indicate the plan isn't to slap him with a felony where owning a handgun is prohibited for the remainder of his life. Sounds like the deal is struck IMO, but as you said, no use speculating on what or what might not happen.
Right??
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But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.
Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?
nmills said:
Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?Not to get technical here....but no in this case.
How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession.
I have been through a few gun safety courses. First with my Grandfather, then Uncle Sam, them the state of Tennessee.
In every one of them a real gun is used. If not, it's like teaching a carpenter his trade without allowing him to handle a hammer or saw.
Kind of pointless to be honest.
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nmills said:
Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?Not to get technical here....but no in this case.
How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession.
I have been through a few gun safety courses. First with my Grandfather, then Uncle Sam, them the state of Tennessee.
In every one of them a real gun is used. If not, it's like teaching a carpenter his trade without allowing him to handle a hammer or saw.
Kind of pointless to be honest.
Not to get technical here....but no in this case. I agree
How could a person be required take a gun safety course and not be in possession of a firearm?? The law prohibiting isn't owning a firearm, it's possessing a firearm. One doesn't have to own to be in possession. you dont have to own to be in possession but if you own arent you possessing?
I know my dad had a felony and when I bought my first gun I had to put it in my step mom's name because he was not allowed to own or possess
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can't wait until september 12
gun control is a tight, 5 shot diamond shaped pattern
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Formerly Stone said:
Our first spineless liberal response..................that is funny LIBERAL response..................
too funny...............brilliant
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Lets face it folks Rogers is a fat useless slob who cannot play three downs full throttle without being gassed.
He is useless crap and will be out of football before he can help us win anything
Right now the best thing we can do is trade him for a pick and hope.
because he will lead us nowhere in his time here
Thanks Sewage for that Swine
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The right to think the world was flat is operational
The right to think the sun revolves around the earth is operational as well
Time to make the right to own hand guns..............less than operational
want to bear arms OWN a rifle or a Tank........
oops owning tanks are illegal
take it up with the supreme court
sumtimes stupid laws keep on the books because of stupid people.........hand guns have no place in civilization
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I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
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Grinder said:
guns are the reason you live in a free country, take them away and you will be a slave. then you will have to watch soccer instead of football.one good thing is if he gets a 2 game suspension he will be fresh doown the stretch.
now that answer was just plain quizzical........guns are the reason this a free country...........BOOK it as the most interesting thing ever posted or written anywhere....
BTW, we are not free.......try buying a tank and bringing it home as your gun.............
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I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
I think he wants to buy a tank?.......but wouldn't it be hard navigating the shitty hills of Pittsburgh in a tank?.....maybe he can run over sidney crosby and ben rothlisburger in his tank....that would be awesome...........
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But, again, a condition of that remedy may be that he not own or possess a firearm for some period. That is purely within the discretion of the judicial officer to impose.
Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?
nmills said:
Here's a question since your much smarter about the judicial system than I am. If the court sets milestones for you to accomplish in order for charges to be dropped and you complete them all. Your not charged with any crime, can they still enforce a suspension after charges have been dropped?A suspension? Not sure what you mean by "suspension". The NFL absolutely can issue a suspension to a player even if charges are never brought, charged, whatever. Note the BR case. No charges were ever filed, yet the NFL suspended him.
If you are talking about another arena, as in "can a court suspend a persons right to carry a weapon even though that person has successfully completed the terms of his diversionary program and the charges against him dismissed" I believe the answer their lies completely within the discretion of the court. "Not owning or possessing a weapon for some period" may in fact be one of those "milestones" you refer to that he may have to accomplish.
It is difficult to say. You have to see what the complete terms of conditions of his diversionary program are.
But, yes, it is certainly possible that his "right to carry a weapon" could be reinstated after he has successfully completed a diversionary program. He would not fall under the "convicted felon" category that would cause him to be "under disability".
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07/15/2010 07/15/2010 N/A CS COURT COST ASSESSED SHAUN C ROGERS BILL AMOUNT 308 PAID AMOUNT 0 AMOUNT DUE 308
07/15/2010 07/15/2010 D1 CS REPARATION FEE RC 2743.70 ; 2937.22 ; 2949.091
07/15/2010 07/15/2010 D1 DR COURT REPORTER FEE
07/15/2010 07/15/2010 P MO MOTION FILED FOR SUPPLEMENTAL DIVERSION AGREEMENT, FILED.
07/15/2010 07/15/2010 P MO MOTION FILED FOR FORFEITURE AGREEMENT, FILED.
07/15/2010 07/15/2010 P MO DIVERSION WAIVER FORM, FILED.
07/15/2010 07/15/2010 P MO DIVERSION AGREEMENT, FILED.
07/15/2010 07/15/2010 N/A BN $1,000.00 PERSONAL BOND POSTED ON 07/15/2010 BY DEFENDANT. BOND NO. 579114
07/15/2010 07/15/2010 N/A CS PRISONER IN COURT
07/15/2010 07/15/2010 N/A JE DEFENDANT PRESENT WITH COUNSEL. DEFENDANT RETAINED D'ANGELO, PATRICK A AS COUNSEL. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF R.C. 2935.36, THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE HAS FOUND THAT THE DEFENDANT HAS MET ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCEPTANCE INTO THE CUYAHOGA COUNTY PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION PROGRAM. THE DEFENDANT, AS A CONDITION OF PARTICIPATION IN THE CUYAHOGA COUNTY PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION PROGRAM, HAS KNOWINGLY, VOLUNTARILY, AND INTELLIGENTLY WAIVED HIS/HER CONSTITUTIONAL AND STATUTORY RIGHTS TO A SPEEDY TRIAL, FROM THE DATE OF HIS/HER REFERRAL TO THE PROGRAM, UNTIL THE DATE HIS/HER PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM TERMINATES. SPECIFICALLY, THE DEFENDANT HAS WAIVED HIS/HER RIGHT TO HAVE THE CASE BROUGHT TO TRIAL WITHIN 90 DAYS OF HIS/HER ARREST AND FORMAL CHARGE(S), IF HE/SHE IS INCARCERATED, OR 270 DAYS IF HIS/HER ARREST AND FORMAL CHARGE(S), IF HE/SHE IS NOT INCARCERATED. FURTHERMORE, IF THE DEFENDANT FAILS TO COMPLETE THE PROGRAM, HE/SHE HAS GIVEN UP THE RIGHT TO HAVE THE GRAND JURY TAKE FINAL ACTION ON THIS CASE AND AGREES TO BE CHARGED BY WAY OF INFORMATION. THE DEFENDANT HAS WAIVED ALL PERIODS OF LIMITATION ESTABLISHED BY STATUTE OR RULE(S) OF COURT, THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE OFFENSE(S) FOR WHICH HE/SHE MAY BE CHARGED. IN ALL CASES ADMITTED INTO THE DIVERSION PROGRAM, THE DEFENDANT SHALL BE GRANTED A $1000.00 PERSONAL BOND (CSR), AND SHALL BE PLACED UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT'S COURT SUPERVISED RELEASE PROGRAM/DIVERSION UNIT. UPON CONSIDERATION, THE COURT HEREBY APPROVES THE DEFENDANT'S PARTICIPATION IN SAID PROGRAM, AND ORDERS THAT THIS CASE TO BE PLACED IN AN INACTIVE STATUS UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. WAIVED RIGHTS ORIG BOND CONT AT 1,000.00 DOLLARS. BOND TYPE: PERSONAL. . JUDGE PROGRAM, DIVERSION (296) ASSIGNED (MANUALLY).
07/15/2010 07/15/2010 N/A GP PERSONAL BOND SET , AMOUNT $1,000.00 / (CSR), AND SHALL BE PLACED UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE PROBATION DEPARTMENT'S COURT SUPERVISED RELEASE PROGRAM/DIVERSION UNIT.
07/12/2010 07/12/2010 N/A SC ARRAIGNMENT SET FOR 07/15/2010 AT 08:30 AM
07/12/2010 07/12/2010 N/A SF LEGAL RESEARCH
07/12/2010 07/12/2010 N/A SF CRIME STOPPERS
07/12/2010 07/12/2010 N/A SF COMPUTER FEE
07/12/2010 07/12/2010 N/A SF CLERK FEE
04/03/2010 04/03/2010 N/A CS CLEVELAND MUNI COURT COST, CASE 10CRA009897
04/03/2010 04/03/2010 N/A GP 10% CASH BOND SET AND POSTED, AMOUNT $1,000.00
04/03/2010 04/03/2010 N/A CR TRANSCRIPT FILED
04/03/2010 04/03/2010 N/A CR BINDOVER CIF#CI102055AF
04/03/2010 04/03/2010 N/A CR CIF ENTERED
04/01/2010 04/03/2010 N/A CR DATE OF OFFENSE 04/01/2010
04/01/2010 04/03/2010 N/A CR ARRESTED 04/01/2010
What you don't see here are the terms and conditions of his "supervision" while in the diversionary program.
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I think he wants to buy a tank?.......but wouldn't it be hard navigating the shitty hills of Pittsburgh in a tank?.....maybe he can run over sidney crosby and ben rothlisburger in his tank....that would be awesome...........
that was cool. I want my right to bear arms. I want to buy a tank! Ballpeen, if tanks are illegal at one end of the spectrum then hand guns can be too and the other end of the spectrum. They serve no purpose but to shoot people, often a friend or relative or in a hate crime. Want defense get a rifle or a tank. That's my view and I am sticking with it. Anyone, know where I get a good used Abrams A1
Now I do understand that exception would have be made for those who need handguns for certain activities or situations.
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I think he wants to buy a tank?.......but wouldn't it be hard navigating the shitty hills of Pittsburgh in a tank?.....maybe he can run over sidney crosby and ben rothlisburger in his tank....that would be awesome...........
that was cool. I want my right to bear arms. I want to buy a tank! Ballpeen, if tanks are illegal at one end of the spectrum then hand guns can be too and the other end of the spectrum. They serve no purpose but to shoot people, often a friend or relative or in a hate crime. Want defense get a rifle or a tank. That's my view and I am sticking with it. Anyone, know where I get a good used Abrams A1
Now I do understand that exception would have be made for those who need handguns for certain activities or situations.
that was cool. I want my right to bear arms. I want to buy a tank! Ballpeen, if tanks are illegal at one end of the spectrum then hand guns can be too and the other end of the spectrum. They serve no purpose but to shoot people, often a friend or relative or in a hate crime. Want defense get a rifle or a tank. That's my view and I am sticking with it. Anyone, know where I get a good used Abrams A1
They gotta few tanks 5 minutes from my house at the Ravenna arsenal...good luck gettin one
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Do you have a price and are the treads good..........I need a fast tank with a big barrel..........how many miles on em?
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Do you have a price and are the treads good..........I need a fast tank with a big barrel..........how many miles on em?
Do you have a price and are the treads good..........I need a fast tank with a big barrel..........how many miles on em?
The price would probably be your life, there's a little sand in the treads to
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Sure he is a big ass, but he's a beast on the field. He simply pushes guys out of hiw way and he plays full go every down. Does he get special treatment at practice and exhibition games? Sure.
i'm pissed because he is an idiot and will likely be suspended. But he makes an impact when he is in there.
The Indians spend time with their developmental players teaching them how to speak English. i guess Lerner needs to hire specialist to teach his players how to pack for an airplane ride.
on some plays when he plays about 1 of four.............the rest of time he is resting or on the sidelines .......he is a useless piece of shit..............that sums up this experiment
on some plays when he plays about 1 of four.............the rest of time he is resting or on the sidelines .......he is a useless piece of shit..............that sums up this experiment
you nailed it......this slug is nothin but a wasted roster position.......how can he be anything but a demotivating factor to his teamates who get the team concept and how it is their responsibility to play balls to the
wall each and every time they are on the field...he is a liability that will never help the Browns win ball games......here's hoping his continued nonhackin' "career" with the Browns is quickly spiraling to a finale
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