AFC North predictions
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That line last year was middle of the road in run blocking and only had 9 rushing TDs while giving up the second most sacks in the NFL. Do you think replacing Colon with an over the hill Adams is going to help that. Also, while I think Pouncey will be good, using a rookie at center is not a recipe for success either.
Flozell Adams will adjust and before you go spouting off rushing statistics you may want to A. Look at the number of pass attempts vs rush attempts and B. Factor in the fact that Mendenhall didn't go the full season. As far as Pouncey is concerned or rookie centers in general it depends on the intelligence of said player in obvious conjunction with athletic ability. Pouncey apparently has plenty of both. I also expect our offensive line to be much more physical with Sean Kugler now the offensive line coach. He preaches mean streak and I believe that's what he'll get. The offensive line will be solid and Pittsburgh will be deep in the playoffs. Once again I love that people are sleeping on the Steelers. Dixon or Lefwich for that matter are very capable of getting 2-3 wins in that 4 game stint. Hell I'd go as far as saying 4 wins if Dixon gets the start just because of his ability to run and the would be prowess of our defense. Everyone is going to sh.it their pants if Pittsburgh comes out of that suspension at 4-0. Big Ben has also had a flawless camp and is apparently in the best shape of his career.
Homotron said:
Flozell Adams will adjust and before you go spouting off rushing statistics you may want to A. Look at the number of pass attempts vs rush attempts and B. Factor in the fact that Mendenhall didn't go the full season. As far as Pouncey is concerned or rookie centers in general it depends on the intelligence of said player in obvious conjunction with athletic ability. Pouncey apparently has plenty of both. I also expect our offensive line to be much more physical with Sean Kugler now the offensive line coach. He preaches mean streak and I believe that's what he'll get. The offensive line will be solid and Pittsburgh will be deep in the playoffs. Once again I love that people are sleeping on the Steelers. Dixon or Lefwich for that matter are very capable of getting 2-3 wins in that 4 game stint. Hell I'd go as far as saying 4 wins if Dixon gets the start just because of his ability to run and the would be prowess of our defense. Everyone is going to sh.it their pants if Pittsburgh comes out of that suspension at 4-0. Big Ben has also had a flawless camp and is apparently in the best shape of his career.You keep talking about Adams "settling in" and "adjusting", none of that helps the fact that he is a horrible pass protector and a penalty machine.
2009
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
Are you ready for this?
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
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Homotron said:
Flozell Adams will adjust and before you go spouting off rushing statistics you may want to A. Look at the number of pass attempts vs rush attempts and B. Factor in the fact that Mendenhall didn't go the full season. As far as Pouncey is concerned or rookie centers in general it depends on the intelligence of said player in obvious conjunction with athletic ability. Pouncey apparently has plenty of both. I also expect our offensive line to be much more physical with Sean Kugler now the offensive line coach. He preaches mean streak and I believe that's what he'll get. The offensive line will be solid and Pittsburgh will be deep in the playoffs. Once again I love that people are sleeping on the Steelers. Dixon or Lefwich for that matter are very capable of getting 2-3 wins in that 4 game stint. Hell I'd go as far as saying 4 wins if Dixon gets the start just because of his ability to run and the would be prowess of our defense. Everyone is going to sh.it their pants if Pittsburgh comes out of that suspension at 4-0. Big Ben has also had a flawless camp and is apparently in the best shape of his career.You keep talking about Adams "settling in" and "adjusting", none of that helps the fact that he is a horrible pass protector and a penalty machine.
2009
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
Are you ready for this?
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
You keep talking about Adams "settling in" and "adjusting", none of that helps the fact that he is a horrible pass protector and a penalty machine.
2009
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
Are you ready for this?
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Pittsburgh didn't take a flyer on him because of his ability to pass protect. Look at his run play stats, completely different animal and precisely why Pittsburgh took the Adams leap. He'll adjust to the RT position and be what he needs to be when we run the ball. He doesn't have to go against the top DE/LB pass rush at RT. All we need is for him to be marginal in pass protection and above average on the run. He fits the bill on the run.
As I'm sure you know the LT position is a different position. He'll do fine at RT and if he doesn't they'll cut him and plug someone else in...
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Zombo said:
You are hoping your starting right tackle can be "marginal" at pass protection? You know ... they came from the right-side too. Are you also hoping that your receivers are "decent catchers" that your running backs are "kinda fast" and that your quarterbacks are"sorta accurate"?Zombo
I'm just saying that Pittsburgh didn't take a chance on him because of his ability to pass protect. Marginal aka middle of the road will do just fine at RT because the last i checked Ben is pretty damn mobile and at least he can see whomever coming from the right side and do something about it. As far as everything else is concerned I don't need to hope. We have plenty of speed at those respective positions.
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Zombo said:
You are hoping your starting right tackle can be "marginal" at pass protection? You know ... they came from the right-side too. Are you also hoping that your receivers are "decent catchers" that your running backs are "kinda fast" and that your quarterbacks are"sorta accurate"?Zombo
I'm just saying that Pittsburgh didn't take a chance on him because of his ability to pass protect. Marginal aka middle of the road will do just fine at RT because the last i checked Ben is pretty damn mobile and at least he can see whomever coming from the right side and do something about it. As far as everything else is concerned I don't need to hope. We have plenty of speed at those respective positions.
Homotron said:
I'm just saying that Pittsburgh didn't take a chance on him because of his ability to pass protect. Marginal aka middle of the road will do just fine at RT because the last i checked Ben is pretty damn mobile and at least he can see whomever coming from the right side and do something about it. As far as everything else is concerned I don't need to hope. We have plenty of speed at those respective positions.The problem is that who do you have to replace Adams? Hint, hint: There aren't all any. They all suck.
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Homotron said:
Flozell Adams will adjust and before you go spouting off rushing statistics you may want to A. Look at the number of pass attempts vs rush attempts and B. Factor in the fact that Mendenhall didn't go the full season. As far as Pouncey is concerned or rookie centers in general it depends on the intelligence of said player in obvious conjunction with athletic ability. Pouncey apparently has plenty of both. I also expect our offensive line to be much more physical with Sean Kugler now the offensive line coach. He preaches mean streak and I believe that's what he'll get. The offensive line will be solid and Pittsburgh will be deep in the playoffs. Once again I love that people are sleeping on the Steelers. Dixon or Lefwich for that matter are very capable of getting 2-3 wins in that 4 game stint. Hell I'd go as far as saying 4 wins if Dixon gets the start just because of his ability to run and the would be prowess of our defense. Everyone is going to sh.it their pants if Pittsburgh comes out of that suspension at 4-0. Big Ben has also had a flawless camp and is apparently in the best shape of his career.You keep talking about Adams "settling in" and "adjusting", none of that helps the fact that he is a horrible pass protector and a penalty machine.
2009
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
Are you ready for this?
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
You keep talking about Adams "settling in" and "adjusting", none of that helps the fact that he is a horrible pass protector and a penalty machine.
2009
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
Are you ready for this?
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Yes, this "gentleman" only sees it one way: "Delhomme is over the hill and will be terrible" ...But....Adams will "settle in and adjust".
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You keep talking about Adams "settling in" and "adjusting", none of that helps the fact that he is a horrible pass protector and a penalty machine.
2009
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
Are you ready for this?
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Pittsburgh didn't take a flyer on him because of his ability to pass protect. Look at his run play stats, completely different animal and precisely why Pittsburgh took the Adams leap. He'll adjust to the RT position and be what he needs to be when we run the ball. He doesn't have to go against the top DE/LB pass rush at RT. All we need is for him to be marginal in pass protection and above average on the run. He fits the bill on the run.
As I'm sure you know the LT position is a different position. He'll do fine at RT and if he doesn't they'll cut him and plug someone else in...
Homotron said:
Pittsburgh didn't take a flyer on him because of his ability to pass protect. Look at his run play stats, completely different animal and precisely why Pittsburgh took the Adams leap. He'll adjust to the RT position and be what he needs to be when we run the ball. He doesn't have to go against the top DE/LB pass rush at RT. All we need is for him to be marginal in pass protection and above average on the run. He fits the bill on the run.As I'm sure you know the LT position is a different position. He'll do fine at RT and if he doesn't they'll cut him and plug someone else in...
You don't think DEs get moved around? He is what he is, a liability in the passing game and an above average run blocker with declining skills. He was at the top of the dung pile in free agent Tackles and was the best the Steelers could do. I was just trying to point out that your earlier statement about this line and the line they won the SB with were virtually the same was way off.
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Homotron said:
I'm just saying that Pittsburgh didn't take a chance on him because of his ability to pass protect. Marginal aka middle of the road will do just fine at RT because the last i checked Ben is pretty damn mobile and at least he can see whomever coming from the right side and do something about it. As far as everything else is concerned I don't need to hope. We have plenty of speed at those respective positions.The problem is that who do you have to replace Adams? Hint, hint: There aren't all any. They all suck.
The problem is that who do you have to replace Adams? Hint, hint: There aren't all any. They all suck.
Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, Tony Hills. Someone can certainly step over there. Tony Hills played pretty well in the first preseason game. Pittsburgh always has someone to step in and that's the difference between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams.
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Homotron said:
Pittsburgh didn't take a flyer on him because of his ability to pass protect. Look at his run play stats, completely different animal and precisely why Pittsburgh took the Adams leap. He'll adjust to the RT position and be what he needs to be when we run the ball. He doesn't have to go against the top DE/LB pass rush at RT. All we need is for him to be marginal in pass protection and above average on the run. He fits the bill on the run.As I'm sure you know the LT position is a different position. He'll do fine at RT and if he doesn't they'll cut him and plug someone else in...
You don't think DEs get moved around? He is what he is, a liability in the passing game and an above average run blocker with declining skills. He was at the top of the dung pile in free agent Tackles and was the best the Steelers could do. I was just trying to point out that your earlier statement about this line and the line they won the SB with were virtually the same was way off.
You don't think DEs get moved around? He is what he is, a liability in the passing game and an above average run blocker with declining skills. He was at the top of the dung pile in free agent Tackles and was the best the Steelers could do. I was just trying to point out that your earlier statement about this line and the line they won the SB with were virtually the same was way off.
Way off? The only difference is no Willie Colon and the addition of a very promising rookie. The line will certainly be more gelled than last year and Sean Kugler appears to be one hell of a offensive line coach. He made something out of nothing in Buffalo and projects the Steelers smash mouth mentality. I'm glad people are doubting the Steelers. I can't say that enough at this point.
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The problem is that who do you have to replace Adams? Hint, hint: There aren't all any. They all suck.
Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, Tony Hills. Someone can certainly step over there. Tony Hills played pretty well in the first preseason game. Pittsburgh always has someone to step in and that's the difference between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams.
Homotron said:
Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, Tony Hills. Someone can certainly step over there. Tony Hills played pretty well in the first preseason game. Pittsburgh always has someone to step in and that's the difference between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams.What the difference is between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams is quite simply this: Dick LeBeau.
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You keep talking about Adams "settling in" and "adjusting", none of that helps the fact that he is a horrible pass protector and a penalty machine.
2009
Willie Colon -- 9 penalties, 6 sacks allowed, 4 hits allowed, 5 QB pressures allowed
Max Starks -- 7 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 8 hits allowed, 15 QB pressures allowed
Are you ready for this?
Flozell Adams -- 13 penalties, 8 sacks allowed, 7 hits allowed, 34 QB pressures allowed
Yes, this "gentleman" only sees it one way: "Delhomme is over the hill and will be terrible" ...But....Adams will "settle in and adjust".
Yes, this "gentleman" only sees it one way: "Delhomme is over the hill and will be terrible" ...But....Adams will "settle in and adjust".
A QB and a offensive tackle are like trying to compare Kate Beckinsale to Barbara Walters based on level of attraction. One commands the offense the other is merely a part of one. Jake Delhomme is f.ucking terrible and if Adams is he'll get cut and we'll move someone else over. You're problem will be season long. Ours will is easily eliminated. Adams did not get a front loaded contract. We cut him it's of minimal consequence.
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Homotron said:
Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, Tony Hills. Someone can certainly step over there. Tony Hills played pretty well in the first preseason game. Pittsburgh always has someone to step in and that's the difference between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams.What the difference is between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams is quite simply this: Dick LeBeau.
What the difference is between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams is quite simply this: Dick LeBeau.
lol oh really? Pittsburgh wins balls games because of Dick Lebeau and only because of Dick Lebeau? It has nothing to do with the talent laden roster and the coaching else where? You really are delusional. Dick Leabeau is the man but that defense is still a tremendous defense without Dick Lebeau BUT GET THIS we HAVE Dick Lebeau and he isn't going anywhere. I guess that means we'll continue to win and you'll continue to lose.
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Ravens 11-5
Browns 10-6
Bengals 7-9
Steelers 6-10
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baltimore will take it,
then cinncinn will beat out the squealers.
then sadly, our brownies.
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here's something to think about, in regards to ben and pittsburgh's oline issues. ben has about 3-4 nfl related concussions and 1 non nfl related concussion (motorcycle incident). how much more physical abuse will this guy get from being behind a suspect oline till he racks up one too many concussions? the nfl's new policies on concussions are very strict. a certain amount of concussions and you'll be forced to retire.
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i believe he'd invite that SJ.
hello paid vacation for life!!
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Yes, this "gentleman" only sees it one way: "Delhomme is over the hill and will be terrible" ...But....Adams will "settle in and adjust".
A QB and a offensive tackle are like trying to compare Kate Beckinsale to Barbara Walters based on level of attraction. One commands the offense the other is merely a part of one. Jake Delhomme is f.ucking terrible and if Adams is he'll get cut and we'll move someone else over. You're problem will be season long. Ours will is easily eliminated. Adams did not get a front loaded contract. We cut him it's of minimal consequence.
Homotron said:
A QB and a offensive tackle are like trying to compare Kate Beckinsale to Barbara Walters based on level of attraction. One commands the offense the other is merely a part of one. Jake Delhomme is f.ucking terrible and if Adams is he'll get cut and we'll move someone else over. You're problem will be season long. Ours will is easily eliminated. Adams did not get a front loaded contract. We cut him it's of minimal consequence.Well, that is just your way of minimizing the problem you face.
Despite the potential difference of importance in the positions, the analysis is still the same. You think that Adams will adjust and settle in....simply because he is now a Steeler. You don't think Delhomme will adjust and settle in....simply because he is a Brown. That is the bottom line with you, pure and simple.
If Delhomme is terrible he'll get cut and we'll move someone else in. If Adams is terrible he may be cut and someone else moved in. If that is the case, your problem at RT will endure just as long as our problem at QB.
We believe we do have a competent backup to put in at QB right now. A semi-proven veteran. Can you say the same for your RT position?
Yes, the positions may not be of equal importance, but the analysis is the same.
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What the difference is between Pittsburgh and a lot of teams is quite simply this: Dick LeBeau.
lol oh really? Pittsburgh wins balls games because of Dick Lebeau and only because of Dick Lebeau? It has nothing to do with the talent laden roster and the coaching else where? You really are delusional. Dick Leabeau is the man but that defense is still a tremendous defense without Dick Lebeau BUT GET THIS we HAVE Dick Lebeau and he isn't going anywhere. I guess that means we'll continue to win and you'll continue to lose.
Homotron said:
lol oh really? Pittsburgh wins balls games because of Dick Lebeau and only because of Dick Lebeau? It has nothing to do with the talent laden roster and the coaching else where? You really are delusional. Dick Leabeau is the man but that defense is still a tremendous defense without Dick Lebeau BUT GET THIS we HAVE Dick Lebeau and he isn't going anywhere. I guess that means we'll continue to win and you'll continue to lose.See, this is why I am a person of knowledge and experience and you're not: YES, except for maybe one or two players the talent on the Steelers defense has not been appreciably better really than the talent the Browns have had on defense over the years.
Those guys have performed so well BECAUSE they were coached by LeBeau.
Here is what I have seen and experienced in my days: The Browns of yore were greatly talented because they had Paul Brown coaching them. The Packers achieved what they achieved in the 60s because they had Lombardi coaching them. The Dolphins where so great because they had Shula coaching them, the same with the Cowboys with Landry, the 49ers with Walsh, the Steelers with Noll, the Patriots with Belichick. Do you think the Pats would have won 3 SBs plus appeared in another if Romeo Crennell had been their HC instead of BB? Coaching makes a tremendous amout of difference. LeBeau is perhaps considered the greatest Asst. coach/coordinator in history.
The sad thing is, you're right. LeBeau is there and he is not going anywhere....good for you. So, you need to realize how lucky you are.....and that is what the Steelers success partially comes down to: a little luck that you got him.
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Homotron said:
lol oh really? Pittsburgh wins balls games because of Dick Lebeau and only because of Dick Lebeau? It has nothing to do with the talent laden roster and the coaching else where? You really are delusional. Dick Leabeau is the man but that defense is still a tremendous defense without Dick Lebeau BUT GET THIS we HAVE Dick Lebeau and he isn't going anywhere. I guess that means we'll continue to win and you'll continue to lose.See, this is why I am a person of knowledge and experience and you're not: YES, except for maybe one or two players the talent on the Steelers defense has not been appreciably better really than the talent the Browns have had on defense over the years.
Those guys have performed so well BECAUSE they were coached by LeBeau.
Here is what I have seen and experienced in my days: The Browns of yore were greatly talented because they had Paul Brown coaching them. The Packers achieved what they achieved in the 60s because they had Lombardi coaching them. The Dolphins where so great because they had Shula coaching them, the same with the Cowboys with Landry, the 49ers with Walsh, the Steelers with Noll, the Patriots with Belichick. Do you think the Pats would have won 3 SBs plus appeared in another if Romeo Crennell had been their HC instead of BB? Coaching makes a tremendous amout of difference. LeBeau is perhaps considered the greatest Asst. coach/coordinator in history.
The sad thing is, you're right. LeBeau is there and he is not going anywhere....good for you. So, you need to realize how lucky you are.....and that is what the Steelers success partially comes down to: a little luck that you got him.
See, this is why I am a person of knowledge and experience and you're not: YES, except for maybe one or two players the talent on the Steelers defense has not been appreciably better really than the talent the Browns have had on defense over the years.
Those guys have performed so well BECAUSE they were coached by LeBeau.
Here is what I have seen and experienced in my days: The Browns of yore were greatly talented because they had Paul Brown coaching them. The Packers achieved what they achieved in the 60s because they had Lombardi coaching them. The Dolphins where so great because they had Shula coaching them, the same with the Cowboys with Landry, the 49ers with Walsh, the Steelers with Noll, the Patriots with Belichick. Do you think the Pats would have won 3 SBs plus appeared in another if Romeo Crennell had been their HC instead of BB? Coaching makes a tremendous amout of difference. LeBeau is perhaps considered the greatest Asst. coach/coordinator in history.
The sad thing is, you're right. LeBeau is there and he is not going anywhere....good for you. So, you need to realize how lucky you are.....and that is what the Steelers success partially comes down to: a little luck that you got him.
I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
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See, this is why I am a person of knowledge and experience and you're not: YES, except for maybe one or two players the talent on the Steelers defense has not been appreciably better really than the talent the Browns have had on defense over the years.
Those guys have performed so well BECAUSE they were coached by LeBeau.
Here is what I have seen and experienced in my days: The Browns of yore were greatly talented because they had Paul Brown coaching them. The Packers achieved what they achieved in the 60s because they had Lombardi coaching them. The Dolphins where so great because they had Shula coaching them, the same with the Cowboys with Landry, the 49ers with Walsh, the Steelers with Noll, the Patriots with Belichick. Do you think the Pats would have won 3 SBs plus appeared in another if Romeo Crennell had been their HC instead of BB? Coaching makes a tremendous amout of difference. LeBeau is perhaps considered the greatest Asst. coach/coordinator in history.
The sad thing is, you're right. LeBeau is there and he is not going anywhere....good for you. So, you need to realize how lucky you are.....and that is what the Steelers success partially comes down to: a little luck that you got him.
I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
I agree that coaching is a huge part of how a defense fares but to say that the Browns have had comparable talent to Pittsburgh over the last several years on defense is insane. No matter how good a coach you are, to have a premier defense you have to have the horses to pull the plow.
OK, they haven't quite had the same talent, but the disparity in performance is due to far more than the disparity in talent.
As I have said many times, LeBeau epitomizes the old statement made by Bum Phillips about Don Shula: "He can take his'n and beat your'n, or he can take your'n and beat his'n". LeBeau could have probably taken the talent that the Browns have had over the years and gotten them to play better than the talent he has had with the Steelers over the years...even though that talent the Steelers have had is/was innately better than that of the Browns.
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