Cavs Draft
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mikeyP72 said:
Thompson will be able to play right away and Valanciunus won't.
I don't see why we need a PF, unless JJ is as good as gone.... The Thompson pick makes no sense, unless we are packaging Hickson to get into the first round again.
I say we take Derrick Williams and Kanter if available then see what we've got with Sessions, Boobie and Boom Davis at PG....
Then in round 2 we take a SG like Nolan Smith or Lighty if available.
If we take Irving we should get rid of Sessions and the TPE to get into the mid 1st round and make a play for a SF like Singleton or Marshon Brooks like I said before.
I just don't like drafting on a hunch of a BPA, when we have NEEDS, multiple.
Agreed...I have said all along that I want Williams @ #1. I don't see how ANYONE can be convinced based on 11 games that Irving is the best player in this draft!? And the Cavs have glaring holes at the 2 & 3 & 5. Could they use a true 1? Probably...but why can't we see just what we really have with Sessions? Get him a couple guys that can score at the 2 & 3 and get someone to clog up the middle. If Sessions is NOT the right guy, then you can bring in a PG in the draft next year and he will have some solid players around him to lean on rather than a group of rookies like Irving would have this year. I say grab Williams at one and see what else you can get from there...but fill the biggest holes first...not the one you actually have some solid depth at.
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The Thompson talk was to work out a trade with Charlotte, they wanted to move ahead of Detroit because they thought they would take him and we wanted to move down and take Jonas V. But now the Bobcats just traded to get the 7th pick, ahead of the Pistons, son now its an unlikely trade
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Atlanta's trying to trade Josh Smith for the 2nd pick to acquire Kanter. If he's there at 4, I really hope we make that trade.
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Can't get mad at Grant for the Thompson pick...That was ALL Dan Gilbert! But the second round? Really? 2 picks and we walk away with 2 "future" picks and a guy that may not even come here to play? While I won't say that we got worse...like someone else did, I will say that we did't improve nearly as much as we should have. We went into this draft in dire need of a SF, SG, and a C. And everyone WANTED the franchise PG. We walked away still needing a SF, SG, and a C. Yep...that's progress!
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You need to realize we drafted the #1 pg in the draft. That was the Clippers pick by the way, and Grant made that transaction. If we never traded Mo we wouldnt have Irving. We would have had the #4 pick and would have had shit to choose from. Thompson is raw but not that raw, he was freshman of the year and almost averaged a double double. The dude has almost 2 steals and 2 blocks a game. He is a hustler that will play the 3 and guard the 3. His Offense will develope with time. Do some research on this guy before you knock him. 2nd rounders are exactly that, so dont be too pissy about the trade. we got more picks and didnt get even younger then we already are. One other thing congrats to Jon Diebler.
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I'm not saying the Cavs did well but you have to draft for best talent available, not for need. Drafting for need is a sure fire way to build a loser.
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mikeyP72 said:
So Tristan Thompson was BPA at 4 and the guy who will never play for the Cavs at 53 was BPA? Trading the #32 overall pick to Orlando for 2 FUTURE (likely late 2nd rounders) was a BPA move?
Obviously the Cavs thought so. I don't necessarily agree with them but the strategy is sound.
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Christian Eyenga would've been the best SG in this draft, he's on our team. Why reach for a guy when you already have your starter for the future. Guy has mad explosion and can shoot the rock, Eyenga and Irving's gonna be dominate
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Christian Eyenga would've been the best SG in this draft, he's on our team. Why reach for a guy when you already have your starter for the future. Guy has mad explosion and can shoot the rock, Eyenga and Irving's gonna be dominate
Christian Eyenga would've been the best SG in this draft, he's on our team. Why reach for a guy when you already have your starter for the future. Guy has mad explosion and can shoot the rock, Eyenga and Irving's gonna be dominate
Yes...I do think Eyenga has the physical ability to turn into a damn good player...I just hope he puts it all together real soon. He shuld be the starting SG this season. He can put up some points. But he can't carry a team...he's not that kind of player.
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mikeyP72 said:
ok lets say Eyenga graces the starting lineup....
starting line-up of Davis, Eyenga, Jamison, Hickson, Varejao with Irving, Sessions, Boobie, Gee, Thompson, Samuels and Hollins coming off the bench.
20-30 win team this year if no improvements are made through trades or F/A.. Still lacking shooters/scorers at SG/SF and a good rotation at center.
Agreed...I think this team will struggle to 20-30 wins...IF everyone stays healthy. If something happens to any of our starters...this team may struggle to get to the 15 win range. But...That is saying that nothing else happens before the season begins. There's a lot of time (and negotiating) left before then!
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mikeyP72 said:
ok lets say Eyenga graces the starting lineup....
starting line-up of Davis, Eyenga, Jamison, Hickson, Varejao with Irving, Sessions, Boobie, Gee, Thompson, Samuels and Hollins coming off the bench.
20-30 win team this year if no improvements are made through trades or F/A.. Still lacking shooters/scorers at SG/SF and a good rotation at center.
Agreed...I think this team will struggle to 20-30 wins...IF everyone stays healthy. If something happens to any of our starters...this team may struggle to get to the 15 win range. But...That is saying that nothing else happens before the season begins. There's a lot of time (and negotiating) left before then!
Agreed...I think this team will struggle to 20-30 wins...IF everyone stays healthy. If something happens to any of our starters...this team may struggle to get to the 15 win range. But...That is saying that nothing else happens before the season begins. There's a lot of time (and negotiating) left before then!
That could very well be the plan, were not going to the playoffs in 1 year. We can make some transactions to compete and end up with a mid round pick and be mediocre every year or we can play for the future, get some great talent in the draft and compete for championships over the long haul. The best interest of the team is to win 20-30 games next year, nobody wants to hear that but its reality.
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Cleveland isn't Dallas, we just had a hometown superstar leave. Your not going to be able to bring them type of guys in thru free agency. Not to mention Dirk is the best big in the game, the only way your getting that is drafting him. Those guys aren't walking around in the streets.
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mikeyP72 said:
ok lets say Eyenga graces the starting lineup....
starting line-up of Davis, Eyenga, Jamison, Hickson, Varejao with Irving, Sessions, Boobie, Gee, Thompson, Samuels and Hollins coming off the bench.
20-30 win team this year if no improvements are made through trades or F/A.. Still lacking shooters/scorers at SG/SF and a good rotation at center.
Agreed...I think this team will struggle to 20-30 wins...IF everyone stays healthy. If something happens to any of our starters...this team may struggle to get to the 15 win range. But...That is saying that nothing else happens before the season begins. There's a lot of time (and negotiating) left before then!
Agreed...I think this team will struggle to 20-30 wins...IF everyone stays healthy. If something happens to any of our starters...this team may struggle to get to the 15 win range. But...That is saying that nothing else happens before the season begins. There's a lot of time (and negotiating) left before then!
WTF? We had nearly 20 wins when everyone WASNT healthy. We spent most of last season without Mo Williams or Anderson Varejao and still eked out 26 wins.
We have improved at our 3 guard since last year...and Varejao is likely to be healthier coming into this next season. Even 50 games with Davis as our starting PG is still better than 30 games of Mo.
Yes, we are still not a playoff team...but last year we were down 60% of the previous years starting rotation...that's a BIG fall.
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Cleveland isn't Dallas, we just had a hometown superstar leave. Your not going to be able to bring them type of guys in thru free agency. Not to mention Dirk is the best big in the game, the only way your getting that is drafting him. Those guys aren't walking around in the streets.
Cleveland isn't Dallas, we just had a hometown superstar leave. Your not going to be able to bring them type of guys in thru free agency. Not to mention Dirk is the best big in the game, the only way your getting that is drafting him. Those guys aren't walking around in the streets.
Dirk is the best shooting big. Dwight is a far better player.
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mikeyP72 said:
I think Dirk showed he is a better player. Where is Dwight's ring? Dirk is a team player, an elite scorer, he can D up most bigs and has the passion for the game. Dwight is the premier center in the game because of the physical tools he has and his defense. I'd take Dirk though any day of the week for my franchise.
Take Dwight and Dirk off of their respective teams and let them play each other. Mavs win by at least 10 points. The Mavericks are a far deeper team than the Magic that is chock full of overpriced has beens who's names are far bigger than their games. Dirk's defense is improved...but hardly lockdown. If Dirk is the guy manning the low post, NBA players don't fear going inside.
This isn't Tennis where Champions are crowned based off of individual talent. This is basketball...it's a team sport. It requires a team. Want proof...look at the Cavs 60+ win seasons. It was Lebron and a couple of solid (but not great) role players (Varejao and Mo Williams being the two best)...and a bunch of players who were over the hill (Big Z, Jamison, Parker) or still learning the game (Hickson).
Dwight is the better player (though Dirk is the significantly better shooter).
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We had a pretty good draft, now that we know JJ wont be there and that Tristan will be the starting PF. We got a pretty good scorer in Cassipi and another 1st rounder in the super loaded 2012 draft. I think it has been a win on an off season.
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