We Are The 53%
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Flawed reasoning item #452: If these people just wanted to sit (and are currently sitting) on their ass doing nothing, then why even organize and rally for change?
I'm not going to hold my breath awaiting your answer.
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Flawed reasoning item #452: If these people just wanted to sit (and are currently sitting) on their ass doing nothing, then why even organize and rally for change?
I'm not going to hold my breath awaiting your answer.
Flawed reasoning item #452: If these people just wanted to sit (and are currently sitting) on their ass doing nothing, then why even organize and rally for change?
I'm not going to hold my breath awaiting your answer.
Not to mention occupiers are not looking for a handout. They are looking to change the grip that greed and corruption has on our political system.
1% pays for 99% of political campaigns, so who do you think politicians are going to serve? That's right! You guessed it! The 1%.
We the people deserve better. We the people, who work hard to pay off our student loans and pick up jobs below our pay rate to make ends meet, just to be laid-off a year later while in an insane amount of debt deserve better.
I'm guessing by you making this post you believe that the system is not flawed, politicians are not corrupt, and every unemployed person is just too lazy to find a job. If you disagree with the last sentence I typed then stop fighting us and join us because you ARE the 99%.
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Flawed reasoning item #452: If these people just wanted to sit (and are currently sitting) on their ass doing nothing, then why even organize and rally for change?
I'm not going to hold my breath awaiting your answer.
Not to mention occupiers are not looking for a handout. They are looking to change the grip that greed and corruption has on our political system.
1% pays for 99% of political campaigns, so who do you think politicians are going to serve? That's right! You guessed it! The 1%.
We the people deserve better. We the people, who work hard to pay off our student loans and pick up jobs below our pay rate to make ends meet, just to be laid-off a year later while in an insane amount of debt deserve better.
I'm guessing by you making this post you believe that the system is not flawed, politicians are not corrupt, and every unemployed person is just too lazy to find a job. If you disagree with the last sentence I typed then stop fighting us and join us because you ARE the 99%.
Not to mention occupiers are not looking for a handout. They are looking to change the grip that greed and corruption has on our political system.
1% pays for 99% of political campaigns, so who do you think politicians are going to serve? That's right! You guessed it! The 1%.
We the people deserve better. We the people, who work hard to pay off our student loans and pick up jobs below our pay rate to make ends meet, just to be laid-off a year later while in an insane amount of debt deserve better.
I'm guessing by you making this post you believe that the system is not flawed, politicians are not corrupt, and every unemployed person is just too lazy to find a job. If you disagree with the last sentence I typed then stop fighting us and join us because you ARE the 99%.
That's what I've been saying.
I have no idea where the notion that the 99%ers were asking for handouts came from. Since when is asking for a decent job sitting on your ass doing nothing? Don't you want people to have the drive to find better jobs?
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Not to mention occupiers are not looking for a handout. They are looking to change the grip that greed and corruption has on our political system.
1% pays for 99% of political campaigns, so who do you think politicians are going to serve? That's right! You guessed it! The 1%.
We the people deserve better. We the people, who work hard to pay off our student loans and pick up jobs below our pay rate to make ends meet, just to be laid-off a year later while in an insane amount of debt deserve better.
I'm guessing by you making this post you believe that the system is not flawed, politicians are not corrupt, and every unemployed person is just too lazy to find a job. If you disagree with the last sentence I typed then stop fighting us and join us because you ARE the 99%.
That's what I've been saying.
I have no idea where the notion that the 99%ers were asking for handouts came from. Since when is asking for a decent job sitting on your ass doing nothing? Don't you want people to have the drive to find better jobs?
That's what I've been saying.
I have no idea where the notion that the 99%ers were asking for handouts came from. Since when is asking for a decent job sitting on your ass doing nothing? Don't you want people to have the drive to find better jobs?
It's because the corporate media doesn't like the message that OWS is sending. Therefore, the corporate media's strategy is to denigrate the group in any way possible and reduce their legitimacy.
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Hence the chopped-up and spliced interviews you see floating around, designed to make protesters look dumb.
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Hence the chopped-up and spliced interviews you see floating around, designed to make protesters look dumb.
Hence the chopped-up and spliced interviews you see floating around, designed to make protesters look dumb.
I watch and listen to a lot of non combative interviews of these people. I haven't heard anything that seems rooted in reality. Sure there sre some areas of concern most of us share but what's the point?
PE can you list 3 or 4 legitimate beefs and a rational solution that might be offered by the protest?
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These protesters hate the fact that MONEY has hijacked the political system. Wall street is the center of all power in the U.S. and there should be a constitutional amendment just like the forced separation of Church and state of Corporation/ALL special interest money and state.
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Hmm. Obamao out spent and out raised the Republicans HUGELY....
So, Obamao is a puppet of Wall Street?
How about the unions' hold on politics? They light up Dem pockets like the sun warms the earth.
And union members are FORCED to submit dues, and not uncommonly, intimidated to vote and campaign, etc,...
for the Dem party.
You try being a conservative republican teacher and see what crap you end up taking.
Here's a clue: That isn't political corruption on Wall St.
And btw, the wall st flea baggers? They get all sorts of food, some say it is better than they ever got at home.
And yes, they want socialism - in the form of handouts, free anything and everything.
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Please show me where they are asking for handouts.
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Please show me where they are asking for handouts.
Please show me where they are asking for handouts.
Actually I asked you to tell me what they actually do want.
But in general since about half the population supports the other half that means that the half that don't contribute are getting a handout.
Wanting that split to be even more lopsided would IMO be asking for a bigger handout.
Wanting someone else to pay their student loans is asking for a handout if in fact that's one of the gripes.
And it seems there are dozens of general gripes.
And yes Sev, money rules the world. Here and abroad now and throughout history.
Face the fact that the most fervent defenders of the middle class are among the richest and most powerful in the world.
Faux compassion is extremely profitable.
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Steve, your claim that about half of the country supports the other half of the country that "doesn't contribute" anything is simply not true. Don't get taken by political slogans. That figure is only for the 47% of Americans who pay no federal income tax. That's it. That's hardly the only tax we levy in America. There are state taxes. There are payroll taxes. There are excise taxes. There are sales taxes. There are property taxes. And there are lots of others, too.
And who makes up that 47%? lots of old people, the poor, and lower income people who receive child tax credits.
But even the poorest people in America pay about 13% of their income in taxes. So these people you imagine who "don't contribute" don't exist. You can read all about who pays for what here. I'd point you to the graph on page 24.
Take a look. Even if you make as little as $11,000 in an entire year, you still pay $1400 of it in taxes. If you make $30,000, you pay about $7000 of it in taxes. So you're just wrong. You should admit this.
Also, if people want a return to a more progressive tax code like we used to have, that doesn't mean they're asking for a handout. Certainly the people who would pay more in a more progressive tax code are not asking for a handout, yet you assume everyone who wants to go back to Clinton-era rates is some sort of lazy grifter. You should probably move on from the "welfare queen" rhetoric of the 80s, as well as the ridiculous and lazy "productive versus the moochers" framework you operate from.
Taxes fund all manner of government services. They're not handouts. You can even be for raising taxes simply because you believe in fiscal responsibility and fiscal reality, as many people today do, including many Republicans. This hardly makes them moochers asking for a handout.
Some people think a "fairer tax code" means that everyone pays the same rates. Others, like myself, believe that people who can afford to pay more should ease the burden on those who can't, and that this is more "fair." Herman Cain's tax plan, for instance, would probably meet your definition of "fairness." But what it does is raise in practice is raise taxes for the bottom 80% of American earners, and lower them for the top 20%, and lower them a great deal for people at the very top who get most of the income from investments. Maybe that's "fairer" to you. And in some theoretical abstract, I suppose it is fairer. But in practice, it makes little sense to me. How about you?
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"There is a strong anti-government bent, shared with the older Tea Party movement. There are many grievances: inflation, taxes, unemployment, corporate greed, lobbyists, stagnant wages and, above all, a growing gap between the ultrarich and the rest of us.
Above all, Occupy Wall Street takes aim at the big-money banks and hedge funders seen as responsible for the housing crisis, the ones who were rescued by taxpayers and the Federal Reserve's easy money, and are now profiting from the rebound and hoarding cash instead of making loans and rescuing homeowners."
I pulled that from MSN. It explains Occupy better than I can.
And they are right. I lost my job because the bailed-out banks wouldn't loan money. That's what the bail-outs were for.
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What did you do before you lost your job, if I might ask?
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Civil Engineering Technician. Potential clients couldn't get money for development projects so they didn't need design work done.
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Yup. Sounds pretty typical. Everyone is sitting on cash. Banks aren't loaning it. Businesses aren't investing it. Mostly because consumers aren't spending it. Because they don't have it.
Hope you find something soon.
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Yup. Sounds pretty typical. Everyone is sitting on cash. Banks aren't loaning it. Businesses aren't investing it. Mostly because consumers aren't spending it. Because they don't have it.
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and if Bush was pres, it would be ALL his fault, and Shep would be here being so "frightened" of our freedoms being squashed by the "evil" Cheney.
But wait ! Obamao and all his rowdy communist and radical socialist friends are in power ! Now? "Silence is golden" "mums the word" "eh.... I don't have time for the forum"
par for the corrupt thinking course.
Even Soros is saying we are headed for, or in, a double dip recession. And that is NOT Bush's fault.
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Yup. Sounds pretty typical. Everyone is sitting on cash. Banks aren't loaning it. Businesses aren't investing it. Mostly because consumers aren't spending it. Because they don't have it.
Hope you find something soon.
Yup. Sounds pretty typical. Everyone is sitting on cash. Banks aren't loaning it. Businesses aren't investing it. Mostly because consumers aren't spending it. Because they don't have it.
Hope you find something soon.
thanks, vicious cycle, it is.
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Yup. Sounds pretty typical. Everyone is sitting on cash. Banks aren't loaning it. Businesses aren't investing it. Mostly because consumers aren't spending it. Because they don't have it.
Hope you find something soon.
thanks, vicious cycle, it is.
thanks, vicious cycle, it is.
Yeah. Sad thing is, there are things that we can do to help, but we're not going to do them. Not in an election year.
No matter what we do, this is here to stay for a while. It's just how much bad we're willing to accept. And apparently, we're going to accept a lot of bad.
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thanks, vicious cycle, it is.
Yeah. Sad thing is, there are things that we can do to help, but we're not going to do them. Not in an election year.
No matter what we do, this is here to stay for a while. It's just how much bad we're willing to accept. And apparently, we're going to accept a lot of bad.
Yeah. Sad thing is, there are things that we can do to help, but we're not going to do them. Not in an election year.
Like what in particular?
(Let me guess....)
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