Josh Gordon
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it's called not burning bridges. in life and business kharma is a bitch. why screw someone over when they might be connected to you in some way in the future.
btw, when did utah and baylor become the milestone at which fans, analysts and coaches judge NFL preparedness and talent?
Jerry Rice went to Mississippi Valley State. Look at all the WRs in the HOF and see what schools they come from. It doesn't matter where you played college ball, only how good you are.
Jerry Rice went to Mississippi Valley State. Look at all the WRs in the HOF and see what schools they come from. It doesn't matter where you played college ball, only how good you are.
did jerry rice flunk 3 drug tests while in college?
no wonder gordon didn't play.
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OK, yes, apparently you are talking about Shannon Sharpe. I personally would not consider him the greatest tight end.....but that is not to disparage him. He is one of a handful who are in the HOF. Here are the schools of the others:
Dave Casper Notre Dame
Mike Ditka Pitt
John Mackey Syracuse
Charlie Sanders Minnesota
Jackie Smith Northwestern St.
Ozzie Newsome Alabama
Sharpe Savannah St.
Kellen Winslow Missouri
Perhaps the guy that many will consider the best of all time is still playing:
Tony Gonzales California
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Jerry Rice went to Mississippi Valley State. Look at all the WRs in the HOF and see what schools they come from. It doesn't matter where you played college ball, only how good you are.
did jerry rice flunk 3 drug tests while in college?
no wonder gordon didn't play.
did jerry rice flunk 3 drug tests while in college?
no wonder gordon didn't play.
What has that got to do with what school(s) he went to?
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I know this is a list of wrs, but lets not forget probably the greatest TE in NFL history came from Savannah St.
What do you mean? Ozzie Newsome was from Alabama.
What do you mean? Ozzie Newsome was from Alabama.
Shannon Sharpe
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What do you mean? Ozzie Newsome was from Alabama.
Shannon Sharpe
Shannon Sharpe
You saw the list. I wouldn't put Sharpe at the top of it.
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Here is the list of the people named "Gordon" that have played in the NFL. They are calling Josh: "Commissioner Gordon". Is there anyone on this list who should carry the mantle of "Commissioner"?
Alex Gordon LB 1987-1993
Amon Gordon DT 2004-2011
Bobby Gordon DB 1958-1960
Charles Gordon DB 2006-2008
Cletis Gordon DB 2006-2011
Cornell Gordon DB 1965-1972
Darrien Gordon DB 1993-2002
Dick Gordon WR-SE-FL 1965-1974
Dwayne Gordon LB 1993-2000
Ira Gordon G-T 1970-1975
John Gordon DT 1972-1972
Lamar Gordon RB 2002-2006
Larry Gordon LB 1976-1982
Lennox Gordon RB 1999-2000
Lou Gordon T-G-E 1930-1938
Richard Gordon TE 2011-2011
Sonny Gordon DB 1987-1987
Steve Gordon C 1998-1998
Tim Gordon DB 1987-1992
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What has that got to do with what school(s) he went to?
i brought up the topic about schools on this josh gordon thread. clearly everyone thinks the big 12 has now risen from the ashes like some great phoenix. isn't that the conference everyone one was trying to get out of? by no means would i compare a player from utah or baylor to a player that consistently performs on national tv week in and week out and plays against top ten teams like the SEC does. that's just my opinion.
now i read this morning that he said he only flunked one drug test when it was really three. i'm not saying the kid sucks because of it (god knows i've smoked plenty of weed in my day, and still enjoy the green once and awhile.....but my future and my family's future didn't depend on me passwing a drug test. especially 3 drug test!) so let's not even mention the likes of HOFers when we talk about josh gordon.
everyone gets sooo excited about these guys, it's nuts. carlton mitchell and jordan norwood for example. wow, they've got the measurables. they've got this and that. 3 catches by one of them in a 2 year span. 23 catches by the other in a 3 year span. and they can't beat out massaqua and couldn't beat out robiskie.
listen i hope this kid IS the next jerry rice. i really do. i want the best for this team. to some i might sound pessimistic, i call it realistic.
sure you can catch lightning in a bottle but heckert's looking up at a bright sky while doing so.
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What has that got to do with what school(s) he went to?
i brought up the topic about schools on this josh gordon thread. clearly everyone thinks the big 12 has now risen from the ashes like some great phoenix. isn't that the conference everyone one was trying to get out of? by no means would i compare a player from utah or baylor to a player that consistently performs on national tv week in and week out and plays against top ten teams like the SEC does. that's just my opinion.
now i read this morning that he said he only flunked one drug test when it was really three. i'm not saying the kid sucks because of it (god knows i've smoked plenty of weed in my day, and still enjoy the green once and awhile.....but my future and my family's future didn't depend on me passwing a drug test. especially 3 drug test!) so let's not even mention the likes of HOFers when we talk about josh gordon.
everyone gets sooo excited about these guys, it's nuts. carlton mitchell and jordan norwood for example. wow, they've got the measurables. they've got this and that. 3 catches by one of them in a 2 year span. 23 catches by the other in a 3 year span. and they can't beat out massaqua and couldn't beat out robiskie.
listen i hope this kid IS the next jerry rice. i really do. i want the best for this team. to some i might sound pessimistic, i call it realistic.
sure you can catch lightning in a bottle but heckert's looking up at a bright sky while doing so.
i brought up the topic about schools on this josh gordon thread. clearly everyone thinks the big 12 has now risen from the ashes like some great phoenix. isn't that the conference everyone one was trying to get out of? by no means would i compare a player from utah or baylor to a player that consistently performs on national tv week in and week out and plays against top ten teams like the SEC does. that's just my opinion.
now i read this morning that he said he only flunked one drug test when it was really three. i'm not saying the kid sucks because of it (god knows i've smoked plenty of weed in my day, and still enjoy the green once and awhile.....but my future and my family's future didn't depend on me passwing a drug test. especially 3 drug test!) so let's not even mention the likes of HOFers when we talk about josh gordon.
everyone gets sooo excited about these guys, it's nuts. carlton mitchell and jordan norwood for example. wow, they've got the measurables. they've got this and that. 3 catches by one of them in a 2 year span. 23 catches by the other in a 3 year span. and they can't beat out massaqua and couldn't beat out robiskie.
listen i hope this kid IS the next jerry rice. i really do. i want the best for this team. to some i might sound pessimistic, i call it realistic.
sure you can catch lightning in a bottle but heckert's looking up at a bright sky while doing so.
He failed 2 drug tests at Baylor and none at Utah. Openly admitted to the two he failed at Baylor.
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Here is the list of the people named "Gordon" that have played in the NFL. They are calling Josh: "Commissioner Gordon". Is there anyone on this list who should carry the mantle of "Commissioner"?
Alex Gordon LB 1987-1993
Amon Gordon DT 2004-2011
Bobby Gordon DB 1958-1960
Charles Gordon DB 2006-2008
Cletis Gordon DB 2006-2011
Cornell Gordon DB 1965-1972
Darrien Gordon DB 1993-2002
Dick Gordon WR-SE-FL 1965-1974
Dwayne Gordon LB 1993-2000
Ira Gordon G-T 1970-1975
John Gordon DT 1972-1972
Lamar Gordon RB 2002-2006
Larry Gordon LB 1976-1982
Lennox Gordon RB 1999-2000
Lou Gordon T-G-E 1930-1938
Richard Gordon TE 2011-2011
Sonny Gordon DB 1987-1987
Steve Gordon C 1998-1998
Tim Gordon DB 1987-1992
Here is the list of the people named "Gordon" that have played in the NFL. They are calling Josh: "Commissioner Gordon". Is there anyone on this list who should carry the mantle of "Commissioner"?
I prefer "Flash" Gordon for a wide receiver.
Zombo
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What has that got to do with what school(s) he went to?
i brought up the topic about schools on this josh gordon thread. clearly everyone thinks the big 12 has now risen from the ashes like some great phoenix. isn't that the conference everyone one was trying to get out of? by no means would i compare a player from utah or baylor to a player that consistently performs on national tv week in and week out and plays against top ten teams like the SEC does. that's just my opinion.
now i read this morning that he said he only flunked one drug test when it was really three. i'm not saying the kid sucks because of it (god knows i've smoked plenty of weed in my day, and still enjoy the green once and awhile.....but my future and my family's future didn't depend on me passwing a drug test. especially 3 drug test!) so let's not even mention the likes of HOFers when we talk about josh gordon.
everyone gets sooo excited about these guys, it's nuts. carlton mitchell and jordan norwood for example. wow, they've got the measurables. they've got this and that. 3 catches by one of them in a 2 year span. 23 catches by the other in a 3 year span. and they can't beat out massaqua and couldn't beat out robiskie.
listen i hope this kid IS the next jerry rice. i really do. i want the best for this team. to some i might sound pessimistic, i call it realistic.
sure you can catch lightning in a bottle but heckert's looking up at a bright sky while doing so.
i brought up the topic about schools on this josh gordon thread. clearly everyone thinks the big 12 has now risen from the ashes like some great phoenix. isn't that the conference everyone one was trying to get out of? by no means would i compare a player from utah or baylor to a player that consistently performs on national tv week in and week out and plays against top ten teams like the SEC does. that's just my opinion.
Not necessarily. You don't see (or hear about) the super stud players in lesser conferences exactly because they're not on National TV every week. Everyone poo-pooed Boise State until they started beating the snot out of the Big Boys that thought they were scheduling a cram puff. Conversely, just because the guy plays like a stud in a "Power" Conference doesn't make him a lock to do the same in the NFL- the list of Big Time Busts in that category is legion.
I won't waste my time looking up great non WR NFL players that came out of nowhere schools, but Lyle Alzado (Yankton State) and Ken Anderson (Augustana) immediately come to mind.
You can't coach up inferior athletic talent- Antonio Gates didn't even play football in college.
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What has that got to do with what school(s) he went to?
i brought up the topic about schools on this josh gordon thread. clearly everyone thinks the big 12 has now risen from the ashes like some great phoenix. isn't that the conference everyone one was trying to get out of? by no means would i compare a player from utah or baylor to a player that consistently performs on national tv week in and week out and plays against top ten teams like the SEC does. that's just my opinion.
now i read this morning that he said he only flunked one drug test when it was really three. i'm not saying the kid sucks because of it (god knows i've smoked plenty of weed in my day, and still enjoy the green once and awhile.....but my future and my family's future didn't depend on me passwing a drug test. especially 3 drug test!) so let's not even mention the likes of HOFers when we talk about josh gordon.
everyone gets sooo excited about these guys, it's nuts. carlton mitchell and jordan norwood for example. wow, they've got the measurables. they've got this and that. 3 catches by one of them in a 2 year span. 23 catches by the other in a 3 year span. and they can't beat out massaqua and couldn't beat out robiskie.
listen i hope this kid IS the next jerry rice. i really do. i want the best for this team. to some i might sound pessimistic, i call it realistic.
sure you can catch lightning in a bottle but heckert's looking up at a bright sky while doing so.
i brought up the topic about schools on this josh gordon thread. clearly everyone thinks the big 12 has now risen from the ashes like some great phoenix. isn't that the conference everyone one was trying to get out of? by no means would i compare a player from utah or baylor to a player that consistently performs on national tv week in and week out and plays against top ten teams like the SEC does. that's just my opinion.
That is NOT something that can be proclaimed to be "just an opnion". That is a factual statement that should be supported by facts.
Prove your facts.
Show us where any one SEC school is so much greater than the likes of Baylor or Utah at producing quality WRs.
I showed you the HOF WR list. I don't think your proposition can be supported by that.
See what you come up with.
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i brought up the topic about schools on this josh gordon thread. clearly everyone thinks the big 12 has now risen from the ashes like some great phoenix. isn't that the conference everyone one was trying to get out of? by no means would i compare a player from utah or baylor to a player that consistently performs on national tv week in and week out and plays against top ten teams like the SEC does. that's just my opinion.
That is NOT something that can be proclaimed to be "just an opnion". That is a factual statement that should be supported by facts.
Prove your facts.
Show us where any one SEC school is so much greater than the likes of Baylor or Utah at producing quality WRs.
I showed you the HOF WR list. I don't think your proposition can be supported by that.
See what you come up with.
That is NOT something that can be proclaimed to be "just an opnion". That is a factual statement that should be supported by facts.
Prove your facts.
See what you come up with.
no. it's an opinion. my opinion is that if i were a GM and needed a defensive gem wouldn't you look at alabama or lsu first (last year)?
He failed 2 drug tests at Baylor and none at Utah. Openly admitted to the two he failed at Baylor.
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As most know, I am anti-drug. I am also not naive enough to believe most young folks today haven't used drugs, especially pot. Gordon tested positive early in his College playing career doing what kids do. He was NOT stupid enough to test positive at the Combine or his workout, when his Pro future was on the line. To me, there is a huge difference, & I believe the young man deserves this chance. Something tells me he'll be fine.
Mike
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That is NOT something that can be proclaimed to be "just an opnion". That is a factual statement that should be supported by facts.
Prove your facts.
See what you come up with.
no. it's an opinion. my opinion is that if i were a GM and needed a defensive gem wouldn't you look at alabama or lsu first (last year)?
He failed 2 drug tests at Baylor and none at Utah. Openly admitted to the two he failed at Baylor.
no. it's an opinion. my opinion is that if i were a GM and needed a defensive gem wouldn't you look at alabama or lsu first (last year)?
Even if he did fail a third at Utah, which I doubt considering the circumstances of who came out with the info and when, he still admitted to the two he got at Baylor in the post draft interview he had with Cleveland media.
Oh and when it comes down to it I will always believe a person face to face over some anonymous people who are not willing to give their names.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/07/despite_a_report_browns_receiv.html
Ruining threads since 1897. -
"gordon breaks free on the left hand side and weeden throws deep....the catch...and he's in for a touchdown!!!! perfectly thrown hard spiral to the rookie out of utahbay!!
"gee gus, the weedster just smoked a ball to the weedhead for a TD!!!"
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no. it's an opinion. my opinion is that if i were a GM and needed a defensive gem wouldn't you look at alabama or lsu first (last year)?
I think NFL GMs look at the player first, not the school. It just happens that the really good players at certain positions seem to go to certain schools......but when it comes to WRs any decent GM would NOT necessarily look to the SEC....or necessarily the big conferences.
Here is the list of the Top 20 receivers (by number of catches) and the schools they went to:
Jerry Rice: Mississippi Valley St.
Tony Gonzales: Cal
Marvin Harrison: Syracuse
Cris Carter: Ohio St.
Tim Brown: Notre Dame
Terrell Owens: Tennessee-Chattanooga
Isaac Bruce: Memphis
Hines Ward: Georgia
Randy Moss: Marshall
Andre Reed: Kutztown St. Pa.
Derrick Mason: Michigan St.
Art Monk: Syracuse
Torry Holt: NC St.
Keenan McCardell: UNLV
Jimmy Smith: Jackson St.
Reggie Wayne: Miami Fla.
Muhsin Muhammed: Michigan St.
Irving Fryar: Nebraska
Rod Smith: Missouri Southern
Larry Centers: S.F. Austin
As one can tell, there are far more small college players on this list than SEC players... or most other big conferences.
So the fact that a Mississippi Valley St. can produce the best WR ever, and that Kutztown and S.F. Austin or Chattanooga can do so shows CLEARLY that a Baylor or a Utah could do no worse.
As I see it, the problem is not that the likes of Gordon went to Baylor, but that none of these top WRs have played for the Browns.
(Note, of course that the top WR numbers by catches is heavily weighted toward more recent players due to the proliferation of the passing game)
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