Josh Gordon

[miktoxic]

blah blah blah.

willy wonka talk.

now we have the best receiving corp in the league let alone our division? :lol:

[USFBrown]

Looks like they might have been forced into giving up a 2nd for him:

"The Bills, despite holding the ninth pick in the April draft, secured the first pick in each round of the supplemental draft. The Browns finished at No. 2 on the pecking order.

And so, if the Bills were planning to use a third-round pick on Gordon, the Browns necessarily had to use a second-round pick in order to get to Gordon first."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/12/supplemental-draft-lottery-may-have-forced-clevelands-han/

[MLD Woody]

Crap.... Less of a chance we take Denard now, lol

[Harry Buffalo]

@hunt-daddy said:

Gordon won't start in Week 1 unless he shows up and is ready to go. He'll be starting by no later than Week 6 or 7, though. Might be like Little and take a few weeks in a less pivotal role then shine through once they've gotten back into the swing of football at a high level.

That being said, wouldn't it be sweet if we pulled a 1999 Rams? They went from 4-12 to the Super Bowl. They got a QB (Warner), a WR (Holt), and a RB (Faulk) all that year and it all clicked with the receiver they already had (Bruce.) What if this is the 2012 Browns? We have the WR on the roster (Little), we got the stud running back (Richardson), we nabbed an older QB no one believed in (Weeden), and we got a stud rookie receiver with huge upside (Gordon). Not that I'm saying it will happen, but maybe it's time for us to catch lightning in a bottle for once.

The greatest show on turf is about to come to Cleveland.

We can always dream right? Bright side for us though is all of our guys are only 1st and 2nd year players. Theirs not so much.

I honestly feel several reasons to be optimistic about this move. First and foremost, regardless of what you personally think about the player, it has to be nice to finally see our front office put on their big boy pants and make some moves. Two years ago they would have been kicking the sand with their hands in their pockets saying, "Well shucks." Now? "Ahh fuck that noise! MINE!" Making sure they get their QB, RB, and WR by just going and grabbing them. It is becoming more and more obvious that if this front office likes a guy and have serious interest in him then they are going to make a serious, and sometimes extreme, move to go and get him.

Another reason to feel good? This guy only had one full season starting, but it was a good full season for a first year starter. 700+ yards and 7 TD for a sophomore? Those are good numbers. Same numbers that Wright put up that same year as a Junior and he went in the 1st. Also this guy wasn't sitting out a whole season. He just didn't play. This guy practiced week in and week out at Utah against their 1st team defense. Remember players who have to sit out a season due to transferring normally work on the scout team. On top of that he ran a 4.5 40 at his proday... only two weeks after making the decision to go into the Sup. Remember his teammate Wright ran a 4.6 after having MONTHS to work on his 40 yard dash. Like with Wright you only need to look at Gordon's game film to see he has exceptional game speed and a lot of people are saying he is faster than Wright. Oh and great hands, that has to make everyone feel nice.

Honestly we have a guy who if he played last season had a chance to be the 1st or 2nd WR taken in this draft. Even in the WR heavy draft of next year, if he hadn't had to make the move to the sup to support his family and had played at Utah, there is a good chance he would have been a 1st round pick. Even if next years 2nd rounder ends up being a higher pick, we get the guy at a value and we get him a whole season early.

[choco]

very pie in the sky. i guess there's no way this kid fails...eh?

[Harry Buffalo]

@choco said:

very pie in the sky. i guess there's no way this kid fails...eh?

No this guy can fail, but at the same time so can Luck, RGIII, Richardson, and every other supposed sure thing from this years draft. What I am saying is that there are reasons to like this pick and that because of his circumstances we got a potential 1st round talent for a 2nd rounder.

[Kosar_For_President]

[mdmusch]

Let's just look at it this way... Had he still been on Baylor, given the improvement to Wright and Griffin, Gordon would have been projected to have 58 Receptions, 986 Yards, 10 Touchdowns. Couple this production with the spotlight Baylor had and the fact that Gordon's Triangular numbers, strength, and athleticism bested Wright's, I am willing to be Gordon would have been a late first or early second round pick in this draft. I'm not saying the he is necessarily a first round talent, but when you are 6-3, 224 and run a 4.5, you will rise on boards...

I'm happy with the pick, it gives the Browns the second round receiver we were bound to take in next years draft, and we get him early. I hope he can learn the rope quick enough to get regular playing time after the first couple weeks or so... Having Gordon will help Little tremendously, and I believe Little will become dominant and play a role similar to Terrell Owen in his prime.

[choco]

@harry-buffalo said:

we got a potential 1st round talent for a 2nd rounder.

we got a potential disaster for a second rounder. see how that works? "potential"...."talent"....at the small, small price of a second rounder, ya know...the picks where guys normally start right away when taken in the regular draft. but since its the supplemental, its OK to take raw projects? where do you draw the line?

anyone have a video of this kid catching a pass on anything other than a 9 route? cause all i see in those videos is a big kid that uses his size advantage over smaller corners. his game is so limited.....and most every post ive read from browns fans Re: gordon believe this kid is gonna waltz right in here and become a #1 WR.....its so fucking funny its laughable, how the masses so blindly believe that all one requires is measureables. nevermind the years of instruction its gonna take to get this kid on the field since he's only....ya know...played one season.

sorry if im not lying to myself to gush like a schoolgirl about this kid.....but i expect so much less from him than the rest of you. he nothing more than a completely raw prospect with a big frame.....while i feel the cost was way too steep, i'd rather youth over the vet WR everyone so wanted. this isn't a worst case scenario for me. i just find the new plethora of "browns new high powered offense" posts all over the boards after the we got gordon humorous, and similarly embarrassing.

[Harry Buffalo]

@choco said:

we got a potential disaster for a second rounder. see how that works? "potential"...."talent"....at the small, small price of a second rounder, ya know...the picks where guys normally start right away when taken in the regular draft. but since its the supplemental, its OK to take raw projects? where do you draw the line?

anyone have a video of this kid catching a pass on anything other than a 9 route? cause all i see in those videos is a big kid that uses his size advantage over smaller corners. his game is so limited.....and most every post ive read from browns fans Re: gordon believe this kid is gonna waltz right in here and become a #1 WR.....its so fucking funny its laughable, how the masses so blindly believe that all one requires is measureables. nevermind the years of instruction its gonna take to get this kid on the field since he's only....ya know...played one season.

sorry if im not lying to myself to gush like a schoolgirl about this kid.....but i expect so much less from him than the rest of you. he nothing more than a completely raw prospect with a big frame.....while i feel the cost was way too steep, i'd rather youth over the vet WR everyone so wanted. this isn't a worst case scenario for me. i just find the new plethora of "browns new high powered offense" posts all over the boards after the we got gordon humorous, and similarly embarrassing.

I honestly feel that you are reading what you want to read. Most posts have been about people not being quite sure but glad that Heckert made a move. I have yet to read a thing about this guy stepping right in and being the starter. There are reasons this is a good pick, and reasons why it can be a bad pick as per you mentioned. But as mentioned after the regular draft and something I am still adamant about, it is fucking just as stupid to declare someone a bad pick as it is to declare someone a good pick before they even see the field.

[The Gipper]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

And just like that, Mohamed Massaquoi just got moved to slot receiver.

Or, off the roster completely?

[The Gipper]

@thaak said:

The only thing I'm worried about, is our luck on WR's in the 2nd round.

We keep drafting more WR's in the 2nd round to replace past 2nd round WR failures.

I think we've had like 7 to 9 2nd round WR's and so far none have panned out (Little is still pending).

Johnson,

Northcutt

Q

Davis

Robiskie

Massaquoi

Anyone name any other 2nd round WR's we've failed on?

Yes, there are others. WRs Browns have taken over the years in the second round:

1983 Ron Brown (didn't do much for Browns, but played well for years with the Rams)

1984 Bruce Davis

1986 Webster Slaughter

1989 Lawyer Tillman

1992 Patrick Rowe

1999 KJ

2000 Northcutt

2001 Andre Davis

2002 Quincy Morgan

2009 Robo and MoMass

2011 Greg Little

Not a stellar record, no. Slaughter was the best. KJ and Northcutt pretty good. A. Davis: so so. Some busts here.

Hopefully Little reaches Slaughter range. And Gordon too.

[The Gipper]

@kosar_for_president said:

Here is where we need the old "Like" button. In the words of Boss Nazz: "Meesa liking dis."

[The Gipper]

OK The Browns have "tied the Gordian Knot". Let's just hope it doesn't unravel.

My question is: how would Gordon rate against those WRs who are presumed to be the cream of the crop in next years draft?

Guys like:

Robert Woods

Keenan Allen

Justin Hunter

Terence William (Baylor!)

Marquess Wilson

Some of you may have done more "scouting" on these guys than I. How does "Flash" Gordon compare?

By the way, the "Gordian Knot" metaphor is very applicable here:

The Gordian Knot is a legend of Phrygian Gordium associated with Alexander the Great. It is often used as a metaphor for an intractable problem solved easily by cheating or "thinking outside the box". ("cutting the Gordian knot"):

"Turn him to any cause of policy,

The Gordian Knot of it he will unloose,

Familiar as his garter" (Shakespeare, Henry V, Act 1 Scene 1. 4547)

(or is this tantamount to Heckert playing Kirk by beating the Kobayashi Maru scenario?)

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

@choco said:

we got a potential disaster for a second rounder. see how that works? "potential"...."talent"....at the small, small price of a second rounder, ya know...the picks where guys normally start right away when taken in the regular draft. but since its the supplemental, its OK to take raw projects? where do you draw the line?

anyone have a video of this kid catching a pass on anything other than a 9 route? cause all i see in those videos is a big kid that uses his size advantage over smaller corners. his game is so limited.....and most every post ive read from browns fans Re: gordon believe this kid is gonna waltz right in here and become a #1 WR.....its so fucking funny its laughable, how the masses so blindly believe that all one requires is measureables. nevermind the years of instruction its gonna take to get this kid on the field since he's only....ya know...played one season.

sorry if im not lying to myself to gush like a schoolgirl about this kid.....but i expect so much less from him than the rest of you. he nothing more than a completely raw prospect with a big frame.....while i feel the cost was way too steep, i'd rather youth over the vet WR everyone so wanted. this isn't a worst case scenario for me. i just find the new plethora of "browns new high powered offense" posts all over the boards after the we got gordon humorous, and similarly embarrassing.

Yeah because I haven't seen Greg Little on the field once yet, be ause if his...you know...one season of playing.

[The Gipper]

@the-gipper said:

Yes, there are others. WRs Browns have taken over the years in the second round:

1983 Ron Brown (didn't do much for Browns, but played well for years with the Rams)

1984 Bruce Davis

1986 Webster Slaughter

1989 Lawyer Tillman

1992 Patrick Rowe

1999 KJ

2000 Northcutt

2001 Andre Davis

2002 Quincy Morgan

2009 Robo and MoMass

2011 Greg Little

Not a stellar record, no. Slaughter was the best. KJ and Northcutt pretty good. A. Davis: so so. Some busts here.

Hopefully Little reaches Slaughter range. And Gordon too.

To supplement this, here are the WRs the Browns have taken in the First Round:

1962 Gary Collins

1964 Paul Warfield

1973 Steve Holden

1979 Willis Adams

1994 Derrick Alexander

2005 Braylon Edwards

There is not a lot of heart to take in this. The best WRs the Browns have ever drafted in the first or second rounds were the first two: Collins and Warfield. Then comes Slaughter, then comes Bo Diddley squat basically. Until now maybe? Wouldn't it be nice to see Greg Little and Josh Gordon become modern day Collins and Warfield?

[Canton Mike]

@the-gipper said:

Or, off the roster completely?

That's what I think, but I'm no expert. I have just seen NOTHING from Momass that excites me....no YAC, no great hands, no coming back to help the QB, etc......We'll see.

Mike

[PoeticG]

@the-gipper said:

To supplement this, here are the WRs the Browns have taken in the First Round:

1962 Gary Collins

1964 Paul Warfield

1973 Steve Holden

1979 Willis Adams

1994 Derrick Alexander

2005 Braylon Edwards

There is not a lot of heart to take in this. The best WRs the Browns have ever drafted in the first or second rounds were the first two: Collins and Warfield. Then comes Slaughter, then comes Bo Diddley squat basically. Until now maybe? Wouldn't it be nice to see Greg Little and Josh Gordon become modern day Collins and Warfield?

Trent Richardson become the modern day Jim Brown and Colt McCoy become the next Otto Graham. To those who don't know, Graham was also 6'1".

Please Browns, Bring BACK Brownie!!!

[Browns57]

Love the pick.I think Gordon will play well for us after a adjustment period, and our offense will drastically be improved by the moves we made this offseason. The loss of the second round pick for next year doesn't even bother me because for once free agents are going to WANT to come play in Cleveland with all of this young talent we have.

Oh wait a minute I almost forgot that shurmer is still the coach. We may still have to pray. LOL

[Bills-n-Browns-Fan]

@poeticg said:

Trent Richardson become the modern day Jim Brown and Colt McCoy become the next Otto Graham. To those who don't know, Graham was also 6'1".

Please Browns, Bring BACK Brownie!!!

WHAT!