Draft Thoughts 2013
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If it's not Jones, I am hoping it is Milliner. If that happens we will go with a DL/LB guy in rd 3. I could also see our 3rd round pick being a TE depending on FA, because of the way Chud and Norv have used TEs in the past. At the very latest we will see a TE off the board in round 4 IMO.
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How do you guys see Phil Taylor playing end?
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1- DaMontre Moore- played LB/DE in college and can get after the QB, would like to see a slight trade down maybe 8 or 9 and get Milliner
3- Jon Bostic- thumper to play next to D Jack
4- Honey Badger- if the pick works out you have a steal if not its a 4th rounder
5- Chud Bumpis- add a little depth @WR
6- Spencer Long-add some OL depth
7-Javon Harris- safety depth special teamer
7-Jordan Rodgers- Developmental QB.. hope some of his brothers magic wears off on him
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How do you guys see Phil Taylor playing end?
How do you guys see Phil Taylor playing end?
Exactly.
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How do you guys see Phil Taylor playing end?
How do you guys see Phil Taylor playing end?
Cause for a guy his size he still has the athleticism and even the speed necessary to play at the DE in a 3-4. I feel that everyone is just focused on his weight which is 330. I don't see that being a problem. The Ravans used to run Ngata at NT but moved him out to DE where he still plays at a high level.
Here is my mock with a split decision in the first.
1st: Moore or Mingo from LSU. We might be able to trade back a few spots and still pick up Mingo if Moore is already gone. Both will make good rush LBs in the NFL. I don't pick Jones for two reasons. The first is that I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole that early due to his back issue. Why would you take a guy who is one injury away from having to retire? The second reason is that some team ahead of us is going to be stupid enough to take him before we pick.
3rd: John Simon DE. While I have said that I think Taylor would work out at the DE spot that is far from fact at this point, along with Billy Winn even being any good on the other side. Can Frostee play at DE in this system? Fact is we are going to be moving a lot of DT and DE and trying to fit them into a hole and seeing if they work. While I really do think we can have a good starting unit I don't think we are going to have any depth and this season we saw how important depth was for us on the DL. Simon has the perfect size to play as a 3-4 DE and honestly could still be available at this spot since there are sexier picks ahead of him.
4th: Zac Dysert QB Miami (OH). The only thing Dysert doesn't have that Big Ben does is his crazy inside the pocket mobility, but Zac's is still pretty good. What he does have is great arm strength, good accuracy, and Big Ben's all time yardage record. A good guy to develope since it is now obvious that McCoy and possibly even Lewis will be gone.
5th: Gavin Escobar TE San Diego State: This one is a stretch. I don't know if he will still be available at this point considering the bigger priority that all teams are starting to put on the TE position but Escobar is a person who really could have used another season at the college level and him declaring himself for the draft early was a mistake on his part. We do know how much Chud covets TE's and I feel that it is a forgone conclusion that we will be taking one in this years draft. Escobar isn't overly fast but he can catch, block, and has athleticism.
6th: Joseph Fauria TE UCLA: Did I say Chud loves TEs? I don't think we would take two TEs unless that last one was with one of the 7th round picks but I don't know who else to take at this point, Joseph could still be available here, and honestly I could see us taking this guy in the 5th instead of Gavin. Joseph is more a receiving TE that a blocker but he has great hands and athleticism and is a true red zone threat with 11 touchdowns last season and standing at 6'7
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B86b I wanted to add Rodgers as 7th for that same reason... I also would not mind mind a trade down with a team and then nab Dion Jordan or Ezekiel Ansah, while gaining an extra second or third.
Denard Robinson is another pick that I would love as a WildDawg QB, slot receiver, and single back. Let's get some playmakers to add to Richardson and Gordon.
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Round 1 - Pick 6 Keenan Allen WR, CAL
Round 3 - Gabe Jackson G, Miss St, or if he isn't available, Landry Jones QB, Oklahoma, how funny would that be!
Round 4 - Levine Toiolo TE, Stanford
then go defense the rest of the way
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Wouldn't mind moving back as far as it takes to get a second round pick. I am hoping we could trade down and still get a good edge guy like B'jorn Warner and pick up Matt Elam (safety from florida).
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Maybe the Rams get antsy with Bradford or fall in love with someone early and we can trade back for their two first rounders. Then we could grab two of the following these guys: Chance Warmack, Xavier Rhodes, Dion Jordon/Sam Montgomery. Then we can hope that Joseph Fauria at TE is around in the third. My only other draft opinion is that we should stay away from Jones in the first because spinal stenosis is a serious condition and a threat to his career.
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Round 1 - Pick 6 Keenan Allen WR, CAL
Round 3 - Gabe Jackson G, Miss St, or if he isn't available, Landry Jones QB, Oklahoma, how funny would that be!
Round 4 - Levine Toiolo TE, Stanford
then go defense the rest of the way
Round 1 - Pick 6 Keenan Allen WR, CAL
Round 3 - Gabe Jackson G, Miss St, or if he isn't available, Landry Jones QB, Oklahoma, how funny would that be!
Round 4 - Levine Toiolo TE, Stanford
then go defense the rest of the way
No way we go offense heavy if we move to a 3-4, we would need a rush LB as top priority.
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Round 1 - Pick 6 Keenan Allen WR, CAL
Round 3 - Gabe Jackson G, Miss St, or if he isn't available, Landry Jones QB, Oklahoma, how funny would that be!
Round 4 - Levine Toiolo TE, Stanford
then go defense the rest of the way
Round 4 - Levine Toiolo TE, Stanford
Toilolo disappears in games. After you watch stanford you wonder if he actually played.
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In my Mock above the two guys I definitely want are Michael Williams and Rontez Miles. Williams might rise throughout the draft process (if he checks out athletically), and may rise the third round. Having him would do wonders for the ground game especially if Chud relies on Double Tight Sets. And Miles looks like a legit prospect, even though he routinely was the best athlete on the field when he played in D2.
Ideally the Browns can hope that Star Lotulelei falls to their pick and then they can entertain offers from the Dolphins, Saints, or Panthers. If they could recoup a second rounder and get the the middle of the round, a player like Chance Warmack, Dion Jordan, or Ezekiel Ansah would be great. This year I am all for trading down with the depth this draft has with pass rushers.
A Darkhorse Prospect I would love the Browns to take a chance on is Denard Robinson as a RB/Slot Receiver. He would probably need to be taken in the third round, which may be too high for a luxury pick, but he would be a great weapon on offense and special teams. If Robinson were to get something like 50 carries and 30 designed receptions on screens or slants, he would probably be worth a third rounder by scoring touchdowns. My main concern is that he probably will not hold up in the NFL.
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In my Mock above the two guys I definitely want are Michael Williams and Rontez Miles. Williams might rise throughout the draft process (if he checks out athletically), and may rise the third round. Having him would do wonders for the ground game especially if Chud relies on Double Tight Sets. And Miles looks like a legit prospect, even though he routinely was the best athlete on the field when he played in D2.
Ideally the Browns can hope that Star Lotulelei falls to their pick and then they can entertain offers from the Dolphins, Saints, or Panthers. If they could recoup a second rounder and get the the middle of the round, a player like Chance Warmack, Dion Jordan, or Ezekiel Ansah would be great. This year I am all for trading down with the depth this draft has with pass rushers.
A Darkhorse Prospect I would love the Browns to take a chance on is Denard Robinson as a RB/Slot Receiver. He would probably need to be taken in the third round, which may be too high for a luxury pick, but he would be a great weapon on offense and special teams. If Robinson were to get something like 50 carries and 30 designed receptions on screens or slants, he would probably be worth a third rounder by scoring touchdowns. My main concern is that he probably will not hold up in the NFL.
A Darkhorse Prospect I would love the Browns to take a chance on is Denard Robinson as a RB/Slot Receiver. He would probably need to be taken in the third round, which may be too high for a luxury pick, but he would be a great weapon on offense and special teams. If Robinson were to get something like 50 carries and 30 designed receptions on screens or slants, he would probably be worth a third rounder by scoring touchdowns. My main concern is that he probably will not hold up in the NFL.
Denard is actual more durable than people give him credit for. He went out a lot his first year starting (Soph year) but never missed a game. Many of the times that he went out it had to do with him being able to do the things he needed to do as a QB (injuries to his throwing arm). In the offseason he put on muscle and was able to stay in more his Jr year while still running the ball almost as much. The injury he suffered at the end of this year was nerve damage to his elbow on his throwing arm after a Nebraska palyer stepped on it.
ESPN lists him at 6', 197lbs. That is probably being generous in the height. He'll probably put on some more weight as he trains for the Sr Bowl and combine as a WR/HB/returner.
Some comparable guys:
Dexter McCluster 5'8'' 170lbs
DeSeasn Jackson 5'10'' 175lbs
Danny Woodhead 5'8'' 200lbs
Chris Johnson 5'11'' 191lbs
Daren Sproles 5'6'' 190lbs
Antwaan Randle El 5'10'' 190lbs
Wes Welker 5'9'' 185lbs
Percy Harvin 5'11'' 184lbs
Randall Cobb 5'10'' 192lbs
If you watched the Michigsn v South Carolina game he was actually running between the tackles and running through guys. He was fighting for yards and this was against a defense with future NFL players.
I'm not trying to be too much of a homer I am just trying to be helpful
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Another late guy to keep an eye on is Sam McGuffie.
Lol really? What has he been up to at Rice since transferring from U of M? He had his moments here as a freshman.
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He switched to slot reciever. Still runs a 4.4 but switched due to concussions. Had a pretty good year this year, but hes definitely a weapon, will be around late and maybe go undrafted depending on workouts.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
He switched to slot reciever. Still runs a 4.4 but switched due to concussions. Had a pretty good year this year, but hes definitely a weapon, will be around late and maybe go undrafted depending on workouts.
Yeah he had like 3 his freshman year here
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Maybe the Rams get antsy with Bradford or fall in love with someone early and we can trade back for their two first rounders. Then we could grab two of the following these guys: Chance Warmack, Xavier Rhodes, Dion Jordon/Sam Montgomery. Then we can hope that Joseph Fauria at TE is around in the third. My only other draft opinion is that we should stay away from Jones in the first because spinal stenosis is a serious condition and a threat to his career.
Maybe the Rams get antsy with Bradford or fall in love with someone early and we can trade back for their two first rounders. Then we could grab two of the following these guys: Chance Warmack, Xavier Rhodes, Dion Jordon/Sam Montgomery. Then we can hope that Joseph Fauria at TE is around in the third. My only other draft opinion is that we should stay away from Jones in the first because spinal stenosis is a serious condition and a threat to his career.
I was just thinking that. If someone had 2 first rounders it might be worth thinking of trading with them for some depth of quality picks.
It looks like right now that the Rams have the #16 and something like #22-23.
Picking up both a Sam Montgomery and Chance Warmack sounds sweet.
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