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  • Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    @gftchris said:

    Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    If you ask a question....you must know the answer. But I am going to make a guess and say possibly 2007. That was the year the Great Smashing Pumpkins when it came to QBs: Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the 2 first rounders. I know Quinn didn't start....and I don't think Russell was given the starting job out of the gate that year.

  • @gftchris said:

    Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!

    Zombo

    But the Bills picked up Matt Leinert and Thad Lewis too, didn't they?

  • @gftchris said:

    Given that there's a distinct possibility that EJ Manuel won't be playing week 1 through injury or Kolb-ness, there'd be no rookie QBs starting. First time since...? Gipper, get on it, there's some trivia for ya 😉

    If you ask a question....you must know the answer. But I am going to make a guess and say possibly 2007. That was the year the Great Smashing Pumpkins when it came to QBs: Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the 2 first rounders. I know Quinn didn't start....and I don't think Russell was given the starting job out of the gate that year.

    @the-gipper said:

    If you ask a question....you must know the answer. But I am going to make a guess and say possibly 2007. That was the year the Great Smashing Pumpkins when it came to QBs: Jamarcus Russell and Brady Quinn were the 2 first rounders. I know Quinn didn't start....and I don't think Russell was given the starting job out of the gate that year.

    Nope, not a clue - my NFL knowledge stretches back about a year!

  • 2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.

    @jrb12711 said:

    2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.

    Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:

    1983: Elway, Marino, Kelly, OBrien, Eason

    1984: Steve Young, Esiason, Hostetler, Schroeder

    1985: Kosar, Cunningham, Bono

    1986: Jim Everett, Rypien, Brister

    1987: Testaverde, Chris Miller, Jim Harbaugh, Rich Gannon, Steve Beuerlein, Majkowski

    1988: Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries

    1989: Aikman, Rodney Peete

    1990: O'Donnell, Jeff George

    1991: Favre, Craig Erickson

    1992: Maddox, Jeff Blake, Brad Johnson

    1993: Bledsoe, Brunell, Grbac, Trent Green

    1994: Dilfer, Frerotte

    1995: McNair, Kerry Collins, Kordell Stewart

    1996: Tony Banks

    1997: Jake Plummer

    1998: P. Manning, M. Hasselbeck, Charlie Batch, Brian Griese

    1999: McNabb, Culpepper, Aaron Brooks, Couch

    2000: Brady, Pennington, Bulger

    2001: Vick, Brees

    2002: Carr, Harrington, David Garrard

    2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman

    2004: E. Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Schaub

    2005: Alex Smith, Rodgers, J. Campbell, Orton

    2006: Cutler, Vince Young

    2007: Kolb, Trent Edward

    2008: Matt Ryan, Flacco, Chud Henne

    2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Josh Freeman

    2010: Bradford.... Tebow, McCoy? (they are the next best two in terms of production)

    2011: Newton, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick

    These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.

    Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser

  • Zombo said:

    I think Tuel is slated to start if Manuel doesn't ... so rookie either way!

    Zombo

    But the Bills picked up Matt Leinert and Thad Lewis too, didn't they?

    @the-gipper said:

    But the Bills picked up Matt Leinert and Thad Lewis too, didn't they?

    Yes ... But Teul starts if Manuel doesn't.

    Zombo

  • 27 of the 32 starters were first or second round picks. 24 were first round picks. Brees, Kaep, and Dalton were very high 2nd round picks, BTW. Wilson, Brady, and Romo are the only current "exceptions," guys were true finds after round 2.

    But Pryor is on track to start in Oakland, not whatsisname.

    Bottom line: Starting quarterback is the most first-round-centric position in football.

  • 27 of the 32 starters were first or second round picks. 24 were first round picks. Brees, Kaep, and Dalton were very high 2nd round picks, BTW. Wilson, Brady, and Romo are the only current "exceptions," guys were true finds after round 2.

    But Pryor is on track to start in Oakland, not whatsisname.

    Bottom line: Starting quarterback is the most first-round-centric position in football.

    @shep said:

    27 of the 32 starters were first or second round picks. 24 were first round picks. Brees, Kaep, and Dalton were very high 2nd round picks, BTW. Wilson, Brady, and Romo are the only current "exceptions," guys were true finds after round 2.

    But Pryor is on track to start in Oakland, not whatsisname.

    Bottom line: Starting quarterback is the most first-round-centric position in football.

    I don't think Pryor starting is absolutely determined yet. He was a supplemental draft pick...but I can't recall the round. It wasn't first...second?

  • @jrb12711 said:

    2004 will still go down as the best QB draft class since 83? when Marino and the gang were picked. 2012 could also easily fit that bill.

    Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:

    1983: Elway, Marino, Kelly, OBrien, Eason

    1984: Steve Young, Esiason, Hostetler, Schroeder

    1985: Kosar, Cunningham, Bono

    1986: Jim Everett, Rypien, Brister

    1987: Testaverde, Chris Miller, Jim Harbaugh, Rich Gannon, Steve Beuerlein, Majkowski

    1988: Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries

    1989: Aikman, Rodney Peete

    1990: O'Donnell, Jeff George

    1991: Favre, Craig Erickson

    1992: Maddox, Jeff Blake, Brad Johnson

    1993: Bledsoe, Brunell, Grbac, Trent Green

    1994: Dilfer, Frerotte

    1995: McNair, Kerry Collins, Kordell Stewart

    1996: Tony Banks

    1997: Jake Plummer

    1998: P. Manning, M. Hasselbeck, Charlie Batch, Brian Griese

    1999: McNabb, Culpepper, Aaron Brooks, Couch

    2000: Brady, Pennington, Bulger

    2001: Vick, Brees

    2002: Carr, Harrington, David Garrard

    2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman

    2004: E. Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Schaub

    2005: Alex Smith, Rodgers, J. Campbell, Orton

    2006: Cutler, Vince Young

    2007: Kolb, Trent Edward

    2008: Matt Ryan, Flacco, Chud Henne

    2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Josh Freeman

    2010: Bradford.... Tebow, McCoy? (they are the next best two in terms of production)

    2011: Newton, Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick

    These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.

    Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:

    These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.

    Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser

    Interesting. When I gauge that list I was seemingly looking at franchise level QB's. looking over that, I would still contend 2004 was the best year since 83/84. Even though Rivers is declining now all 4 of those guys have been franchise level for years. There seemingly wasn't another class with more than two, or more than one with super bowl rings.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Well, lets look at that, shall we. Here are the most productive members of each quarterback draft class since 1983 inclusive:

    These are not necessarily in order of most productive QB per year....but these groups are the most productive QBs of that particular year. A few years, like 1996-97 really only had one person worth mentioning.

    Note: those in Bold are in the HOF. Those in italics are good chances for future HOF. RED means Super Bowl winner. Blue means Super Bowl loser

    Interesting. When I gauge that list I was seemingly looking at franchise level QB's. looking over that, I would still contend 2004 was the best year since 83/84. Even though Rivers is declining now all 4 of those guys have been franchise level for years. There seemingly wasn't another class with more than two, or more than one with super bowl rings.

    @jrb12711 said:

    Interesting. When I gauge that list I was seemingly looking at franchise level QB's. looking over that, I would still contend 2004 was the best year since 83/84. Even though Rivers is declining now all 4 of those guys have been franchise level for years. There seemingly wasn't another class with more than two, or more than one with super bowl rings.

    Well, if you recall, there was a long time thought that the vaunted class of 1983 could end up without any SB rings. Those guys had all fallen short: Eason lost one, Kelly 4, Elway 3, Marino 1....until Elway's final hurrah in the late 90s that got him his rings. But, for 15 years...1983-1998 they had none.

    That class of 2004 has already doubled 1983 ring total.

  • OK, as for which draft class produced the most Super Bowl winning QBs, here you go:

    1979: 5 4 for Montana and 1 for Phil Simms

    1970: 4 4 for Bradshaw

    2004: 4 2 for E. Manning 2 for Ben Roethlisberger

    1971: 3 2 for Plunkett, 1 for Theisman

    1989: 3 3 for Aikman

    2000: 3 3 for Brady

    1956: 2.5 2 for Starr....and I give a half one to Earl Morrall who started the entire 1972 Dolphins season, but not the SB

    1967: 2 2 for Bob Griese

    1964: 2 2 for Roger Staubach

    1983: 2 2 for John Elway

    1955: 1 1 for John Unitas

    1957: 1 1 for Len Dawson

    1965: 1 1 for Joe Namath

    1968: 1 1 for Ken Stabler

    1978: 1 1 for Doug Williams

    1982: 1 1 for Jim McMahon

    1984: 1 1 for Steve Young

    1986: 1 1 for Mark Rypien

    1991: 1 1 for Bret Favre

    1992: 1 1 for Brad Johnson

    1994: 1 1 for Trent Dilfer

    1998: 1 1 for Peyton Manning

    2001: 1 1 for Drew Brees

    2005: 1 1 for Aaron Rodgers

    2008: 1 1 for Joe Flacco

  • OK, as for which draft class produced the most Super Bowl winning QBs, here you go:

    1979: 5 4 for Montana and 1 for Phil Simms

    1970: 4 4 for Bradshaw

    2004: 4 2 for E. Manning 2 for Ben Roethlisberger

    1971: 3 2 for Plunkett, 1 for Theisman

    1989: 3 3 for Aikman

    2000: 3 3 for Brady

    1956: 2.5 2 for Starr....and I give a half one to Earl Morrall who started the entire 1972 Dolphins season, but not the SB

    1967: 2 2 for Bob Griese

    1964: 2 2 for Roger Staubach

    1983: 2 2 for John Elway

    1955: 1 1 for John Unitas

    1957: 1 1 for Len Dawson

    1965: 1 1 for Joe Namath

    1968: 1 1 for Ken Stabler

    1978: 1 1 for Doug Williams

    1982: 1 1 for Jim McMahon

    1984: 1 1 for Steve Young

    1986: 1 1 for Mark Rypien

    1991: 1 1 for Bret Favre

    1992: 1 1 for Brad Johnson

    1994: 1 1 for Trent Dilfer

    1998: 1 1 for Peyton Manning

    2001: 1 1 for Drew Brees

    2005: 1 1 for Aaron Rodgers

    2008: 1 1 for Joe Flacco

    @the-gipper said:

    OK, as for which draft class produced the most Super Bowl winning QBs, here you go:

    I am going to make some additions to this chart to include all draft classes going back to 1936, and to add some additional matters to some of these current stats:

    1944: 9 7 for Otto Graham, 2 for Bob Waterfield

    1956: 5.5 5 for Bart Starr, 1.5 for Morrall who started for Dolphins regular season but not postseason

    1979: 5 4 for Montana and 1 for Phil Simms

    1970: 4 4 for Bradshaw

    2004: 4 2 for E. Manning 2 for Ben Roethlisberger

    1957: 4 2 for Len Dawson, 2 for Jack Kemp

    1939: 4 4 for Sid Luckman

    1955: 3 3 for John Unitas

    1949: 3 2 for George Blanda, 1 for Norm Van Brocklin

    1971: 3 2 for Plunkett, 1 for Theisman

    1989: 3 3 for Aikman

    2000: 3 3 for Brady

    1956: 2.5 2 for Starr....and I give a half one to Earl Morrall who started the entire 1972 Dolphins season, but not the SB

    1950: 2 2 for Tobin Rote

    1948: 2 2 for Bobby Layne

    1952: 2 1 for Bill Wade 1 for Don Heinrich

    1937: 2 2 for Sammy Baugh

    1967: 2 2 for Bob Griese

    1964: 2 2 for Roger Staubach

    1983: 2 2 for John Elway

    1940: 2 2 for Tommy Thompson (though he was undrafted)

    1994: 2 1 for Trent Dilfer, 1 for Kurt Warner (undrafted)

    1955: 1 1 for John Unitas

    1957: 1 1 for Len Dawson

    1965: 1 1 for Joe Namath

    1968: 1 1 for Ken Stabler

    1978: 1 1 for Doug Williams

    1982: 1 1 for Jim McMahon

    1984: 1 1 for Steve Young

    1986: 1 1 for Mark Rypien

    1991: 1 1 for Bret Favre

    1992: 1 1 for Brad Johnson

    1994: 1 1 for Trent Dilfer

    1998: 1 1 for Peyton Manning

    2001: 1 1 for Drew Brees

    2005: 1 1 for Aaron Rodgers

    2008: 1 1 for Joe Flacco

    1958: 1 1 for Frank Ryan

    1943: 1 1 for Irv Comp

    1941: 1 1 for Paul Christman

  • WOW over load On QBs great job thou

  • WOW over load On QBs great job thou

    @tampadawgs said:

    WOW over load On QBs great job thou

    You will be tested on all this 😎