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  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Damn straight. Men should not touch other men. If you absolutely have to, make sure it's a handshake. With gloves on, preferably.

    Thank god real american men play a sport where they dress up in spandex, wear a load of padding and wait for one man to reach under another man's ass and grab a ball before running for 20 seconds and then having a break.

    Perspective is everything.

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    @gftchris said:

    Damn straight. Men should not touch other men. If you absolutely have to, make sure it's a handshake. With gloves on, preferably.

    Thank god real american men play a sport where they dress up in spandex, wear a load of padding and wait for one man to reach under another man's ass and grab a ball before running for 20 seconds and then having a break.

    Perspective is everything.

    The perspective is that the object of football is to hit the other guy...all players on the field are allowed to hit all the other guys on the field, within certain limitations (like spearing and head shots)....The object of football is not to hit the ball as in other sports.

    Even in rugby where you can tackle the ball carrier, you are not allowed to hit the other guys on the field unless they have the ball (at least that is my understanding...that there is no "blocking" in rugby). Again, not so in football.

  • @gftchris said:

    Damn straight. Men should not touch other men. If you absolutely have to, make sure it's a handshake. With gloves on, preferably.

    Thank god real american men play a sport where they dress up in spandex, wear a load of padding and wait for one man to reach under another man's ass and grab a ball before running for 20 seconds and then having a break.

    Perspective is everything.

    The perspective is that the object of football is to hit the other guy...all players on the field are allowed to hit all the other guys on the field, within certain limitations (like spearing and head shots)....The object of football is not to hit the ball as in other sports.

    Even in rugby where you can tackle the ball carrier, you are not allowed to hit the other guys on the field unless they have the ball (at least that is my understanding...that there is no "blocking" in rugby). Again, not so in football.

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    @the-gipper said:

    The perspective is that the object of football is to hit the other guy...all players on the field are allowed to hit all the other guys on the field, within certain limitations (like spearing and head shots)....The object of football is not to hit the ball as in other sports.

    Even in rugby where you can tackle the ball carrier, you are not allowed to hit the other guys on the field unless they have the ball (at least that is my understanding...that there is no "blocking" in rugby). Again, not so in football.

    Yep, you have to actually use your brain to get the better of people in some sports...

    Suh SMASH!!!

  • @the-gipper said:

    I have seen these games....and they are supposed to be the best of the best.....and in these games, the refs are constantly getting it wrong.

    The world cup does not produce the best football. These teams are thrown together a few times a year to play, as opposed to the domestic teams that play together every day.

    Imagine there's a tournament in the offseason where each state picks a team of players from that state. They'll be NFL players, but because they don't get much time together, they can't really gel that well as a team. But still, everyone cheers like mad for their own state, because they're representing.

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    @gftchris said:

    The world cup does not produce the best football. These teams are thrown together a few times a year to play, as opposed to the domestic teams that play together every day.

    Imagine there's a tournament in the offseason where each state picks a team of players from that state. They'll be NFL players, but because they don't get much time together, they can't really gel that well as a team. But still, everyone cheers like mad for their own state, because they're representing.

    OK, I can see that. It would be like taking any NFL team and matching them up against a hastily put together all star team. The team that has practiced and played together for years should have an advantage over the talented, but less organized all star team.

    It is one of the reasons that All Star games in the likes of hockey/basketball/football are usually poor displays of the best of each sport. (I suspect soccer would be the same). The one exception is baseball. So much of baseball is based on individuality. The essence of the pitcher against the batter doesn't really change whether it is a regular team game or an All star matchup. A great defensive play by a shortstop or an outfielder doesn't rely on the aid of the fellow defenders.

    Baseball is truly the beautiful game. Just the fact that there can be variances in the actual field of play from park to park is also something that differentiates baseball from most other sports. In one park you may have to hit a ball 400 feet down a foul line, where in other parks it can be as little as 300 feet.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I have seen these games....and they are supposed to be the best of the best.....and in these games, the refs are constantly getting it wrong.

    The world cup does not produce the best football. These teams are thrown together a few times a year to play, as opposed to the domestic teams that play together every day.

    Imagine there's a tournament in the offseason where each state picks a team of players from that state. They'll be NFL players, but because they don't get much time together, they can't really gel that well as a team. But still, everyone cheers like mad for their own state, because they're representing.

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    @gftchris said:

    The world cup does not produce the best football. These teams are thrown together a few times a year to play, as opposed to the domestic teams that play together every day.

    Imagine there's a tournament in the offseason where each state picks a team of players from that state. They'll be NFL players, but because they don't get much time together, they can't really gel that well as a team. But still, everyone cheers like mad for their own state, because they're representing.

    I wish they would condense the Champions League into a month similar to the World Cup. That would probably be soccer's best bet of catching America's short attention span. Play it right about now every year so the only competition would be baseball and a few tennis and golf tournaments and you'll get some great ratings across the pond.

  • @the-gipper said:

    The perspective is that the object of football is to hit the other guy...all players on the field are allowed to hit all the other guys on the field, within certain limitations (like spearing and head shots)....The object of football is not to hit the ball as in other sports.

    Even in rugby where you can tackle the ball carrier, you are not allowed to hit the other guys on the field unless they have the ball (at least that is my understanding...that there is no "blocking" in rugby). Again, not so in football.

    Yep, you have to actually use your brain to get the better of people in some sports...

    Suh SMASH!!!

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    @gftchris said:

    Yep, you have to actually use your brain to get the better of people in some sports...

    Suh SMASH!!!

    Actually, football is the game that perhaps needs the most intelligence because it requires the most coordination of effort of all the players on the field.

    As noted above, one beauty of baseball is the individuality of the sport, in football it is very much the opposite. Every person on an 11 man offense or defense have there assignments.....and that effort of, yes, smashing into the opponents requires brute force....it also requires more cooperative effort, more technique, more...intelligence to accomplish the results you want than most of the other sports. You often hear how one man having a breakdown in their assignment can ruin an entire play. Its true.

  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by

    Brazil certainly did nazi that one coming.

    Anyone? Anyone?

  • @gftchris said:

    Yep, you have to actually use your brain to get the better of people in some sports...

    Suh SMASH!!!

    Actually, football is the game that perhaps needs the most intelligence because it requires the most coordination of effort of all the players on the field.

    As noted above, one beauty of baseball is the individuality of the sport, in football it is very much the opposite. Every person on an 11 man offense or defense have there assignments.....and that effort of, yes, smashing into the opponents requires brute force....it also requires more cooperative effort, more technique, more...intelligence to accomplish the results you want than most of the other sports. You often hear how one man having a breakdown in their assignment can ruin an entire play. Its true.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by

    @the-gipper said:

    Actually, football is the game that perhaps needs the most intelligence because it requires the most coordination of effort of all the players on the field.

    As noted above, one beauty of baseball is the individuality of the sport, in football it is very much the opposite. Every person on an 11 man offense or defense have there assignments.....and that effort of, yes, smashing into the opponents requires brute force....it also requires more cooperative effort, more technique, more...intelligence to accomplish the results you want than most of the other sports. You often hear how one man having a breakdown in their assignment can ruin an entire play. Its true.

    I wouldn't say football requires the most intelligence. The thing about football is all of the positions are so different. You can't just take the most positive aspects of each and call that football.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Well put about the offsides rule. His assessment that it promoted lazy defense could not be more wrong. I've played defense my entire life, offsides is just another element I need to consider. Also, completely opening the game up and turning it into kickball would ruin it.

    But, like we've said before, his limited knowledge of the game isn't stopping him from trying to impose rule changes. Though it should, because he has no idea what he's talking about.

    Yep, all I am trying to do is to make it less boring. To infuse more offense. You could live with the game being more exciting. After all, baseball adopted the designated hitter, football adopted the no bump and run rule, basketball adopted the 3 point shot.

    But by all means, keep your archaic, boring rules.

    The WC will be over in a few days and no one, anywhere will have to talk soccer again for another 4 years....or at least until the Olympics.

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    @the-gipper said:

    Yep, all I am trying to do is to make it less boring. To infuse more offense. You could live with the game being more exciting. After all, baseball adopted the designated hitter, football adopted the no bump and run rule, basketball adopted the 3 point shot.

    But by all means, keep your archaic, boring rules.

    The WC will be over in a few days and no one, anywhere will have to talk soccer again for another 4 years....or at least until the Olympics.

    Removing offsides in soccer is a much bigger change than the ones you mentioned. The rest of the world and a good bit of America find the sport plenty exciting already.

    I find baseball incredibly dull and slow. I could think of ways that would make it more exciting for me, but it would completely change the sport.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Actually, football is the game that perhaps needs the most intelligence because it requires the most coordination of effort of all the players on the field.

    As noted above, one beauty of baseball is the individuality of the sport, in football it is very much the opposite. Every person on an 11 man offense or defense have there assignments.....and that effort of, yes, smashing into the opponents requires brute force....it also requires more cooperative effort, more technique, more...intelligence to accomplish the results you want than most of the other sports. You often hear how one man having a breakdown in their assignment can ruin an entire play. Its true.

    I wouldn't say football requires the most intelligence. The thing about football is all of the positions are so different. You can't just take the most positive aspects of each and call that football.

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    @mld-woody said:

    I wouldn't say football requires the most intelligence. The thing about football is all of the positions are so different. You can't just take the most positive aspects of each and call that football.

    In soccer you are often required to do someone else's job. A counter attack might result in a forward having to do some defending, or a defender may suddenly find himself through on goal. There's nothing close to the level of specialisation you have in the NFL, where you wouldn't ask a WR to suddenly play guard for a minute because the starter couldn't make it up the pitch in time.

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by DieHardBrownsFan

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  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by

    Best so far for me:

  • @mld-woody said:

    I wouldn't say football requires the most intelligence. The thing about football is all of the positions are so different. You can't just take the most positive aspects of each and call that football.

    In soccer you are often required to do someone else's job. A counter attack might result in a forward having to do some defending, or a defender may suddenly find himself through on goal. There's nothing close to the level of specialisation you have in the NFL, where you wouldn't ask a WR to suddenly play guard for a minute because the starter couldn't make it up the pitch in time.

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    @gftchris said:

    In soccer you are often required to do someone else's job. A counter attack might result in a forward having to do some defending, or a defender may suddenly find himself through on goal. There's nothing close to the level of specialisation you have in the NFL, where you wouldn't ask a WR to suddenly play guard for a minute because the starter couldn't make it up the pitch in time.

    Uhmm, right. The NFL is a far more specialized game. That is why I say the intellect in football must be at a high level. Each of those "specialists" have their own tasks to perform, but they must be performed in concert with what each of the other specialists are doing out there in order for the entire team to perform properly and to make a play come off as designed.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Yep, all I am trying to do is to make it less boring. To infuse more offense. You could live with the game being more exciting. After all, baseball adopted the designated hitter, football adopted the no bump and run rule, basketball adopted the 3 point shot.

    But by all means, keep your archaic, boring rules.

    The WC will be over in a few days and no one, anywhere will have to talk soccer again for another 4 years....or at least until the Olympics.

    Removing offsides in soccer is a much bigger change than the ones you mentioned. The rest of the world and a good bit of America find the sport plenty exciting already.

    I find baseball incredibly dull and slow. I could think of ways that would make it more exciting for me, but it would completely change the sport.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by

    @mld-woody said:

    Removing offsides in soccer is a much bigger change than the ones you mentioned. The rest of the world and a good bit of America find the sport plenty exciting already.

    I find baseball incredibly dull and slow. I could think of ways that would make it more exciting for me, but it would completely change the sport.

    Every single pitch of a baseball game could result in some significant action, be it from a home run to a strike out. Every pitch is mano a mano.

    The hardest skill in any sport I know of is to hit a round ball with a round bat.

    I mean, what changes could you suggest to make the game more exciting? Tossing the ball underhand? Playing in kilts? Using a golf ball?

    Please, tell us.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Removing offsides in soccer is a much bigger change than the ones you mentioned. The rest of the world and a good bit of America find the sport plenty exciting already.

    I find baseball incredibly dull and slow. I could think of ways that would make it more exciting for me, but it would completely change the sport.

    Every single pitch of a baseball game could result in some significant action, be it from a home run to a strike out. Every pitch is mano a mano.

    The hardest skill in any sport I know of is to hit a round ball with a round bat.

    I mean, what changes could you suggest to make the game more exciting? Tossing the ball underhand? Playing in kilts? Using a golf ball?

    Please, tell us.

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    @the-gipper said:

    Every single pitch of a baseball game could result in some significant action, be it from a home run to a strike out. Every pitch is mano a mano.

    The hardest skill in any sport I know of is to hit a round ball with a round bat.

    I mean, what changes could you suggest to make the game more exciting? Tossing the ball underhand? Playing in kilts? Using a golf ball?

    Please, tell us.

    Steroids and HGH.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Removing offsides in soccer is a much bigger change than the ones you mentioned. The rest of the world and a good bit of America find the sport plenty exciting already.

    I find baseball incredibly dull and slow. I could think of ways that would make it more exciting for me, but it would completely change the sport.

    Every single pitch of a baseball game could result in some significant action, be it from a home run to a strike out. Every pitch is mano a mano.

    The hardest skill in any sport I know of is to hit a round ball with a round bat.

    I mean, what changes could you suggest to make the game more exciting? Tossing the ball underhand? Playing in kilts? Using a golf ball?

    Please, tell us.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by

    @the-gipper said:

    Every single pitch of a baseball game could result in some significant action, be it from a home run to a strike out. Every pitch is mano a mano.

    The hardest skill in any sport I know of is to hit a round ball with a round bat.

    I mean, what changes could you suggest to make the game more exciting? Tossing the ball underhand? Playing in kilts? Using a golf ball?

    Please, tell us.

    Percentage wise, it's harder to save a PK.

    Idk. I find the sport so incredibly boring to begin with I'd have to make massive changes. Ummm... Allow contact and allow guys on the field to block the runner on the way to the base. Make it like crazy kickball and allow an unlimited number of players on each base. Collisions at every base. Still playing when there is a light drizzle... Adding more athletic elements

  • @gftchris said:

    In soccer you are often required to do someone else's job. A counter attack might result in a forward having to do some defending, or a defender may suddenly find himself through on goal. There's nothing close to the level of specialisation you have in the NFL, where you wouldn't ask a WR to suddenly play guard for a minute because the starter couldn't make it up the pitch in time.

    Uhmm, right. The NFL is a far more specialized game. That is why I say the intellect in football must be at a high level. Each of those "specialists" have their own tasks to perform, but they must be performed in concert with what each of the other specialists are doing out there in order for the entire team to perform properly and to make a play come off as designed.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by

    @the-gipper said:

    Uhmm, right. The NFL is a far more specialized game. That is why I say the intellect in football must be at a high level. Each of those "specialists" have their own tasks to perform, but they must be performed in concert with what each of the other specialists are doing out there in order for the entire team to perform properly and to make a play come off as designed.

    Not every position in football requires one to be a great tactician. Not every person needs to be perfect each play.

    Plays happen in soccer too, they're just on the fly and with a smaller number of players involved.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Every single pitch of a baseball game could result in some significant action, be it from a home run to a strike out. Every pitch is mano a mano.

    The hardest skill in any sport I know of is to hit a round ball with a round bat.

    I mean, what changes could you suggest to make the game more exciting? Tossing the ball underhand? Playing in kilts? Using a golf ball?

    Please, tell us.

    Percentage wise, it's harder to save a PK.

    Idk. I find the sport so incredibly boring to begin with I'd have to make massive changes. Ummm... Allow contact and allow guys on the field to block the runner on the way to the base. Make it like crazy kickball and allow an unlimited number of players on each base. Collisions at every base. Still playing when there is a light drizzle... Adding more athletic elements

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    @mld-woody said:

    Percentage wise, it's harder to save a PK.

    Idk. I find the sport so incredibly boring to begin with I'd have to make massive changes. Ummm... Allow contact and allow guys on the field to block the runner on the way to the base. Make it like crazy kickball and allow an unlimited number of players on each base. Collisions at every base. Still playing when there is a light drizzle... Adding more athletic elements

    OK then, why don't we just allow soccer players to grab, tackle, punch, kick each other with no penalty.

    In fact, lets change soccer so that the motherfuckers can use their hands.

    After all, after our brains the single most important thing about human beings is that we have hands.

    (the answer is: they have already done that, it is called Handball and is mostly played in Europe. It is essentially soccer held on a smaller court with a softball sized ball)

  • @the-gipper said:

    Uhmm, right. The NFL is a far more specialized game. That is why I say the intellect in football must be at a high level. Each of those "specialists" have their own tasks to perform, but they must be performed in concert with what each of the other specialists are doing out there in order for the entire team to perform properly and to make a play come off as designed.

    Not every position in football requires one to be a great tactician. Not every person needs to be perfect each play.

    Plays happen in soccer too, they're just on the fly and with a smaller number of players involved.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by

    @mld-woody said:

    Not every position in football requires one to be a great tactician. Not every person needs to be perfect each play.

    Plays happen in soccer too, they're just on the fly and with a smaller number of players involved.

    Yea, like basketball.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by

    For you soccer fans, if you like the way that game was decided yesterday, please go to your bathroom, look at yourself in the mirror and say "I am looking at a fucking Retard". Because that is what deciding the most important tournament in the sport is with penalty kicks: Retarded.

    If you enjoyed that, please go to your local geneticist and have yourself tested for Down's Syndrome.

  • @mld-woody said:

    Not every position in football requires one to be a great tactician. Not every person needs to be perfect each play.

    Plays happen in soccer too, they're just on the fly and with a smaller number of players involved.

    Yea, like basketball.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by

    @the-gipper said:

    Yea, like basketball.

    Yeah, pretty much. More elaborate, but pretty much the same basic concept