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  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite wrote on
    #18

    The trade down is ONLY good if Gilbert and our acquired Buffalo pick in 2015 pan out.

    If they know they were going to be without Gordon for the year, and not a blow away WR prospect in 2015 why not just draft Watkins for ourselves?

    ALSO - if the new NFL rules are WAY TOUGHER on defenses and playing pass defense then why not draft the fast athletic WR instead of the fast athletic DB?

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #19

    Probably because unless that rookie WR is Randy Moss or AJ Green, said rookie would not have impacted the potential win total on this team. Rookie WR's hardly ever do. I don't even think Detroit had a +win season following the drafting of Megatron.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    Probably because unless that rookie WR is Randy Moss or AJ Green, said rookie would not have impacted the potential win total on this team. Rookie WR's hardly ever do. I don't even think Detroit had a +win season following the drafting of Megatron.

    WalterWhiteW WalterWhite wrote on
    #20

    @tiamat63 said:

    said rookie would not have impacted the potential win total on this team. Rookie WR's hardly ever do.

    neither do rookie CB's.

    Sammy Watkins is a better WR prospect than Justin Gilbert is CB prospect IMO

  • PlaygroundLegendP PlaygroundLegend wrote on
    #21

    Sammy Watkins wont be a Dez Bryant/Calvin Johnson/Randy Moss Type Player

    He will be good, no doubt.. but he wont be a franchise changing WR in the NFL (the type you give up 2 picks for)

    He doesn't have those type of ball skills.

    He's like Percy Harvin.. only bigger.. essentially a big Percy Harvin.. So a Percy Harvin that can play outside essentialy

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #22

    Based on...what? Injury history alone would favor Gilbert. But hey, I'm sure you have a huge pack of straws to grasp at.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    Based on...what? Injury history alone would favor Gilbert. But hey, I'm sure you have a huge pack of straws to grasp at.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #23

    @tiamat63 said:

    Based on...what?

    what?

  • R RoyceRolls wrote on
    #24

    Calvin Johnson has won super bowls just like dez Bryant and AJ green and Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson and Brandon Marshall and josh Gordon.... Oh wait no josh Gordon didn't win the Super Bowl last year.... The browns went 4-12. If only tom Brady had an elite receiver, like randy moss, he would've won a Super Bowl by now. What a shame.

  • R RoyceRolls

    Calvin Johnson has won super bowls just like dez Bryant and AJ green and Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson and Brandon Marshall and josh Gordon.... Oh wait no josh Gordon didn't win the Super Bowl last year.... The browns went 4-12. If only tom Brady had an elite receiver, like randy moss, he would've won a Super Bowl by now. What a shame.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #25

    @roycerolls said:

    Calvin Johnson has won super bowls just like dez Bryant and AJ green and Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson and Brandon Marshall and josh Gordon.... Oh wait no josh Gordon didn't win the Super Bowl last year.... The browns went 4-12. If only tom Brady had an elite receiver, like randy moss, he would've won a Super Bowl by now. What a shame.

    gotta love truth when it is spoken.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    i agree BUT

    gilbert

    manziel

    bitonio

    kirksey

    who's left in the 4th that woulda been a game changer?

    they had to ride out one crack in the foundation. now they know where they stand with gordon. wouldn't be surprised if farmer waited until the 2-3 round next year considering the bust average on top ten WR picks.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #26

    @miktoxic said:

    i agree BUT

    gilbert

    manziel

    bitonio

    kirksey

    who's left in the 4th that woulda been a game changer?

    they had to ride out one crack in the foundation. now they know where they stand with gordon. wouldn't be surprised if farmer waited until the 2-3 round next year considering the bust average on top ten WR picks.

    Gilbert

    Benjamin

    Bitonio

    Kirksey

    OR

    Bortles

    Bitonio

    Kirksey

    Shaq Evans

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #27

    shoulda woulda coulda.

    don't blow the bortles horn just yet even though i agreed with you then that he was the best of the class right next to carr and garoffallo.

    evans will be the best rookie receiver, just ask manziel why.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT 1 Reply
  • A Alkid3 wrote on
    #28

    Gilbert was a solid pick. Watkins is already injured with preseason pt. Imagine what happens when he actually play games. He's fragile. Gilbert will no be a game changer out the gate but he will be in due time.

  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite

    With Gordon's career up in a cloud of smoke, we didn't address the receiver position and should have just drafted Sammy Watkins.

    I just hope this isn't another trade down like passing on Julio Jones for average players.

    We are literally fucked.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #29

    @walterwhite said:

    With Gordon's career up in a cloud of smoke, we didn't address the receiver position and should have just drafted Sammy Watkins.

    I just hope this isn't another trade down like passing on Julio Jones for average players.

    We are literally fucked.

    So was Braylon Edwards, taken at #3 overall. So, nothing is a no brainer. We really don't know if Watkins is going to be Calvin Johnson.....or Charles Rogers.

  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite

    The trade down is ONLY good if Gilbert and our acquired Buffalo pick in 2015 pan out.

    If they know they were going to be without Gordon for the year, and not a blow away WR prospect in 2015 why not just draft Watkins for ourselves?

    ALSO - if the new NFL rules are WAY TOUGHER on defenses and playing pass defense then why not draft the fast athletic WR instead of the fast athletic DB?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #30

    @walterwhite said:

    The trade down is ONLY good if Gilbert and our acquired Buffalo pick in 2015 pan out.

    Or if Watkins doesn't pan out.

    If they know they were going to be without Gordon for the year, and not a blow away WR prospect in 2015 why not just draft Watkins for ourselves?

    ALSO - if the new NFL rules are WAY TOUGHER on defenses and playing pass defense then why not draft the fast athletic WR instead of the fast athletic DB?

    Look, OK, its an argument. But it is water over the dam. We shoulda never traded Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis. Damn guy goes and dies on us.

    We shoulda never traded Paul Warfield for Mike Phipps.

    We got over those, you will get over this.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    shoulda woulda coulda.

    don't blow the bortles horn just yet even though i agreed with you then that he was the best of the class right next to carr and garoffallo.

    evans will be the best rookie receiver, just ask manziel why.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #31

    @miktoxic said:

    shoulda woulda coulda.

    don't blow the bortles horn just yet even though i agreed with you then that he was the best of the class right next to carr and garoffallo.

    evans will be the best rookie receiver, just ask manziel why.

    I put the Bortles "mock" just to ruffle some feathers.

    Overall, I was happy with our draft - even the Manziel trade. I think we addressed many needs and found solid players. However, and I'll say this until the day I die, I think Kelvin Benjamin would have been a great pickup in the late first. He's a player that we could have paired opposite Gordon, a la Marshall/Jeffery in Chicago, and he's also talented enough to be a #1 on his own.

    Evans may be the best WR to come out of this draft, but Benjamin would have been a better fit for us and would have come at a better price.

    Either way, the past is past and the future is now. We're in position to grab two solid starters in the first round next season. Depending on how things line up, those two could be big positions of need. We may be saying "Josh Gordon who?" by this time next year.

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  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #32

    This time next year when we are sitting there with two excellent high #1 rookies and a reformed JG, this whole thread will look foolish. (Hopefully).

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT 1 Reply
  • W Westside Steve wrote on
    #33

    wide receiver needs to be in sync with his quarterback and has to be well versed in running his route it's something that comes with at least some time.

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  • T TexasAg1969

    This time next year when we are sitting there with two excellent high #1 rookies and a reformed JG, this whole thread will look foolish. (Hopefully).

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #34

    @texasag1969 said:

    This time next year when we are sitting there with two excellent high #1 rookies and a reformed JG, this whole thread will look foolish. (Hopefully).

    We already had one excellent high rookie...and look where that has gotten us.

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    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • PlaygroundLegendP PlaygroundLegend

    Sammy Watkins wont be a Dez Bryant/Calvin Johnson/Randy Moss Type Player

    He will be good, no doubt.. but he wont be a franchise changing WR in the NFL (the type you give up 2 picks for)

    He doesn't have those type of ball skills.

    He's like Percy Harvin.. only bigger.. essentially a big Percy Harvin.. So a Percy Harvin that can play outside essentialy

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #35

    @playgroundlegend said:

    Sammy Watkins wont be a Dez Bryant/Calvin Johnson/Randy Moss Type Player

    Nah... more Larry Fitzgerald-ish...

    Were you serious when you said "no ball skills"?

    @alkid3 said:

    Watkins is... fragile.

    Fragile? Really? Missed 3 games in three years and he's fragile?

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Evans may be the best WR to come out of this draft...

    I think the new "emphasis" on contact reduces even the small chance I gave Evans of being a good WR...

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #36

    evans is so big, tall and physical that a college QB made his career out of tossing balls his way.

    mccown will do the same. he's looked like a beast this preseason while watkins is somewhere shopping for car(s) and house(s).

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #37

    Just FYI, Watkins is out again with a rib injury. Still thinking it was a no brainer?

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