Gilbert in the first round?
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The trade down was the right move but the problem is the worthless players we get out of these trade downs...
Phil Taylor, Brandon Weeden, and Justin Gilbert are not first round material.
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Petine and Farmer aren't going anywhere. If Haslam were to get rid of Petine he would have to coach the Browns himself.
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I've been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
I've been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
the new 3 post genius.
or how about gilbert at 8 and a WR at 22 you dolt?
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I've been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
ve been a Browns fan since birth and after 50 years I will now stop saying, "there's always next year".
Can anyone please explain why the Browns didn't draft Mike Evans at #4 and a Q.B. At #26?
They weren't planning on playing the rookie quarterback so why not draft Garapollo at 26 leaving plenty of time to get the worst cornerback in the draft.
Gilbert is a bust and we now have Andrew Hawkins as our first string wide receiver. Ray Farmer and Petine will be job hunting next year. Let me do the draft! At least I know how!
First... pay attention to your elders, kid.
Second, are you decrying the Hawkins that is 14th in the league in receiving yardage with 244 on 21 catches? The Hawkins who is our #2 WR behind Austin? (Who by the way has 14 catches for 115.)
And you're wanting Evans??? Mike Evans??? The TB rookie that has 13 catches for 148?
Not #4 overall Watkins (13 for 176 despite missing a game)? Or #20 Cooks (18 for 168)?
Watkins and Cooks too short.. OK...
How 'bout #28 overall Benjamin (16 for 263)?
Let you run our draft? Ummmm... no. Not if you'd have taken Evans at #4... or #8.
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to call him a bust after 3 games is ...ummm...not smart...I bet the Patriots are still really pissed off that they didnt trade or cut Tom Brady after his 8th week 3-4. or how about Troy Aikman 1-15 his first year. I bet Dallas still f'n heated they didn't cut him straight out...so yea lets judge our guys after a game or two or maybe three
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You're comparing Justin Gilbert to hall of fame QB's.
Think about that.
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You're comparing Justin Gilbert to hall of fame QB's.
Think about that.
You're comparing Justin Gilbert to hall of fame QB's.
Think about that.
umm...were they Hall of Famers their first year? Or were they losing straight out of the gate...which is my point . Do not write them off so soon.
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walter is just a big fucking bitch right now.
who pissed in your wheaties?
3 fricking games which one of the players you're screaming about has only played 2.
trade manziel. with your thinking with the 6 plays we've seen of him he is a bust and bye bye.
meanwhile you were sucking his cock for like 4 months.
are you smoking dust or something?
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I agree, it is pretty sorry that after 3 games some are calling players busts....it's crazy.
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I hope that every person bitching about busts is a rich and successful billionaire who knew how to do everything at an expert level before ever having to try it. Just came out of the womb ready to ride a bike and shit in a toilet.
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CB's historically are not very good as rookies. There is a big difference defending one or two WR's a year with NFL talent compared to every game doing it. Guys like Leon Hall, Jonathan Joesph, even Patrick Peterson were not very good year one. I'd not worry too much this year, but if after next year you don't see improvment then you can worry a bit.
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What happened to our fans? Bunch of whiny bitches anymore. 3 games? WTF, it's not out of the ordinary for rookie cornerbacks to struggle.
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Lose a close game because of a blocked fg and suddenly it's Alice in Wonderland ("Off with their heads!!").
Now if West hadn't moved on Johnny's 37 yd. gain and if the fg was made would we be saying, "Pettine is King of the World!!" ? Yeah!
So we lost a close one. Who doesn't in the NFL?
Pussies.
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walter is just a big fucking bitch right now.
who pissed in your wheaties?
3 fricking games which one of the players you're screaming about has only played 2.
trade manziel. with your thinking with the 6 plays we've seen of him he is a bust and bye bye.
meanwhile you were sucking his cock for like 4 months.
are you smoking dust or something?
walter is just a big fucking bitch right now.
He had a good couple weeks between the end of his JM affair and 1st half of our opener.
Or was it between opener's halftime and game 3's halftime?
Pussies.
Clearly... posting here has affected you...
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If the GMs of their respective teams thought like some of you Browns "fans" did, the following players would've been considered busts in their first year and been cut/traded:
Robert Mathis: 3 sacks in his first year
Robert Quinn: 5 sacks in his first year
Greg Hardy: 3 sacks in his first year
Mario Williams: 4.5 sacks in his first year
Cameron Jordan: 1 sack in his first year
Brent Grimes: 1 int, 6 PD in first two years.
Tim Jennings: 0 int, 3 PD in first two years.
So let's check the OMG-the-sky-is-falling attitude for a bit.
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That's why I hate drafting in the top 10. You always expect that guy to be a superstar and when he's not we tend to freak out. Pick somebody at 25 and there's not as much pressure. I'd rather trade a top 10 pick for 3 second round trips to the well.
WSS
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That's why I hate drafting in the top 10. You always expect that guy to be a superstar and when he's not we tend to freak out. Pick somebody at 25 and there's not as much pressure. I'd rather trade a top 10 pick for 3 second round trips to the well.
WSS
That's why I hate drafting in the top 10. You always expect that guy to be a superstar and when he's not we tend to freak out. Pick somebody at 25 and there's not as much pressure. I'd rather trade a top 10 pick for 3 second round trips to the well.
WSS
Especially in this last draft where half the second round picks were first round talent.
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Um... it's perfectly normal that a rookie CB struggles out of the gate. Three games and you're calling him a bust?
Ridiculous.
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The issue isn't Gilbert, it was Manziel. We could had gotten a number of other solid players but we choose to take a QB that will be nothing but a gimmick show this season.
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