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Is the defensive scheme the problem? Or is it the players?

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  • JAFBFJ JAFBF wrote on
    #30

    Here's a follow up to the presser I heard :

    http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/8658/oneil-pettines-past-defenses-improved-over-season

    Of note as I mentioned :

    So when defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil points out that the successful system run by the Browns started slowly in its first seasons with the Jets in 2009 and the Bills in 2013, it’s worth checking.

    Here are the numbers:

    The Jets gave up 303 yards per game and 17 points per game in the first six games in ’09, the year Rex Ryan was hired and Mike Pettine was defensive coordinator.

    They gave up 221.7 yards per game and 13.2 points per game the final 10 games.

    Things got better as the season progressed: In ’09, the Jets ended the season on a playoff run by giving up 6, 13, 3, 13, 15 and 0 points, respectively, in the final six games -- an average of 8.3 per game.

    In Buffalo in 2013, with Pettine as defensive coordinator and O’Neil his right-hand man, the Bills gave up 395 yards and 22.7 points in the first six games.

    The final 10, they gave up an average of 296.4 yard and 23.1 points.

    Clearly, the points-against numbers in Buffalo were not good, as the Bills gave up more than 20 points in four of the last five games, and more than 30 in two.

    But the trend in yardage with both teams (and in points with one of the teams) was positive as the season progressed.

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on
    #31

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #32

    Other factors? For example weather?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • D BoneD D Bone wrote on
    #33

    With the way the D performed with some new faces having to step in for the injured, it looks like the needle edges towards the "player" side rather than scheme.

  • D BoneD D Bone

    With the way the D performed with some new faces having to step in for the injured, it looks like the needle edges towards the "player" side rather than scheme.

    JAFBFJ JAFBF wrote on
    #34

    @d-bone said:

    With the way the D performed with some new faces having to step in for the injured, it looks like the needle edges towards the "player" side rather than scheme.

    True, but it is also about week 6 (even though it's game 5) when they say things start to come together.

    They went more coverage today than pass rush and it helped a bit - at least it was better than last weeks D.

    Curious to see how they play when/if the normal Starters come back.

    We're gettin' thin at a few spots - lots of injuries this game.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #35

    all you naysayers can now suck my dick....bitches.

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    you know jack about shite.

    where's cbus, where's walter where's everyone that said our D sucks?

    suck this.

    Mark OM Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    all you naysayers can now suck my dick....bitches.

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    you know jack about shite.

    where's cbus, where's walter where's everyone that said our D sucks?

    suck this.

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on
    #36

    @miktoxic said:

    all you naysayers can now suck my dick....bitches.

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    you know jack about shite.

    where's cbus, where's walter where's everyone that said our D sucks?

    suck this.

    Exactly...

  • jcam222J jcam222 wrote on
    #37

    I think today answers whether its the scheme or players. Today the players executed and played a full game. a great game

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    all you naysayers can now suck my dick....bitches.

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    you know jack about shite.

    where's cbus, where's walter where's everyone that said our D sucks?

    suck this.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #38

    @miktoxic said:

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    Alliterative... and a new to me word... punces.

    Scoring D was vastly below YTD average... in large part due to two 4th-down stops.

    I suspect 3rd down D was also significantly improved. (PTG converted only 6 of 16)

    Yardage D on the other hand... better, but not vastly... in part no doubt due to some garbage time plays.

    I'd say good situational D by a work still in progress.

    Here's to progress... and more garbage time in our flippin' foes futures...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @miktoxic said:

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    Alliterative... and a new to me word... punces.

    Scoring D was vastly below YTD average... in large part due to two 4th-down stops.

    I suspect 3rd down D was also significantly improved. (PTG converted only 6 of 16)

    Yardage D on the other hand... better, but not vastly... in part no doubt due to some garbage time plays.

    I'd say good situational D by a work still in progress.

    Here's to progress... and more garbage time in our flippin' foes futures...

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #39

    @tour2ma said:

    and a new to me word... punces.

    yes, and once again thanks for correcting me, the slang word is ponce (from withnail and i):

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #40

    lol... funny clip...

    And I did not correct anything... google found "punce"...

    punce

    1. punce (noun)

    a person who is naturally very poor at something:

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • ManzierM Manzier wrote on
    #41

    They adjusted the Defensive scheme for this game. Less blitz. More cover. Less men up front. More men back. Yes, the players executed, but our coaching made the adjustments that threw big ben off his game. Gotta credit them for finding an answer to the poor play leading up to this game.

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