We blew it on Watkins.
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And as it stands, we do have an elite WR in Gordon, so even though it's not necessary, we have one, so lets be happy with that.
I am happy with JG. Thats my point. One star receiver, coupled with some serviceable ones and a decent TE, is all we need to win.
And, even with all those duds you listed(and, wow, they really sucked) Farmer was able to flip(and vastly improve) the WHOLE receiver corps without burning a single draft pick. I think we're on the same page here.
I am happy with JG. Thats my point. One star receiver, coupled with some serviceable ones and a decent TE, is all we need to win.
And, even with all those duds you listed(and, wow, they really sucked) Farmer was able to flip(and vastly improve) the WHOLE receiver corps without burning a single draft pick. I think we're on the same page here.
I'm happy with JG too, when he's on the field. But are you really saying you think Gordon is over his problems and there's no way in hell he's gonna get his 4th strike? Cause next time it's "at least" a year. This is why it was so important to get a #1 either through the draft or FA this year.
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Let's have a contest of the worst, most ignorant threads started on this board.
This one will be nominated very quickly.....
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I am happy with JG. Thats my point. One star receiver, coupled with some serviceable ones and a decent TE, is all we need to win.
And, even with all those duds you listed(and, wow, they really sucked) Farmer was able to flip(and vastly improve) the WHOLE receiver corps without burning a single draft pick. I think we're on the same page here.
I'm happy with JG too, when he's on the field. But are you really saying you think Gordon is over his problems and there's no way in hell he's gonna get his 4th strike? Cause next time it's "at least" a year. This is why it was so important to get a #1 either through the draft or FA this year.
I'm happy with JG too, when he's on the field. But are you really saying you think Gordon is over his problems ?
Yes. I think he is. AND, if he isn't, I think we can get a great receiver for less than our top pick.
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WR least important? Not seeing that at all...
Elite QBs can win without a strong WR corps... but they all want one.
For the bulk of the QBs, the "good" QBs, a strong #1 and strong #2 are borderline essential. The balance can be role players.
Then there are QBs that not even 3 strong WRs can help...
OK, think of it this way. If you're making every player in the league a free agent, and then holding a league-wide, 22-round draft to re-assign a starting 11 on O and D, at what point do you draft a WR? My guess is you go something like:
QB
LT
DE/OLB
CB
DL
OL
Then somewhere around here you look at WRs. I'm sure a few like Megatron go higher, to teams that maybe don't get an elite QB, but it's around the same time you're drafting TEs, RBs, OGs, and your 'fill in' D players.
My guess is you go something like:
QB / LT / DE-OLB / CB / DL / OL
Two things:
- Not really that close to my order... In general, I'm an up the middle guy.
- Odd how far that order is (and mine would be) from a Fantasy order, where top RBs go first.
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I am happy with JG. Thats my point. One star receiver, coupled with some serviceable ones and a decent TE, is all we need to win.
And, even with all those duds you listed(and, wow, they really sucked) Farmer was able to flip(and vastly improve) the WHOLE receiver corps without burning a single draft pick. I think we're on the same page here.
I'm happy with JG too, when he's on the field. But are you really saying you think Gordon is over his problems and there's no way in hell he's gonna get his 4th strike? Cause next time it's "at least" a year. This is why it was so important to get a #1 either through the draft or FA this year.
I'm happy with JG too, when he's on the field. But are you really saying you think Gordon is over his problems...
I thought this whole last episode was 2nd hand smoke and was bullshit, yes, over...
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I'm happy with JG too, when he's on the field. But are you really saying you think Gordon is over his problems ?
Yes. I think he is. AND, if he isn't, I think we can get a great receiver for less than our top pick.
Yes. I think he is. AND, if he isn't, I think we can get a great receiver for less than our top pick.
what information do you have that says he's over it? I mean you'd like to think the guy is grateful as shit he's still on an NFL roster and dodged a major fucking bullet. But what do you know that makes you so sure of this that if you were the GM you also wouldn't have taken Watkins? This is what is puzzling me. How on earth do we knwo that Gordon isn't going to get popped next week for something? His past record makes it almost a certainty that something else at some point is going to come down.
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I'm happy with JG too, when he's on the field. But are you really saying you think Gordon is over his problems...
I thought this whole last episode was 2nd hand smoke and was bullshit, yes, over...
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Two things:
- Not really that close to my order... In general, I'm an up the middle guy.
- Odd how far that order is (and mine would be) from a Fantasy order, where top RBs go first.
OK sure, if you're a "teams are built from the inside out" guy - and the more I see what a dominant OL can do to a team, the more I'm leaning that way - then pick up more linemen higher up. But in your scenario, where do you draft a WR? Assuming you pick up a QB before WR, you also get a DL or two, and OL or two, you're still picking WR at best 6th.
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wouldn't you say it depens on the WR? YOu can't say "we should draft a wr here or there". Same with any position really. Only QB's get a slight pass cause you have to have someone who's not an idiot taking snaps. But at almost every other position don't you look at the type of talent and how it fits on your team? And aren't there some talents you have to take, like Clowney, even though they don't fill an immediate need?
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This conversation is still going on?
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wouldn't you say it depens on the WR? YOu can't say "we should draft a wr here or there". Same with any position really. Only QB's get a slight pass cause you have to have someone who's not an idiot taking snaps. But at almost every other position don't you look at the type of talent and how it fits on your team? And aren't there some talents you have to take, like Clowney, even though they don't fill an immediate need?
wouldn't you say it depens on the WR? YOu can't say "we should draft a wr here or there". Same with any position really. Only QB's get a slight pass cause you have to have someone who's not an idiot taking snaps. But at almost every other position don't you look at the type of talent and how it fits on your team? And aren't there some talents you have to take, like Clowney, even though they don't fill an immediate need?
To a degree, but it's easier to build a winning team with quality at certain positions. It's easier to find quality starters at some positions later on.
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wouldn't you say it depens on the WR? YOu can't say "we should draft a wr here or there". Same with any position really. Only QB's get a slight pass cause you have to have someone who's not an idiot taking snaps. But at almost every other position don't you look at the type of talent and how it fits on your team? And aren't there some talents you have to take, like Clowney, even though they don't fill an immediate need?
To a degree, but it's easier to build a winning team with quality at certain positions. It's easier to find quality starters at some positions later on.
To a degree, but it's easier to build a winning team with quality at certain positions. It's easier to find quality starters at some positions later on.
Doesn't the current rules that basically flag a CB for looking at a WR crosseyed, kind of necessitate now that you have a corp of WR's that can go vertical and run under anything? Like those Rams teams when Warner was there.....if they had these rules how much better would have they have been?
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Unfortunately, cleve's stupid ass repititive whining, ignorant bluster, and dumping
on Gilbert is causing quite a stir. He's worse than boring..... this thread is
not so bad except for the parts where he apparently would love
to give Sammy Watkins great big smoochies...must have a "Bighead Sammy" on his wall.
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To a degree, but it's easier to build a winning team with quality at certain positions. It's easier to find quality starters at some positions later on.
Doesn't the current rules that basically flag a CB for looking at a WR crosseyed, kind of necessitate now that you have a corp of WR's that can go vertical and run under anything? Like those Rams teams when Warner was there.....if they had these rules how much better would have they have been?
Doesn't the current rules that basically flag a CB for looking at a WR crosseyed, kind of necessitate now that you have a corp of WR's that can go vertical and run under anything? Like those Rams teams when Warner was there.....if they had these rules how much better would have they have been?
If anything, that means that an even higher premium is placed on DBs, and it's even easier for WRs to get open, so you can succeed with less talented route runners.
You're kind of defeating yourself here...
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Doesn't the current rules that basically flag a CB for looking at a WR crosseyed, kind of necessitate now that you have a corp of WR's that can go vertical and run under anything? Like those Rams teams when Warner was there.....if they had these rules how much better would have they have been?
If anything, that means that an even higher premium is placed on DBs, and it's even easier for WRs to get open, so you can succeed with less talented route runners.
You're kind of defeating yourself here...
If anything, that means that an even higher premium is placed on DBs, and it's even easier for WRs to get open, so you can succeed with less talented route runners.....a VERY very solid point there. Don't think you can twist that logic, though someone will try.
You're kind of defeating yourself here...seems to happen often
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Taylor Gabriel is 7th amongst all rookies in yards and 1st in average
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George C said:
This is funny..
Whoa, somehow, you guys think draft picks get us to the playoffs. There is a dumpster fire behind our stadium, and it's filled with first round busts, second round busts, and third round busts.
I'll take a star, rather than draft picks because our boat load of prime picks has sunk to the bottom of Lake Erie.
Barky Mingo anyone?
Shall I go on?
it's all a crapshoot dude. mingo was great at LSU but so far he hasn't transitioned his game to the NFL. partly because quite frankly i don't think this staff knows how to use him and partly is mental. i think he has the physical skills but he's just missing it. i'll give him another year.
why is everybody blowing watkins? because he had a good game against the jets? THE FRIGGIN JETS? do you know how bad their D backfield is?
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George C said:
Shall I go on?
No. Wish you had never started really.
And, yes, the road to the playoffs is 100% through the draft. It's proven over and over and over again. To bad Buff wont be participating in picking any of the top talent next year.
And, to beat a dead horse, that heap of bad draft picks wasn't made by this FO. So the constant arguments about our OLD FO have zero bearing on the PRESENT .
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Doesn't the current rules that basically flag a CB for looking at a WR crosseyed, kind of necessitate now that you have a corp of WR's that can go vertical and run under anything? Like those Rams teams when Warner was there.....if they had these rules how much better would have they have been?
If anything, that means that an even higher premium is placed on DBs, and it's even easier for WRs to get open, so you can succeed with less talented route runners.
You're kind of defeating yourself here...
If anything, that means that an even higher premium is placed on DBs, and it's even easier for WRs to get open, so you can succeed with less talented route runners.
You're kind of defeating yourself here...
I see your logic but like I said before, what would those receivers of Warner's have done with these rules? The problem with some of these new rules is that it almost doesn't matter how good a DB is in certain situations...if the ball is thrown correctly and the receiver has run his route, it's a completion. What I think you want now from DB's is that they don't get left once the catch is made. I'm not downplaying the importance of DB's. But what I won't accept is the notion that someone like Watkins or some other major #1's out there would be having the Browns in a better position. There's no question of that. If it wasn't the case, why do any of you care when Gordon gets back? He's not important, we can make it work with our 2nd level talent so fuck it who cares if JG ever plays for us again? You all know that's ridiculous. You all know what the potential of this offense is when you have Gordon back and Cameron is healthy. I'm not saying that every single year you go out and slobber over a #1 receiver. But this year, with Gordons problems....I really don't know what you guys are debating. Watkins is proving we made the wrong call. And to their unexpected credit, guys like Skrine Gipson and Williams are also proving it was the wrong pick. It remains to be seen if it's a horribly wrong pick or not. But how any of you can watch what Sammy's doing in Buffalo and not at least shake your head thinking wow that could have been for us...I don't know what game you're watching. It's not just the Jets game either. Kid is making spectacular catches. If you think Hoyers thrown some shit balls this year, you should see some of the catches that Watkins has reeled in. NO cleveland receiver makes those catches, not Gordon not anybody. We've been screaming at our WR's for years for dropping balls that were thrown right at their sternum.....another reason why last offseason we needed to look WR talent.
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