Browns are Interested in Jenkins?
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Since when does a good secondary not aid the pass rush? The last i checked coverage sacks do occur and you aren't exactly stout at the CB position. Is Daven Holly going to get resigned? I think Jenkins is a good pick at 5, he's a Darrelle Revis type cornerback.
it's not that a good secondary doesn't help the pass rush to get sacks, it's that an effective pass rush is a better tool to get to the QB than good coverage is. coverage sacks take time, and every nanosecond that a QB has increases the likelihood that one of his WRs will break away from a DB. coverage sacks force both the pass rushers and the DBs to exhaust themselves and can lead to them getting burned on the next play.
an effective pass rush compresses or eliminates the pocket time the QB has and can force him into bad decisions or make sure he doesn't get the ball out of his hands at all, which makes the secondary's job much easier. it also keeps the defense fresher because they're not running around as much.
come on, man. as a steeler fan, you see every week that an effective pass rush is one of the best tools a defense can have at its disposal. you should know this stuff.
and, yes, jenkins is an upgrade over mcdonald, but he's projected as a shutdown kinda guy. he's an upgrade over most CBs.
it's not that a good secondary doesn't help the pass rush to get sacks, it's that an effective pass rush is a better tool to get to the QB than good coverage is. coverage sacks take time, and every nanosecond that a QB has increases the likelihood that one of his WRs will break away from a DB. coverage sacks force both the pass rushers and the DBs to exhaust themselves and can lead to them getting burned on the next play.
an effective pass rush compresses or eliminates the pocket time the QB has and can force him into bad decisions or make sure he doesn't get the ball out of his hands at all, which makes the secondary's job much easier. it also keeps the defense fresher because they're not running around as much.
come on, man. as a steeler fan, you see every week that an effective pass rush is one of the best tools a defense can have at its disposal. you should know this stuff.
and, yes, jenkins is an upgrade over mcdonald, but he's projected as a shutdown kinda guy. he's an upgrade over most CBs.
Of course I know and understand what it takes to have a good pass rush. I just don't think selecting Jenkins at 5 is a bad idea, you definitely need the secondary help. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Curry go as high as 3 which leaves you Brown. Would you rather have Brown than Jenkins?
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it's not that a good secondary doesn't help the pass rush to get sacks, it's that an effective pass rush is a better tool to get to the QB than good coverage is. coverage sacks take time, and every nanosecond that a QB has increases the likelihood that one of his WRs will break away from a DB. coverage sacks force both the pass rushers and the DBs to exhaust themselves and can lead to them getting burned on the next play.
an effective pass rush compresses or eliminates the pocket time the QB has and can force him into bad decisions or make sure he doesn't get the ball out of his hands at all, which makes the secondary's job much easier. it also keeps the defense fresher because they're not running around as much.
come on, man. as a steeler fan, you see every week that an effective pass rush is one of the best tools a defense can have at its disposal. you should know this stuff.
and, yes, jenkins is an upgrade over mcdonald, but he's projected as a shutdown kinda guy. he's an upgrade over most CBs.
Of course I know and understand what it takes to have a good pass rush. I just don't think selecting Jenkins at 5 is a bad idea, you definitely need the secondary help. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Curry go as high as 3 which leaves you Brown. Would you rather have Brown than Jenkins?
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it's not that a good secondary doesn't help the pass rush to get sacks, it's that an effective pass rush is a better tool to get to the QB than good coverage is. coverage sacks take time, and every nanosecond that a QB has increases the likelihood that one of his WRs will break away from a DB. coverage sacks force both the pass rushers and the DBs to exhaust themselves and can lead to them getting burned on the next play.
an effective pass rush compresses or eliminates the pocket time the QB has and can force him into bad decisions or make sure he doesn't get the ball out of his hands at all, which makes the secondary's job much easier. it also keeps the defense fresher because they're not running around as much.
come on, man. as a steeler fan, you see every week that an effective pass rush is one of the best tools a defense can have at its disposal. you should know this stuff.
and, yes, jenkins is an upgrade over mcdonald, but he's projected as a shutdown kinda guy. he's an upgrade over most CBs.
Of course I know and understand what it takes to have a good pass rush. I just don't think selecting Jenkins at 5 is a bad idea, you definitely need the secondary help. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Curry go as high as 3 which leaves you Brown. Would you rather have Brown than Jenkins?
Of course I know and understand what it takes to have a good pass rush. I just don't think selecting Jenkins at 5 is a bad idea, you definitely need the secondary help. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Curry go as high as 3 which leaves you Brown. Would you rather have Brown than Jenkins?
i'd take orakpo over both of them. he's got the strength to be a good OLB and the quickness, too, plus his play this past year was more consistent than brown's and he fills a bigger need for us than jenkins does. while our starting corners are young, have a lot to learn and need to be more consistent, our pass rush sucked ass this year. we had a total of 17 sacks in 16 games, and 4.5 of those came from our NT. meanwhile, we somehow managed to get 23 picks on the year.
i'm not saying jenkins is a bad idea per se, i just think we can use the pick to address an area of greater need with a player of comparable long-term impact. a good pass rusher is just as useful as a shutdown corner if not more so.
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Of course I know and understand what it takes to have a good pass rush. I just don't think selecting Jenkins at 5 is a bad idea, you definitely need the secondary help. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Curry go as high as 3 which leaves you Brown. Would you rather have Brown than Jenkins?
i'd take orakpo over both of them. he's got the strength to be a good OLB and the quickness, too, plus his play this past year was more consistent than brown's and he fills a bigger need for us than jenkins does. while our starting corners are young, have a lot to learn and need to be more consistent, our pass rush sucked ass this year. we had a total of 17 sacks in 16 games, and 4.5 of those came from our NT. meanwhile, we somehow managed to get 23 picks on the year.
i'm not saying jenkins is a bad idea per se, i just think we can use the pick to address an area of greater need with a player of comparable long-term impact. a good pass rusher is just as useful as a shutdown corner if not more so.
i'd take orakpo over both of them. he's got the strength to be a good OLB and the quickness, too, plus his play this past year was more consistent than brown's and he fills a bigger need for us than jenkins does. while our starting corners are young, have a lot to learn and need to be more consistent, our pass rush sucked ass this year. we had a total of 17 sacks in 16 games, and 4.5 of those came from our NT. meanwhile, we somehow managed to get 23 picks on the year.
i'm not saying jenkins is a bad idea per se, i just think we can use the pick to address an area of greater need with a player of comparable long-term impact. a good pass rusher is just as useful as a shutdown corner if not more so.
After watching Orakpo's two tackle performance against Boone in the Fiesta Bowl I was not impressed at all.
I didn't get to see him that much but I worry about him being being overrated.
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what impresses me most about orakpo is that he has a variety of moves that he can use to get to the QB. he has the outside speed rush, then to counter it he has an inside rip where he makes contact with the OT's outside shoulder with his right arm and lifts up to fire through to the inside, and he also has a bull rusher where he just pushes the OT straight back into the pocket.
it's the ability to vary his rush that will make him a success because it forces the OT to account for various rush angles and can catch him off balance. that's why i think orakpo has a good chance to be successful in the NFL and is worth the fifth overall pick.
one game doesn't change his abilities.
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what impresses me most about orakpo is that he has a variety of moves that he can use to get to the QB. he has the outside speed rush, then to counter it he has an inside rip where he makes contact with the OT's outside shoulder with his right arm and lifts up to fire through to the inside, and he also has a bull rusher where he just pushes the OT straight back into the pocket.
it's the ability to vary his rush that will make him a success because it forces the OT to account for various rush angles and can catch him off balance. that's why i think orakpo has a good chance to be successful in the NFL and is worth the fifth overall pick.
one game doesn't change his abilities.
what impresses me most about orakpo is that he has a variety of moves that he can use to get to the QB. he has the outside speed rush, then to counter it he has an inside rip where he makes contact with the OT's outside shoulder with his right arm and lifts up to fire through to the inside, and he also has a bull rusher where he just pushes the OT straight back into the pocket.
it's the ability to vary his rush that will make him a success because it forces the OT to account for various rush angles and can catch him off balance. that's why i think orakpo has a good chance to be successful in the NFL and is worth the fifth overall pick.
one game doesn't change his abilities.
I agree...One game doesn't change his abilites. But one game and good coaching can expose weaknesses.
But That's why I said I haven't really seen him that much. I just wasn't impressed with him at all in that one game. Against a line that had been generally horrible all year.
He's a physical speciman....I just worry about him. I worry about DL's that get moved the LB spot. I also worry about his health as he's had numerous injuires.
I was looking at his stats this year. In his first four games against Florida Atalntic, Rice, UTEP and Arkansas he has 17 tackles and dominated.
In his last four games against Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Kansas and OSU he had only 8 tackles and didn't do much at all.
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his last four games were after he hurt his knee. he played in two and a half out of those four for all intents and purposes. he played exceedingly sparingly against kansas, which was more of a test run to see if he'd be able to go for the rest of the season, and he missed the second half against tech.
against a&m and OSU, the two games you're talking about where he was healthy, he had seven tackles, two for loss and two and a half sacks to go along with 4 QB hurries and a forced fumble, all while being the player that opposing offenses are scheming to stop more than any other.
let's not forget that OSU played their best game of the year in that bowl game. instead of folding like they'd previously done all year, the buckeyes really played well against texas.
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his last four games were after he hurt his knee. he played in two and a half out of those four for all intents and purposes. he played exceedingly sparingly against kansas, which was more of a test run to see if he'd be able to go for the rest of the season, and he missed the second half against tech.
against a&m and OSU, the two games you're talking about where he was healthy, he had seven tackles, two for loss and two and a half sacks to go along with 4 QB hurries and a forced fumble, all while being the player that opposing offenses are scheming to stop more than any other.
let's not forget that OSU played their best game of the year in that bowl game. instead of folding like they'd previously done all year, the buckeyes really played well against texas.
his last four games were after he hurt his knee. he played in two and a half out of those four for all intents and purposes. he played exceedingly sparingly against kansas, which was more of a test run to see if he'd be able to go for the rest of the season, and he missed the second half against tech.
against a&m and OSU, the two games you're talking about where he was healthy, he had seven tackles, two for loss and two and a half sacks to go along with 4 QB hurries and a forced fumble, all while being the player that opposing offenses are scheming to stop more than any other.
let's not forget that OSU played their best game of the year in that bowl game. instead of folding like they'd previously done all year, the buckeyes really played well against texas.
Yep, you are right. The only game he was healthy for at the end was Tech. I think he missed the Baylor game completely.
While I'm not crazy about him I'd rather see him in Orange than I would Jenkins. There are worse picks than Orakpo. That is for sure.
This is what makes these kind of discussions so much fun.
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I find Orakpo and Jenkins to both be very intriguing. As JewDago already noted, Orakpo has several pass rushing moves that he can rely on. Whether or not those power moves will work in the NFL is yet to be seen.
Jenkins has to be talked about when discussing BPA. We can certainly find a spot for him on the roster.
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I always think smaller pass rushers are risky as hell, ie. Hali and Wimpley. They are really chancing it. Jenkins could be a difference maker in the secondary, but we would have to shore up the front seven in other ways.
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