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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    It looks like most are angry because he "tweeted" this, but as usual OP has the facts skewed....

    Does anyone checks facts or sources anymore???

    If it makes a difference, these are just words from a conference call - interview where he was asked about Gilbert.

    Her's a link to the "whole" story...aka comments.....I dont see anything wrong here....

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/karlos_dansby_on_struggling_ro.html

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #54

    @mudfly said:

    It looks like most are angry because he "tweeted" this, but as usual OP has the facts skewed....

    Does anyone checks facts or sources anymore???

    If it makes a difference, these are just words from a conference call - interview where he was asked about Gilbert.

    Her's a link to the "whole" story...aka comments.....I dont see anything wrong here....

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/karlos_dansby_on_struggling_ro.html

    Thanks for shedding light...

    Still find this tidbit in the article a little disturbing:

    "The inside linebacker and Gilbert haven't spoken, Dansby said, but he would welcome the opportunity."

    I would think a leader would go to the kid and say face to face, "Our Defense needs for you to get better. I think I can help you get better. All you have to do is ask."

    @jcam222 said:

    To have these vets doing this so openly means Gilbert has really been a locker room cancer. I'd go so far as to say these messages are rooted in the coaching staff.

    Can't go that as far as "cancer". Prideful? Perplexed? Maybe even "lost" or "depressed"? Sure.

    Just saying that going from "Pick-6 Near-Hero" to essentially benched might mess with his head.

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  • tml1138T tml1138 wrote on
    #55

    All those complaining about 1st round draft picks....WW you're comparing yourself to numerous FOs that have been here and gone. Revolving door with some being not good for this team (2012 probably the pinnacle year of 1st round draft disaster). I'm not ruling out Gilbert yet, and we know what the rumors are on the Manziel pick. The rest of the picks and FA choices made by Farmer and Co. were anywhere between shrewd to brilliant.

  • TopDawg31T TopDawg31 wrote on
    #56

    maybe we can convert JFF to JPR Johnny Punt Returner

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on
    #57

    I see this as a good thing. This is not a mutiny, These are veteran players who have bought into Pettine's philosophy, believe it will make them a winning football team and you have a few hold outs they are telling to get on board.

  • R RoyceRolls wrote on
    #58

    Take the Draft/FA pick-ups as a whole, wanna cry about players that we don't know for sure will bust? Complain about the diamonds in the rough this FO has found as well. take to the streets with your "fuck Bitonio, K'waun, Kirskey, West, Crowell, Desir" campaign. You kids sure can bitch. God damn I wish we had the same roster we did under Chud, who do these new guys think they are winning more than 4 games?!

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  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #59

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/mike_pettine_not_writing_off_1.html#incart_related_stories

  • cdl15C cdl15 wrote on
    #60

    Positive tough love from the veterans on the team. If Gilbert was a true bust they say nothing and concern themselves on younger players that need the motivation. Think about it a second they call out Gilbert and not Johnny. Johnny is a true bust.

    "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.
  • cdl15C cdl15

    Positive tough love from the veterans on the team. If Gilbert was a true bust they say nothing and concern themselves on younger players that need the motivation. Think about it a second they call out Gilbert and not Johnny. Johnny is a true bust.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #61

    @cdl15 said:

    Positive tough love from the veterans on the team. If Gilbert was a true bust they say nothing and concern themselves on younger players that need the motivation. Think about it a second they call out Gilbert and not Johnny. Johnny is a true bust.

    Just for you cdl15:

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/karlos_dansby_says_johnny_manz.html#incart_story_package

    The differences are that JF called himself out and the second being it was two defensive players calling out their defensive teammate who so far has not publicly acknowledged anything needs changing. If you read both articles I think it appears all are surprised (Pettine included) that JF feels he was not doing enough to take it as seriously as his real first time job, not just a game which has come easy at every level until now.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    what a bunch of flipping fools.

    do me a favor. if you want to bitch about something and sound like an adult can you at least get your spelling and grammar up to speed?

    Cbus BrownieC Cbus Brownie wrote on
    #62

    @miktoxic said:

    what a bunch of flipping fools.

    do me a favor. if you want to bitch about something and sound like an adult can you at least get your spelling and grammar up to speed?

    You're such a little fucking bitch. Grammar police, really? STFU

  • Cbus BrownieC Cbus Brownie wrote on
    #63

    The 14 draft was worse than the Richardson and Weetard draft. Unreal that we can shit all over 2 first rounders with such consistency.

    I'm fucking scared to see who we take next April.

    And for those of you who are about to try to stick up for Gilbert or Manziel, wake the F up. You're, AT BEST, wishful thinking. Real evidence shows both are fucking headcases, and fuckin suck.

    miktoxicM 1 Reply
  • T Tobalaz wrote on
    #64

    Here's the real issue.

    When you're short on talent, high first round picks are SUPPOSED to be impact players. Gilbert was SUPPOSED to come in, beat out Buster and give us the most feared secondary in the league freeing up an extra person to rush the an/ stuff the run.

    It didn't happen.

    For such a high profile draft pick to not only fail to make the desired impact, but also fail to even see significant time, REALLY makes our scouting department look like a bunch of idiots.

    A first round pick is supposed to be a no brainer, an instant starter unless your team is overflowing with talent, which we're not.

    So to blow 2 1st round picks in the SAME YEAR REALLY, REALLY makes the scouting department look like a bunch of morons.

    Something is desperately wrong with them, or Jimmy is barking orders and making them look bad. I don't know, pick one.

    3 seasons until our new head coach, let's hope they get it right this time.
  • T Tobalaz

    Here's the real issue.

    When you're short on talent, high first round picks are SUPPOSED to be impact players. Gilbert was SUPPOSED to come in, beat out Buster and give us the most feared secondary in the league freeing up an extra person to rush the an/ stuff the run.

    It didn't happen.

    For such a high profile draft pick to not only fail to make the desired impact, but also fail to even see significant time, REALLY makes our scouting department look like a bunch of idiots.

    A first round pick is supposed to be a no brainer, an instant starter unless your team is overflowing with talent, which we're not.

    So to blow 2 1st round picks in the SAME YEAR REALLY, REALLY makes the scouting department look like a bunch of morons.

    Something is desperately wrong with them, or Jimmy is barking orders and making them look bad. I don't know, pick one.

    B BaconHound wrote on
    #65

    @tobalaz said:

    Here's the real issue.

    When you're short on talent, high first round picks are SUPPOSED to be impact players. Gilbert was SUPPOSED to come in, beat out Buster and give us the most feared secondary in the league freeing up an extra person to rush the an/ stuff the run.

    It didn't happen.

    For such a high profile draft pick to not only fail to make the desired impact, but also fail to even see significant time, REALLY makes our scouting department look like a bunch of idiots.

    A first round pick is supposed to be a no brainer, an instant starter unless your team is overflowing with talent, which we're not.

    So to blow 2 1st round picks in the SAME YEAR REALLY, REALLY makes the scouting department look like a bunch of morons.

    Something is desperately wrong with them, or Jimmy is barking orders and making them look bad. I don't know, pick one.

    Watch what you say, in here the opinion is you have to be a combination of Superman and a rocket scientist to play corner in the NFL.

    tiamat63T 1 Reply
  • Cbus BrownieC Cbus Brownie

    The 14 draft was worse than the Richardson and Weetard draft. Unreal that we can shit all over 2 first rounders with such consistency.

    I'm fucking scared to see who we take next April.

    And for those of you who are about to try to stick up for Gilbert or Manziel, wake the F up. You're, AT BEST, wishful thinking. Real evidence shows both are fucking headcases, and fuckin suck.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #66

    @cbus-brownie said:

    The 14 draft was worse than the Richardson and Weetard draft. Unreal that we can shit all over 2 first rounders with such consistency.

    I'm fucking scared to see who we take next April.

    And for those of you who are about to try to stick up for Gilbert or Manziel, wake the F up. You're, AT BEST, wishful thinking. Real evidence shows both are fucking headcases, and fuckin suck.

    so who are the bad draFT PICKS FROM 2014????

    mr. whizit?

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @cbus-brownie said:

    The 14 draft was worse than the Richardson and Weetard draft. Unreal that we can shit all over 2 first rounders with such consistency.

    I'm fucking scared to see who we take next April.

    And for those of you who are about to try to stick up for Gilbert or Manziel, wake the F up. You're, AT BEST, wishful thinking. Real evidence shows both are fucking headcases, and fuckin suck.

    so who are the bad draFT PICKS FROM 2014????

    mr. whizit?

    B BaconHound wrote on
    #67

    @miktoxic said:

    so who are the bad draFT PICKS FROM 2014????

    mr. whizit?

    At this point Gilbert and Maniel. Bitonio and Desir seem really good. Kirksey positive and West could be depending on how his attitude and fumbles change.

  • R RoyceRolls wrote on
    #68

    So many "clairvoyant" crybaby cunts.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #69

    i know.

    thank god no one just tossed jesus in the nile because he didn't know how to walk on water yet.

    Kosar_For_PresidentK 1 Reply
  • F Frenchie wrote on
    #70

    The draft is the hardest part of NFL football but also the most important. If this team had an average record in the first round, we would be playoff bound for sure. Green Bay is by far the most effective at drafting great players. The Browns need to figure out what they're doing wrong in this area and fix it.

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  • F Frenchie

    The draft is the hardest part of NFL football but also the most important. If this team had an average record in the first round, we would be playoff bound for sure. Green Bay is by far the most effective at drafting great players. The Browns need to figure out what they're doing wrong in this area and fix it.

    W Westside Steve wrote on
    #71

    @frenchie said:

    The draft is the hardest part of NFL football but also the most important. If this team had an average record in the first round, we would be playoff bound for sure. Green Bay is by far the most effective at drafting great players. The Browns need to figure out what they're doing wrong in this area and fix it.

    Again I would lay that blame at the feet of the inconsistency of this franchise. We've certainly had our share of miscues in the draft but when you change the regime as often as we do they will naturally Get Rid of any player that isn't one of their own. We see it regime after regime as we ponder the reasons why they would let [insert name of player who goes on to play well for someone else] go.

    Plus when you draft in the top 5 or 10 d misses seeing a lot worse than your 15 through 30.

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  • B BaconHound

    @tobalaz said:

    Here's the real issue.

    When you're short on talent, high first round picks are SUPPOSED to be impact players. Gilbert was SUPPOSED to come in, beat out Buster and give us the most feared secondary in the league freeing up an extra person to rush the an/ stuff the run.

    It didn't happen.

    For such a high profile draft pick to not only fail to make the desired impact, but also fail to even see significant time, REALLY makes our scouting department look like a bunch of idiots.

    A first round pick is supposed to be a no brainer, an instant starter unless your team is overflowing with talent, which we're not.

    So to blow 2 1st round picks in the SAME YEAR REALLY, REALLY makes the scouting department look like a bunch of morons.

    Something is desperately wrong with them, or Jimmy is barking orders and making them look bad. I don't know, pick one.

    Watch what you say, in here the opinion is you have to be a combination of Superman and a rocket scientist to play corner in the NFL.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #72

    @baconhound said:

    Watch what you say, in here the opinion is you have to be a combination of Superman and a rocket scientist to play corner in the NFL.

    Given the rule changes or should I say emphasis on calls - Yeah, you pretty do have to be that combination.

  • Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President wrote on
    #73

    Sick of all these fans hitching about everything like girls. Read some of these replies, I could swore they written by teenage girls, what happened to this board when it used to be palpable?

    Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12
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