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  • L LondonBrown

    He's been our number one target all along apparently

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #9

    @londonbrown said:

    He's been our number one target all along apparently

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #10

    Your welcome... got info from answer.com.

    Yeah no slouch, but not elite... Forgot to mention that Clay has a fairly low drop rate at 3.6%... same as Dray.

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    and, although he has a transition tag, it's looking like Miami is out of $$$$ now....so they probably cant keep him even if they want to

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #11

    @mudfly said:

    and, although he has a transition tag, it's looking like Miami is out of $$$$ now....so they probably cant keep him even if they want to

    Where do you get the dope on those figures?

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #12

    there are a number of articles relating how bad the dolphins $$$ issues are...but here is a link thats kept up to speed for the most prt...

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2015/

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    there are a number of articles relating how bad the dolphins $$$ issues are...but here is a link thats kept up to speed for the most prt...

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2015/

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #13

    @mudfly said:

    there are a number of articles relating how bad the dolphins $$$ issues are...but here is a link thats kept up to speed for the most prt...

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2015/

    I could not tell if that represented the current situation after the last few days of signing or not. Per that it did seem to imply that the Dolphins still had about 6 Million in cap room...third least. Browns had 3rd most.

  • Opal312O Opal312 wrote on
    #14

    If Miami is out of money then how are they going to sign Jordan Cameron? I hope Cameron re-signs with the Browns and we draft a big tight end. We still have the most picks of any team. By the way, I read on ESPN that Chip Kelly is not fooling anyone when he says that "a team" offered him a first round pick for Bradford. If anyone team was that interested they would have dealt directly with St. Louis before the trade. So Chip Kelly is up to something. Just hope the Browns aren't foolish enough to trade their two picks for a guy who has only proven his knees are trashed.

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  • Opal312O Opal312

    If Miami is out of money then how are they going to sign Jordan Cameron? I hope Cameron re-signs with the Browns and we draft a big tight end. We still have the most picks of any team. By the way, I read on ESPN that Chip Kelly is not fooling anyone when he says that "a team" offered him a first round pick for Bradford. If anyone team was that interested they would have dealt directly with St. Louis before the trade. So Chip Kelly is up to something. Just hope the Browns aren't foolish enough to trade their two picks for a guy who has only proven his knees are trashed.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #15

    @opal312 said:

    If Miami is out of money then how are they going to sign Jordan Cameron? I hope Cameron re-signs with the Browns and we draft a big tight end. We still have the most picks of any team. By the way, I read on ESPN that Chip Kelly is not fooling anyone when he says that "a team" offered him a first round pick for Bradford. If anyone team was that interested they would have dealt directly with St. Louis before the trade. So Chip Kelly is up to something. Just hope the Browns aren't foolish enough to trade their two picks for a guy who has only proven his knees are trashed.

    What makes anyone think that we are having any dealings with the Eagles at all?

    Just because we are the only team with 2 first rounders? Just because Kelly would like to get his hands on Mariota?

    It is not the Browns he needs to deal with for that.

    WTF can they give us or WTF can we give them that would net them Mariota.

    Besides....Kelly is going all in for a different offense. They just acquired DeMarco Murray.

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #16

    Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....

    so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....

    year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match

    year 2 = $ 4 million

    year 3 = $ 4 million

    so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....

    so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....

    year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match

    year 2 = $ 4 million

    year 3 = $ 4 million

    so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #17

    @mudfly said:

    Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....

    so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....

    year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match

    year 2 = $ 4 million

    year 3 = $ 4 million

    so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......

    Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mudfly said:

    Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....

    so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....

    year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match

    year 2 = $ 4 million

    year 3 = $ 4 million

    so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......

    Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #18

    @the-gipper said:

    Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.

    I think he probably is,....not a 10 mil guy and not a 2 mil guy....bottom line, if he and Cameron are both going to get $5m a year, then Id rather spend my 5 on Clay.......

    and, considering our excess funds this year, the front loaded/declining contract will work to our advantage going forward...

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @the-gipper said:

    Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.

    I think he probably is,....not a 10 mil guy and not a 2 mil guy....bottom line, if he and Cameron are both going to get $5m a year, then Id rather spend my 5 on Clay.......

    and, considering our excess funds this year, the front loaded/declining contract will work to our advantage going forward...

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #19

    @mudfly said:

    I think he probably is,....not a 10 mil guy and not a 2 mil guy....bottom line, if he and Cameron are both going to get $5m a year, then Id rather spend my 5 on Clay.......

    and, considering our excess funds this year, the front loaded/declining contract will work to our advantage going forward...

    OK, brilliant....that cold knock Miami out of it.....but who else is in the hunt for him?

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #20

    I think it's us or Buffalo....

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #21

    I can't imagine Hartline isn't doing some recruiting on this...

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  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #22

    Pros/Cons Cameron vs. Clay:

    Clay about 8 months younger actually than Jordan

    What about injury history? Jordan's is an issue, how about Clay?

    Clay has had more catches for more yards and more TDs that Cameron....of course Cameron has missed half his games.

    Other pros/cons? I am of the belief that the money should be similar.

    Cameron saying essentially that he doesn't want to stay......so black mark on him.

    What else?

  • Browns_Fucking_RuleB Browns_Fucking_Rule wrote on
    #23

    Even though we just inked Cameron, I still wouldn't mind picking up Clay because of Jordan's injury history.

  • Browns_Fucking_RuleB Browns_Fucking_Rule

    Even though we just inked Cameron, I still wouldn't mind picking up Clay because of Jordan's injury history.

    cvcanedyC cvcanedy wrote on
    #24

    @browns_fucking_rule said:

    Even though we just inked Cameron, I still wouldn't mind picking up Clay because of Jordan's injury history.

    Totally agree. Different types of players for sure

  • Opal312O Opal312 wrote on
    #25

    Yes Buffalo it going after Clay after releasing Chandler. My bet is Rex Ryan will win on this one.

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  • Opal312O Opal312

    Yes Buffalo it going after Clay after releasing Chandler. My bet is Rex Ryan will win on this one.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #26

    @opal312 said:

    Yes Buffalo it going after Clay after releasing Chandler. My bet is Rex Ryan will win on this one.

    Well, now that the Browns actually did lose Cameron, they need to try harder to get Clay.

    I would hope the whole embarassment of "we signed JC.....oops, no we didn't" would motivate them to go out and get this guy.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    I can't imagine Hartline isn't doing some recruiting on this...

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #27

    @tiamat63 said:

    I can't imagine Hartline isn't doing some recruiting on this...

    Good point...

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @tiamat63 said:

    I can't imagine Hartline isn't doing some recruiting on this...

    Good point...

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #28

    @tour2ma said:

    Good point...

    So? Right now we can look at this as a trade between the Browns and Dolphins, Jordan Cameron for Brian Hartline. We took their guy, they took ours.

    If that were a trade, would you make it?

    (but if we get Clay....we win?)

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