PFT on Quinn
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AdaM said:
My oh my how memories change.There was no competition last year. DA was named the starter on Jan 10th long before even the draft.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...tart_quart.html
There was no competition last year. DA was named the starter on Jan 10th long before even the draft.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/...tart_quart.html
I am pretty sure AdaM was being sarcastic.
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Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
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Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
He doesn't have the mental capacity to find his way back, don't worry.
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Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
Well if drunkstupid tries to come back there is a link to prove him wrong I guess.
Like Lummy, he'll just find his way to the next thread about QBs for CLE. It's the only thing they can attempt to talk about when it comes to the Browns, and they always run from threads where they are dead ass wrong.
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He deserves the job? Anderson beat out Quinn last fall, even you were on this board touting his accomplishments in fall practice. My oh my how opinion changes when things don't go perfectly.
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.
Masters said:
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
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Masters said:
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
Wrong, Opie 'had' to play DA.
Then when Lerner saw the results, he made the change.
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Masters said:
What are you smoking? There was no competition last training camp/preseason. DA was named the starter before the start of camp, CLE made a point of saying there was no competion, and DA played all of 1 preseason game.DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
First off, any time I hear a DA supporter bring up preseason and DA, it makes me laugh. We are talking about the same DA who in 2007 when he was in a QB compition couldn't beat out Frye and has thrown about the same amount of preseason TDs as Quinn. It's preseason. It means nothing. Coaches aren't necessarily even looking for TD passes out of the QB at that time.
Secondly, it didn't matter what Quinn did in the preseason. DA was gonna be the starter. CLE had just paid him starter money and committed to him, at least for the 2008 season. That is the reality. Plus, if you are gonna bag on Quinn's preseason performance, you might want to keep in mind that the majority of his time was spent in preseaons with the second string line, Winslow and Edwards not playing, Lewis for a few downs, and most of his passes having to go to Steptoe, Cribbs, and Sanders. Really a chance to shine and out perform DA hun?
You mean you can't assume a first round draft pick, with a ton of playing time in college can't do better than DA's 72 QBR rating over his last 16 starts? Seriously? CLE could go back to Charlie Frye and get the same results (look at DA's last 16 starts and Frye's last 16 starts w/ CLE, and you'll see similar numbers and the same QBR).
Quinn did not have more of an opportunity than any other backup in the NFL to win the starter position. He has as much chance as the backups for most NFL teams committed to a starter. DA could have played all of preseason and put on his normal preseason showing and it would not have mattered.
I got to say, I am starting to think your screen name is your way of just warning others in advance.
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QUOTE (Drunkandstoopid @ Feb 26 2009, 02:19 PM)
DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
quote name='AdaM' date='Feb 26 2009, 02:25 PM' post='46201']
Wrong, Opie 'had' to play DA.
Then when Lerner saw the results, he made the change.
How can you even say that drunken, seriously how can you say that BQ had any chance of wining the job when the job was not even up for grabs. I mean talk about rewriting history. B/C DA got hurt, in the preseason no less, it means that the job was "open". Man you cannot even argue with that logic b/c there is nowhere to go with it. Your statement goes against EVERYTHING we heard from the organization at the time and goes against a fairly high held "Code of Honor" in sports thats 'YOU DON'T LOOSE YOUR JOB TO INJURY'
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How can you even say that drunken, seriously how can you say that BQ had any chance of wining the job when the job was not even up for grabs. I mean talk about rewriting history. B/C DA got hurt, in the preseason no less, it means that the job was "open". Man you cannot even argue with that logic b/c there is nowhere to go with it. Your statement goes against EVERYTHING we heard from the organization at the time and goes against a fairly high held "Code of Honor" in sports thats 'YOU DON'T LOOSE YOUR JOB TO INJURY'
dont kid yourself there, its quite commom to lose a starting job do to injuries.
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DA played all of one series in the first preseason game, looked all world. Quinn played the rest, looked OK.\
DA played maybe two series in game 2, got clobbered and had a concussion. Quinn played the rest of preseason.
The position was Quinn's for the taking. He threw only 1 TD pass all preseason, and that one was ripped out of a defenders hand by a Browns receiver, turning an Int into a TD.
Despite being out all preseason with a concussion and very little practice with his receivers in weeks, the Browns felt they HAD to play DA.
You just don't go playing a QB in DA's position the first game unless you feel he's your only option. DA may have been "named the starter" early on, but the reality is that Quinn had more opportunity than probably any other backup QB in the NFL to start the season at QB.
First off, any time I hear a DA supporter bring up preseason and DA, it makes me laugh. We are talking about the same DA who in 2007 when he was in a QB compition couldn't beat out Frye and has thrown about the same amount of preseason TDs as Quinn. It's preseason. It means nothing. Coaches aren't necessarily even looking for TD passes out of the QB at that time.
Secondly, it didn't matter what Quinn did in the preseason. DA was gonna be the starter. CLE had just paid him starter money and committed to him, at least for the 2008 season. That is the reality. Plus, if you are gonna bag on Quinn's preseason performance, you might want to keep in mind that the majority of his time was spent in preseaons with the second string line, Winslow and Edwards not playing, Lewis for a few downs, and most of his passes having to go to Steptoe, Cribbs, and Sanders. Really a chance to shine and out perform DA hun?
You mean you can't assume a first round draft pick, with a ton of playing time in college can't do better than DA's 72 QBR rating over his last 16 starts? Seriously? CLE could go back to Charlie Frye and get the same results (look at DA's last 16 starts and Frye's last 16 starts w/ CLE, and you'll see similar numbers and the same QBR).
Quinn did not have more of an opportunity than any other backup in the NFL to win the starter position. He has as much chance as the backups for most NFL teams committed to a starter. DA could have played all of preseason and put on his normal preseason showing and it would not have mattered.
I got to say, I am starting to think your screen name is your way of just warning others in advance.
Masters said:
First off, any time I hear a DA supporter bring up preseason and DA, it makes me laugh. We are talking about the same DA who in 2007 when he was in a QB compition couldn't beat out FryeI got to say, I am starting to think your screen name is your way of just warning others in advance.
I remember that preseason. DA drove the team better than Frye. He didn't throw more TD's, but the team scored better. He had one redzone failure that really pissed people off, but if you watched it, 2 of the delay penalties were caused by coach plumpy sending in players 3 seconds before the clock expired. What with the pick 6 or two, Frye was about +7 or +10 points for the whole preseason. Even Shepwrite was maintaining at the time that DA was playing better than Frye during preseason that year. If I recall correctly, pretty much only Flugel and Calfox were the only ones vocally crediting Frye as being the better QB at the time.
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Masters said:
First off, any time I hear a DA supporter bring up preseason and DA, it makes me laugh. We are talking about the same DA who in 2007 when he was in a QB compition couldn't beat out FryeI got to say, I am starting to think your screen name is your way of just warning others in advance.
I remember that preseason. DA drove the team better than Frye. He didn't throw more TD's, but the team scored better. He had one redzone failure that really pissed people off, but if you watched it, 2 of the delay penalties were caused by coach plumpy sending in players 3 seconds before the clock expired. What with the pick 6 or two, Frye was about +7 or +10 points for the whole preseason. Even Shepwrite was maintaining at the time that DA was playing better than Frye during preseason that year. If I recall correctly, pretty much only Flugel and Calfox were the only ones vocally crediting Frye as being the better QB at the time.
I remember that preseason. DA drove the team better than Frye. He didn't throw more TD's, but the team scored better. He had one redzone failure that really pissed people off, but if you watched it, 2 of the delay penalties were caused by coach plumpy sending in players 3 seconds before the clock expired. What with the pick 6 or two, Frye was about +7 or +10 points for the whole preseason. Even Shepwrite was maintaining at the time that DA was playing better than Frye during preseason that year. If I recall correctly, pretty much only Flugel and Calfox were the only ones vocally crediting Frye as being the better QB at the time.
Actually, that is revisionist history as well. DA and Frye did about the same in that entire preseason. DA didn't just have redzone failures (which Frye had), DA had bad fumbles and took bad sacks that preseason.
It's extra funny that you bring up delay penalties, a common issue with DA. Guys lining up wrong and having to burn time outs. Yet as soon as Quinn replaced him as the starter, those suddenly disappeared for 2 1/2 games.
Watching that preason, if Quinn would have actually been in camp on time and part of the compition, CLE wouldn't likely even have been in this scenario, as Quinn likely would have beat out both guys.
DA is who he is and has been since HS. Since you have been following him since college, it should be even more apparent to you that he is the same player today that he was as a freshman are ORE ST.
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How can you even say that drunken, seriously how can you say that BQ had any chance of wining the job when the job was not even up for grabs. I mean talk about rewriting history. B/C DA got hurt, in the preseason no less, it means that the job was "open". Man you cannot even argue with that logic b/c there is nowhere to go with it. Your statement goes against EVERYTHING we heard from the organization at the time and goes against a fairly high held "Code of Honor" in sports thats 'YOU DON'T LOOSE YOUR JOB TO INJURY'
dont kid yourself there, its quite commom to lose a starting job do to injuries.
nmills said:
How can you even say that drunken, seriously how can you say that BQ had any chance of wining the job when the job was not even up for grabs. I mean talk about rewriting history. B/C DA got hurt, in the preseason no less, it means that the job was "open". Man you cannot even argue with that logic b/c there is nowhere to go with it. Your statement goes against EVERYTHING we heard from the organization at the time and goes against a fairly high held "Code of Honor" in sports thats 'YOU DON'T LOOSE YOUR JOB TO INJURY'dont kid yourself there, its quite commom to lose a starting job do to injuries.
True it does happen...not often when a guy gets hurt in a exhibition game and is deemed healthy before a game is played that counts.
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nmills said:
How can you even say that drunken, seriously how can you say that BQ had any chance of wining the job when the job was not even up for grabs. I mean talk about rewriting history. B/C DA got hurt, in the preseason no less, it means that the job was "open". Man you cannot even argue with that logic b/c there is nowhere to go with it. Your statement goes against EVERYTHING we heard from the organization at the time and goes against a fairly high held "Code of Honor" in sports thats 'YOU DON'T LOOSE YOUR JOB TO INJURY'dont kid yourself there, its quite commom to lose a starting job do to injuries.
True it does happen...not often when a guy gets hurt in a exhibition game and is deemed healthy before a game is played that counts.
True it does happen...not often when a guy gets hurt in a exhibition game and is deemed healthy before a game is played that counts.
Especially at QB, when the guy will be back by the regular season opener.
Now during a season, that is a whole different animal.
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I remember that preseason. DA drove the team better than Frye. He didn't throw more TD's, but the team scored better. He had one redzone failure that really pissed people off, but if you watched it, 2 of the delay penalties were caused by coach plumpy sending in players 3 seconds before the clock expired. What with the pick 6 or two, Frye was about +7 or +10 points for the whole preseason. Even Shepwrite was maintaining at the time that DA was playing better than Frye during preseason that year. If I recall correctly, pretty much only Flugel and Calfox were the only ones vocally crediting Frye as being the better QB at the time.
Actually, that is revisionist history as well. DA and Frye did about the same in that entire preseason. DA didn't just have redzone failures (which Frye had), DA had bad fumbles and took bad sacks that preseason.
It's extra funny that you bring up delay penalties, a common issue with DA. Guys lining up wrong and having to burn time outs. Yet as soon as Quinn replaced him as the starter, those suddenly disappeared for 2 1/2 games.
Watching that preason, if Quinn would have actually been in camp on time and part of the compition, CLE wouldn't likely even have been in this scenario, as Quinn likely would have beat out both guys.
DA is who he is and has been since HS. Since you have been following him since college, it should be even more apparent to you that he is the same player today that he was as a freshman are ORE ST.
Masters said:
Actually, that is revisionist history as well. DA and Frye did about the same in that entire preseason. DA didn't just have redzone failures (which Frye had), DA had bad fumbles and took bad sacks that preseason.It's extra funny that you bring up delay penalties, a common issue with DA. Guys lining up wrong and having to burn time outs. Yet as soon as Quinn replaced him as the starter, those suddenly disappeared for 2 1/2 games.
Watching that preason, if Quinn would have actually been in camp on time and part of the compition, CLE wouldn't likely even have been in this scenario, as Quinn likely would have beat out both guys.
DA is who he is and has been since HS. Since you have been following him since college, it should be even more apparent to you that he is the same player today that he was as a freshman are ORE ST.
Statistically they were about even. One of them moved the team some. DA had 1 fumble all 2007 preseason, took 3 sacks against Denver and 1 the rest of the preseason, 1 sack more than Frye, statistically insignificant.
On burning time outs... so it's the QB's fault the linemen line up wrong and he has to burn timeouts, or are you saying he should have not recognized that they were lined up incorrectly and just run the play anyway? By the time Quinn got in it was 6 games into the season, maybe the linemen finally got their acts together.
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Masters said:
Actually, that is revisionist history as well. DA and Frye did about the same in that entire preseason. DA didn't just have redzone failures (which Frye had), DA had bad fumbles and took bad sacks that preseason.It's extra funny that you bring up delay penalties, a common issue with DA. Guys lining up wrong and having to burn time outs. Yet as soon as Quinn replaced him as the starter, those suddenly disappeared for 2 1/2 games.
Watching that preason, if Quinn would have actually been in camp on time and part of the compition, CLE wouldn't likely even have been in this scenario, as Quinn likely would have beat out both guys.
DA is who he is and has been since HS. Since you have been following him since college, it should be even more apparent to you that he is the same player today that he was as a freshman are ORE ST.
Statistically they were about even. One of them moved the team some. DA had 1 fumble all 2007 preseason, took 3 sacks against Denver and 1 the rest of the preseason, 1 sack more than Frye, statistically insignificant.
On burning time outs... so it's the QB's fault the linemen line up wrong and he has to burn timeouts, or are you saying he should have not recognized that they were lined up incorrectly and just run the play anyway? By the time Quinn got in it was 6 games into the season, maybe the linemen finally got their acts together.
Statistically they were about even. One of them moved the team some. DA had 1 fumble all 2007 preseason, took 3 sacks against Denver and 1 the rest of the preseason, 1 sack more than Frye, statistically insignificant.
On burning time outs... so it's the QB's fault the linemen line up wrong and he has to burn timeouts, or are you saying he should have not recognized that they were lined up incorrectly and just run the play anyway? By the time Quinn got in it was 6 games into the season, maybe the linemen finally got their acts together.
DA had no TDs that entire preseason and as far as moving the team, Frye did it better. The real point still is, you want to use Quinn's preseason performance as any gauge, when if put to that test, DA has done even less in preseasons.
Yes, it is the QBs fault when lienmen line up wrong and yes he should recognize that. It's the QBs job to get them lined up right. Not just linemen, everyone, including WR, TE, and RB. He is the general/leader out there. A QB is supposed to know where everyone is to be from start to finish of the play. Apparently you have not watched any of the better QBs in the league before the snap.
Yeah, it took them 8 games (DA started the first 8 games, not 6) to get everything straightened out...lol. DA had the same guys for 16 games, but after that, and the removal of DA they suddenly got it right. Couldn't have anything to do with DA.....
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Masters said:
Actually, that is revisionist history as well. DA and Frye did about the same in that entire preseason. DA didn't just have redzone failures (which Frye had), DA had bad fumbles and took bad sacks that preseason.It's extra funny that you bring up delay penalties, a common issue with DA. Guys lining up wrong and having to burn time outs. Yet as soon as Quinn replaced him as the starter, those suddenly disappeared for 2 1/2 games.
Watching that preason, if Quinn would have actually been in camp on time and part of the compition, CLE wouldn't likely even have been in this scenario, as Quinn likely would have beat out both guys.
DA is who he is and has been since HS. Since you have been following him since college, it should be even more apparent to you that he is the same player today that he was as a freshman are ORE ST.
Statistically they were about even. One of them moved the team some. DA had 1 fumble all 2007 preseason, took 3 sacks against Denver and 1 the rest of the preseason, 1 sack more than Frye, statistically insignificant.
On burning time outs... so it's the QB's fault the linemen line up wrong and he has to burn timeouts, or are you saying he should have not recognized that they were lined up incorrectly and just run the play anyway? By the time Quinn got in it was 6 games into the season, maybe the linemen finally got their acts together.
Statistically they were about even. One of them moved the team some. DA had 1 fumble all 2007 preseason, took 3 sacks against Denver and 1 the rest of the preseason, 1 sack more than Frye, statistically insignificant.
On burning time outs... so it's the QB's fault the linemen line up wrong and he has to burn timeouts, or are you saying he should have not recognized that they were lined up incorrectly and just run the play anyway? By the time Quinn got in it was 6 games into the season, maybe the linemen finally got their acts together.
If by 'Statistically they were about even' you mean 'statistically they both sucked ass' then I would agree with you.
Because STATISTICALLY they BOTH sucked ASS. That doesn't even count the 'eyeball' test where even someone who had never seen football before could have told you both guys sucked ass.
Anderson had 23 starts with the same guys and couldn't get the false start and bad clock management figured out. Suddenly, after two days of practice, the line and everyone else 'figures it out' with Quinn under center?
Weird how it's just the opposite when the guy who the starters never get time with has to come in and relieve the starter due to an injury. Mental mistakes usually go up when the backup comes in.
Do you even watch football?
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You would have to be Tom Hanks in Castaway to not know there was no QB competition last year. DA was proclaimed the starter the second he was signed. Phillip confirmed it at the Browns Backers meeting when he questioned his whole staff and Joe Thomas on who the starter was and they all had to say DA.
Also, Frye had a better preseason than DA in 2007. He didn't put up any TD passes but moved the team. DA was goddawful, which is why he garnered no interest in draft picks so the Browns traded Frye instead. They knew one of them had to go so Queen could get reps and Frye was the only one who gave them something.
Christ, it's not that long ago to completely try to make shit up and revise history, but at this point anything is possible with the Oregon Trail.
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Feel free to remind me of how Frye moved the ball better than Anderson again, but prove it.
I just looked at the play by play for all the preseason games of '07.
Frye - 12 drives - 6 punts, 1 fieldgoal, 1 TD, 1 Int, 1 fumble for a KC TD, 2 stalled drives (one turnover on downs, one end of half)
Anderson - 12 drives - 4 punts, 4 fieldgoals, 1 int, 1 fumble, 1 stalled drive (end of half), 1 missed fieldgoal
Quinn actually had by far the best results, but they were all late in the game.
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