Browns Draft Strategy beginning in 2016
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Shiny Hood Ornament Theory...
Ok thanks! I guess my position isn't you need to draft a WR top 10 but they could've done better than Vince Mayle. Maybe a Perriman or a move for Jalen Strong at worst Sammie Coates. 2014 they could've had Benjamin instead of Manziel or could reached for a Jordan Mathews or Allen Robinson. You put together Hawkins, Gabriel & Jordan Mathews now you've got speed, hands & size.
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Shiny Hood Ornament Theory...
Ok thanks! I guess my position isn't you need to draft a WR top 10 but they could've done better than Vince Mayle. Maybe a Perriman or a move for Jalen Strong at worst Sammie Coates. 2014 they could've had Benjamin instead of Manziel or could reached for a Jordan Mathews or Allen Robinson. You put together Hawkins, Gabriel & Jordan Mathews now you've got speed, hands & size.
Ok thanks! I guess my position isn't you need to draft a WR top 10 but they could've done better than Vince Mayle. Maybe a Perriman or a move for Jalen Strong at worst Sammie Coates. 2014 they could've had Benjamin instead of Manziel or could reached for a Jordan Mathews or Allen Robinson. You put together Hawkins, Gabriel & Jordan Mathews now you've got speed, hands & size.
We have to consider that, at the time, our greatest position needs revolved along our lines. Our rush defense was by eye test and statistical fact, the worst in the league. Taking care of that early (Danny) and often (Coop) were brilliant moves. The next greatest needs we're debatable in order of importance, OLB, Oline depth and receiver. This front office stayed true to their BPA approach per those positions. Honestly they almost addressed them in that very same order.
However give credit to Farmer, didn't take Perriman (who has yet to really see the field for the Ravens) or Strong (who showed up completely out of shape and was called out by his own coach)
Truth is, when you have multiple spots on any given team that are bad - you address the one that will have the greatest impact on your team. For the Browns that was the defensive front and Oline depth, WR a distant third.
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So tired of the wailing and moaning and gnashing of teeth over the WR spot. This team is deep at WR, and there are still so many things we don't know about this group. These guys can get open and catch the ball, I'm fine with that.
Furthermore, the Browns scored 16 touchdowns with a middle tier free agent and two rookies. Crowell scored 8 TDs as an UDFA. For a team that lost their prob owl center, that's pretty good.
I hear guys on the radio say shit like "the Browns might win 3 games this year" and it really blows my mind. This team is better and deeper than it was a year ago and we are supposed to believe that Cleveland was better off with Weeden, Massoquai, Little, Bess, McGahee etc.
Do people go to a steak house and say "that was one hell of a steak, but the parsley was gross! This entree might win three or four games..."
So tired of the wailing and moaning and gnashing of teeth over the WR spot. This team is deep at WR, and there are still so many things we don't know about this group. These guys can get open and catch the ball, I'm fine with that.
Furthermore, the Browns scored 16 touchdowns with a middle tier free agent and two rookies. Crowell scored 8 TDs as an UDFA. For a team that lost their prob owl center, that's pretty good.
I hear guys on the radio say shit like "the Browns might win 3 games this year" and it really blows my mind. This team is better and deeper than it was a year ago and we are supposed to believe that Cleveland was better off with Weeden, Massoquai, Little, Bess, McGahee etc.
Do people go to a steak house and say "that was one hell of a steak, but the parsley was gross! This entree might win three or four games..."
ESPN has the Browns at a best 9-7, or a worst 4-12. I could see either. McCown gets hurt- and we see bad Johnny, well how many we going to win?
I'm not in love with our wrs. Save Benji, Hawk, and Gabriel. Pryor is unproven, and I sure hope Bowe's lousy preseason was because he was coming off an injury. Have to wonder if Kuharich (former KC exec) had something to do with bringing him in. Moore is a waste of a roster spot. I'm on record I would have kept Lenz. We'll find out soon enough how good the team is.
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No love for Hartline? He has the makings of McCown's 2015 security blanket...
Bowe is a question and Moore is not prime WR material, but we can't play enough WRs at once to get to him... or Lenz...
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Back to draft strategy. Find a way to get this dynamic duo in 2016 (Hall) and 2017 (Garrett), whom DC Chavis calls the best he's ever had as DE's.
More Aggies of course. PS - Trade up for Bosa and take Hall in the 2nd round.
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I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy.
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I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy.
I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy.
Plus....drafting DL first....3 years straight.....probably wouldnt be a good plan......???
Thinking well have plenty more pressing needs than DT.....
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No love for Hartline? He has the makings of McCown's 2015 security blanket...
Bowe is a question and Moore is not prime WR material, but we can't play enough WRs at once to get to him... or Lenz...
No love for Hartline? He has the makings of McCown's 2015 security blanket...
Bowe is a question and Moore is not prime WR material, but we can't play enough WRs at once to get to him... or Lenz...
My bad on Hartline- but I think some fans are over rating him. Was last year an aberration, or the start of a trend? Miami found him expendable. Looking at Bowe's career stats, well- I have a bad feeling about this one. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster/Dwayne-Bowe/f1dd6831-7798-4a66-a273-06849532c058
I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy.
Bosa replicates his 2014 performance, and he's a lock top 5 pick.
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I wouldn't trade up from 20ish to what it would take to get Bosa. Not worth it. Hall is probably not a 3-4 guy.
Plus....drafting DL first....3 years straight.....probably wouldnt be a good plan......???
Thinking well have plenty more pressing needs than DT.....
Plus....drafting DL first....3 years straight.....probably wouldnt be a good plan......???
Thinking well have plenty more pressing needs than DT.....
Lol nope it wouldn't be.
FTR none of the guys mentioned are DTs.
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Yeah I know. That's why I'm saying the move isn't worth it.
Re: Hartline, I agree.
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FTR none of the guys mentioned are DTs.
I guess for me thats just semantics, as we run a 3-4......and that pretty much means we have all DT's on our line and the OLB's are really our DE's....if that makes sense.....
So, 3 outta 4 of our DE's....Hughes, Starks & Winn are converted Tackles.....with tackle skills, size, bulk, etc.....
And the only "true" DE's weve had recently were D. Bryant, Jabaal Sheard and Armonty....and 2 of em were/are converted to LB.....and the other one added 30 lbs to bulk up and fit the DT mold......
So....in summary..... if we drafted these guys, they would asked to fit the mold(size and play) of your standard DT..(in a 3-4)....or asked to move to LB....because our system just isnt suited for your tradition DE......
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Right. Hall and Myles are probably both LBs in our system. Yeah Bosa would be an end.
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Garrett with his 4.46 40 times could easily convert to OLB a la Von Miller. He will terrorize the backfield wherever he ends up. I'd still consider Bosa if we are in position to do so at a reasonable cost.
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He's 260 and still skinny. He ain't no LB.
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Saw today that Todd McShay's first draft top 32 for 2016 has Cardale Jones @ #19. That would give the Browns a legit shot if it held up.
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Saw today that Todd McShay's first draft top 32 for 2016 has Cardale Jones @ #19. That would give the Browns a legit shot if it held up.
Saw today that Todd McShay's first draft top 32 for 2016 has Cardale Jones @ #19. That would give the Browns a legit shot if it held up.
Link?
Nevermind, found it:
Todd McShay's top 32 for the 2016 NFL draft
1. Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State
2. Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida
3. Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Ole Miss
4. Jalen Ramsey, S, Florida State
5. Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss
6. DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon
7. Maliek Collins, DT, Nebraska
8. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
9. Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State
10. Jared Goff, QB, California
11. A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama
12. Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame
13. Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU
14. Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State
15. Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State
16. Ezekel Elliott, RB, Ohio State
17. Leonard Floyd, LB, Georgia
18. Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
19. Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State
20. Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State
21. Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama
22. Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
23. Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
24. Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville
25. Myles Jack, LB, UCLA
26. Su'a Cravens, S, USC
27. Adolphus Washington, DT, Ohio State
28. Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor
29. Antonio Morrison, LB, Florida
30. Will Redmond, CB, Mississippi State
31. Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
32. Anthony Zettel, DL, Penn State
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Would that like be a record for 6 players from one school to be taken in Round 1?
I will try to check.
I couldn't find it specifically what the record is....but I suspect that the 6 Miami Hurricanes drafted in 2004 is probably the record:
Sean Taylor
Kellen Winslow II
Jonathan Vilma
DJ Williams
Vernon Carey
Vince Wilfork
The OSU group, if it happened would only tie that.
(Didn't all those guys play on the team that OSU beat in 2002?)
Edit: That Miami team that OSU beat also had 4 other First rounders on it:
Andre Johnson
Jerome McDougle
William McGahee
William Joseph.
Quite a talented team.
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