Pettine
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Hey come on, this is a family forum watch your language.
That should have read "you miss informed cunt."
WSS
Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?
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I love how these douchebag fans of the Steelers, Patriots, Bills (really?), etc. like to come onto our Board and preach to us about how to go about the right way to build a franchise.
I call it the "I stayed at Holiday Inn Express Last Night" approach to "teaching us" how we are doing things wrong.
Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.
I find this laughable. The Browns may have the most knowledgeable football fan base out there, not to mention most loyal.
Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty if Browns fans continue to root for the present Browns, despite their obvious flaws.
The guys that said "fuck it, I can't root for this shitshow anymore" ... they aren't here anymore. What you have left is loyal fans who remember when things were done right in Cleveland, and how proud they were of that team .. and young guys who have never experienced a winner, but stay committed every year, and they get up for the draft, and the young players, and grab on to something to believe in and some hope for the future.
We enjoy debating where the team went wrong and how to fix it ... but we got this, we don't need "advice" on how to be a fan and be told what "we" are doing wrong.
Our frustration level cannot be measured. But neither can our loyalty. And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ... like we haven't been watching how the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, etc. have been running their franchises for years ... like WE don't get it.
1994 the Cleveland Browns went 11-5 and advanced to the second round of the Playoffs by beating Bill Parcels' Patriots.
Ozzie Newsome was in charge of personnel, Bill Belichick was head coach and Nick Saban was the defensive coordinator.
That's as good as it gets.
Also on the staff: Scott Pioli, Thomas Dimitroff, Phil Savage, Jim Schwartz, and Eric Manigini
Does it sound like we were building something special?
The next season, Modell pulled the rug from under Cleveland, gutted the fanbase and left the staff in limbo, crushing the soul of that team. He took Newsome with him to Baltimore where he (Newsome) has won two Super Bowls. Belichick (Somebody check my spelling, I'm not real familiar with him) was fired by Modell, in Baltimore, and went on to win four Super Bowls himself.
We had the ultimate dream team assembled and it was broken up by Modell's greed.
The fans fought for the franchise, like no fanbase has ever done before or since, and their hard work and loyalty was rewarded with a reboot of the original Browns franchise.
But the NFL rushed the comeback, did not give the browns sufficient time to assemble staffs and scouting years in advance like they did with Carolina, Jacksonville and, later Houston.
And then it ... through three ownership changes, it has just been one disaster after another.
But it's not because Cleveland fans don't know what it takes to win. The owners have failed us with their hirings, their hirings have failed us with their draft picks, and Bill Belichick is not walking through that door, Ozzie Newsome is not walking through that door, but there is no reason to believe it can't be turned around under the current ownership. He's got the money, he's go the motivation, and someday it will click ... the right person will walk through the door and success will trickle down to all phases of the franchise and it won't be because some faggy Steeler fan or Bills fan/wannabe Patriots fan told this long-suffering franchise what it takes to make a winner.
You don't make changes just to make changes ... but you don't stay patient just to stay patient either. But what you certainly DO do ... is let Year 2 play out.
Belichick, Newsome and Saban had three losing seasons before 1994.
We've got six football games to win ... let's go out and win them.
Zombo
When a person speaking to a person of German ancestry says "you" lost WWII, he's not implying the German had a part in it. Similarly if someone says "you guys" need to do this or "you guys" need to do that, he's referring to the team/organization you root for, not you the fan specifically.Zombo said:
I call it the "I stayed at Holiday Inn Express Last Night" approach to "teaching us" how we are doing things wrong.
Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.
No brown fan or fan of any losing team should be given credit for being loyal to their team. Why do you need credit for being what you are? ... or whats in your blood? Any dumbass fan who forsakes his team is like foresaking his own heritage and culture.Zombo said:
I find this laughable. The Browns may have the most knowledgeable football fan base out there, not to mention most loyal.
If I grew up in NE Ohio I'd be a browns fan... and wouldn't want any damn credit. It's demeaning if anything.
You can take pride in your "knowledge" of a game. In reality no fan base has any more "knowledge" than another. Go to any board. Its the same shit, different team... all the way down to bickering amongst themselves.
Now it may be a different story if you're talking knowledge of football history or something like that.
Do you equate the Steeler fanbase to the product on the field?Zombo said:
Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty if Browns fans continue to root for the present Browns, despite their obvious flaws.
And "flaws"? Almost every team has its flaws. You wish they only had flaws. The browns are below having flaws, they are dysfunctional. Like Tony Rizzo said...the situation in Berea is toxic.
Exactly Zombo. Fans that come here to give "advice" act as though they had something to do with their teams success. They live vicariously through their teams... because their team is superior to yours, they think they are superior to you.Zombo said:
Our frustration level cannot be measured. But neither can our loyalty. And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ... like we haven't been watching how the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, etc. have been running their franchises for years ... like WE don't get it.
I rarely post in any of the threads, except when the talk involves the Steelers or their fans.
Ultimate dream team? Don't think so, rather they were a one year wonder in 1994. After the browns 11-4 season in 1994, the browns went back to being the browns and went 5-11 in 1995. Then they moved. In Baltimore the 1996 purple browns went 4-12, then 6-9-1, 6-10, 8-8, then finally winning the Super Bowl after most of the original brown players were purged and no longer with the team.Zombo said:
The next season, Modell pulled the rug from under Cleveland, gutted the fanbase and left the staff in limbo, crushing the soul of that team. He took Newsome with him to Baltimore where he (Newsome) has won two Super Bowls. Belichick (Somebody check my spelling, I'm not real familiar with him) was fired by Modell, in Baltimore, and went on to win four Super Bowls himself.
We had the ultimate dream team assembled and it was broken up by Modell's greed.
Hypothetically speaking, if Haslem decided to move the browns today, do you think browns fans would display the same outrage and passion? I don't. Wouldn't even be close. I'd bet most Clevelanders would tell the browns not to let the door hit them in the ass.Zombo said:
The fans fought for the franchise, like no fanbase has ever done before or since, and their hard work and loyalty was rewarded with a reboot of the original Browns franchise.
That's true if you're talking 4-5 years or so into the new franchise. Its 2015, the expansion team excuse only lasts so long Zombo.Zombo said:
But the NFL rushed the comeback, did not give the browns sufficient time to assemble staffs and scouting years in advance like they did with Carolina, Jacksonville and, later Houston.
And then it ... through three ownership changes, it has just been one disaster after another.
I was once afraid Bill Cowher WOULD walk through that door! Wouldn't be pleased seeing this face pacing the browns sideline.Zombo said:
But it's not because Cleveland fans don't know what it takes to win. The owners have failed us with their hirings, their hirings have failed us with their draft picks, and Bill Belichick is not walking through that door, Ozzie Newsome is not walking through that door, but there is no reason to believe it can't be turned around under the current ownership. He's got the money, he's go the motivation, and someday it will click ... the right person will walk through the door and success will trickle down to all phases of the franchise and it won't be because some faggy Steeler fan or Bills fan/wannabe Patriots fan told this long-suffering franchise what it takes to make a winner.
He's exactly what you need.
Did I say "you"? lol...I meant your team.
So did Noll and his group have three. Tom Landry had 5 losing seasons before going 8-8. Wow.Zombo said:
You don't make changes just to make changes ... but you don't stay patient just to stay patient either. But what you certainly DO do ... is let Year 2 play out.
Belichick, Newsome and Saban had three losing seasons before 1994.
"We"? You meant "your team" right? lolZombo said:
We've got six football games to win ... let's go out and win them.
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Hey come on, this is a family forum watch your language.
That should have read "you miss informed cunt."
WSS
Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Haha. Speech to text.Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Signed, Mr. Informed.
WSS
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Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?
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Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?
Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?
Cunt is a county in England, no?
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Cunt is a county in England, no?
No...
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Wales?
Not that I'm aware of. Cunt county? County cunt? Never heard of it.
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I'm not too sure either, but I hear it used a lot at Upton Park, so I think it may a generalised term used for referees?
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Formal names are capitalized. That should read Miss Informed Cunt. Carry on.
Is there a pageant of informed cunts somewhere? They stand at on stage in bikinis and tell everyone lots of interesting things but in a cunty way?
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Wales?
Not that I'm aware of. Cunt county? County cunt? Never heard of it.
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When a person speaking to a person of German ancestry says "you" lost WWII, he's not implying the German had a part in it. Similarly if someone says "you guys" need to do this or "you guys" need to do that, he's referring to the team/organization you root for, not you the fan specifically.Zombo said:
I call it the "I stayed at Holiday Inn Express Last Night" approach to "teaching us" how we are doing things wrong.
Telling us where we went wrong and how to fix things. Like it's the fan's fault.
No brown fan or fan of any losing team should be given credit for being loyal to their team. Why do you need credit for being what you are? ... or whats in your blood? Any dumbass fan who forsakes his team is like foresaking his own heritage and culture.Zombo said:
I find this laughable. The Browns may have the most knowledgeable football fan base out there, not to mention most loyal.
If I grew up in NE Ohio I'd be a browns fan... and wouldn't want any damn credit. It's demeaning if anything.
You can take pride in your "knowledge" of a game. In reality no fan base has any more "knowledge" than another. Go to any board. Its the same shit, different team... all the way down to bickering amongst themselves.
Now it may be a different story if you're talking knowledge of football history or something like that.
Do you equate the Steeler fanbase to the product on the field?Zombo said:
Don't equate the fanbase to the product on the field. And don't get all high and mighty if Browns fans continue to root for the present Browns, despite their obvious flaws.
And "flaws"? Almost every team has its flaws. You wish they only had flaws. The browns are below having flaws, they are dysfunctional. Like Tony Rizzo said...the situation in Berea is toxic.
Exactly Zombo. Fans that come here to give "advice" act as though they had something to do with their teams success. They live vicariously through their teams... because their team is superior to yours, they think they are superior to you.Zombo said:
Our frustration level cannot be measured. But neither can our loyalty. And we don't need shitbags coming in here and rubbing our faces in it and acting like they are some authority because they watch a successful team ... like we haven't been watching how the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, etc. have been running their franchises for years ... like WE don't get it.
I rarely post in any of the threads, except when the talk involves the Steelers or their fans.
Ultimate dream team? Don't think so, rather they were a one year wonder in 1994. After the browns 11-4 season in 1994, the browns went back to being the browns and went 5-11 in 1995. Then they moved. In Baltimore the 1996 purple browns went 4-12, then 6-9-1, 6-10, 8-8, then finally winning the Super Bowl after most of the original brown players were purged and no longer with the team.Zombo said:
The next season, Modell pulled the rug from under Cleveland, gutted the fanbase and left the staff in limbo, crushing the soul of that team. He took Newsome with him to Baltimore where he (Newsome) has won two Super Bowls. Belichick (Somebody check my spelling, I'm not real familiar with him) was fired by Modell, in Baltimore, and went on to win four Super Bowls himself.
We had the ultimate dream team assembled and it was broken up by Modell's greed.
Hypothetically speaking, if Haslem decided to move the browns today, do you think browns fans would display the same outrage and passion? I don't. Wouldn't even be close. I'd bet most Clevelanders would tell the browns not to let the door hit them in the ass.Zombo said:
The fans fought for the franchise, like no fanbase has ever done before or since, and their hard work and loyalty was rewarded with a reboot of the original Browns franchise.
That's true if you're talking 4-5 years or so into the new franchise. Its 2015, the expansion team excuse only lasts so long Zombo.Zombo said:
But the NFL rushed the comeback, did not give the browns sufficient time to assemble staffs and scouting years in advance like they did with Carolina, Jacksonville and, later Houston.
And then it ... through three ownership changes, it has just been one disaster after another.
I was once afraid Bill Cowher WOULD walk through that door! Wouldn't be pleased seeing this face pacing the browns sideline.Zombo said:
But it's not because Cleveland fans don't know what it takes to win. The owners have failed us with their hirings, their hirings have failed us with their draft picks, and Bill Belichick is not walking through that door, Ozzie Newsome is not walking through that door, but there is no reason to believe it can't be turned around under the current ownership. He's got the money, he's go the motivation, and someday it will click ... the right person will walk through the door and success will trickle down to all phases of the franchise and it won't be because some faggy Steeler fan or Bills fan/wannabe Patriots fan told this long-suffering franchise what it takes to make a winner.
He's exactly what you need.
Did I say "you"? lol...I meant your team.
So did Noll and his group have three. Tom Landry had 5 losing seasons before going 8-8. Wow.Zombo said:
You don't make changes just to make changes ... but you don't stay patient just to stay patient either. But what you certainly DO do ... is let Year 2 play out.
Belichick, Newsome and Saban had three losing seasons before 1994.
"We"? You meant "your team" right? lolZombo said:
We've got six football games to win ... let's go out and win them.
I was saying the staff was the ultimate dream team, numbnuts.Ultimate dream team? Don't think so, rather they were a one year wonder in 1994. After the browns 11-4 season in 1994, the browns went back to being the browns and went 5-11 in 1995.
And throw out the 95 season, the team collapsed when The Move rumors surfaced.
I meant Bill and Ozzie working together. Ozzie took our draft picks and selected Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis with his first picks, not bad, and built a Super Bowl team around them. And then built another SB team. And Bill won four.
If Modell hadn't freaked, those guys could still both be in Cleveland winning championships. We were building something great.
Z
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