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  • Great insight on Manziel by Gruden on Clev.com. Said if you stick with him you will be glad you did. He said he has the talent to be a good N.F.L. q.b. Pointed out reminded him of Farve who had a lot of the same issues when he first came into the league.

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  • http://www.cleveland...manziel_h.html

  • Gruden says that about every QB.... Move on.

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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  • Yes, Gruden isn't going to be the bad guy and say "yeah, the nfl should dump his

    stupid ass out on the street and give up on the fool"....

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  • "Your miserable life is not worth the reversal of a Custer decision."

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    "Your miserable life is not worth the reversal of a Custer decision."

    @tour2ma said:

    "Your miserable life is not worth the reversal of a Custer decision."

    One of my favorite movies of all time.

  • Brett Favre is 6'2" and had one of the biggest arms of all-time

    Johnny's 5'10" and has a average to below average arm.

    Plus Brett Favre started 321 straight games, Johnny gets hurt running to the sidelines.

    Maybe Gruden is posturing for Jimmy to back up the Brinks truck

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."

  • Lets be clear....Gruden isnt condoning anything and not endorsing Johnnys behavior or actions.....

    he is saying he wishes Johnny would get it together.....turn the corner.....go out and do it.....hopes he wakes up....(all quotes from the article)...

    If Gruden were Manziel's coach, what would he tell him?

    "I don't think we can report that,'' he said with a smile.

    I say he'd probably do exactly what Pettine did.....

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  • H hunter48

    Great insight on Manziel by Gruden on Clev.com. Said if you stick with him you will be glad you did. He said he has the talent to be a good N.F.L. q.b. Pointed out reminded him of Farve who had a lot of the same issues when he first came into the league.

    @hunter48 said:

    Great insight on Manziel by Gruden on Clev.com. Said if you stick with him you will be glad you did. He said he has the talent to be a good N.F.L. q.b. Pointed out reminded him of Farve who had a lot of the same issues when he first came into the league.

    Johnny, get off the forum and get back to plannin' your next partae

  • Then Gruden should back it up by applying for head coach of the Browns.

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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  • I don't think we have the time to see if Gruden is right. Cut him right after the season ends. Or, of course, see what we can get for him in a trade. I'd guess a 4th-rounder.

  • Opal312O Opal312

    Then Gruden should back it up by applying for head coach of the Browns.

    @opal312 said:

    Then Gruden should back it up by applying for head coach of the Browns.

    That would be... interesting. 😳

  • Get your facts straight , johnny 5ft 3/4 207 ibs nfl combine stat .Guess you didn't watch Pitts. game when he was almost decapieded came right back didn't miss a play. Should of had 2 more tds Benji drop in the endzone and his 6yrd scramble that Donovan said he got robbed by the refs.Funny how the Johnny haters will come up with b.s.

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  • Yep They would not allow Johnny to get his first NFL TD against Pisspuke. They cry like a bunch of cocksuckers that of course they are

  • ok let's keep the hatorade in check, manziel does not have an "avg to below avg" arm....that's just ridiculous get the fuck out of here with that dumb shit. Lots to critisize the kid on, arm strength? Really? I think he's thrown enough bombs this year that we know his arm strength isn't an issue.

  • 5'11 3/4"

  • No, Pettine should have given Manziel an ear full, ranted and chastised him in private and came out and told the media to shove their story up their ass and then went out and played ball. That would have garnered much more respect from the team and the fans than being a pussy whipped bitch and crying to the media, "But Johnny LIED to me!!!". Faggot. Grow a pair and be a fucking coach instead of a rat bastard.

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  • H hunter48

    Get your facts straight , johnny 5ft 3/4 207 ibs nfl combine stat .Guess you didn't watch Pitts. game when he was almost decapieded came right back didn't miss a play. Should of had 2 more tds Benji drop in the endzone and his 6yrd scramble that Donovan said he got robbed by the refs.Funny how the Johnny haters will come up with b.s.

    Get a clue, Po...

    @hunter48 said:

    Get your facts straight , johnny 5ft 3/4 207 ibs nfl combine stat

    Holy Fireplug, Batman!

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • ugggh. really?

    we've seen only a small % of small QBs make it as franchise QBs in this league and to this point how really successful have they been? i'm calling one hit wonders.

    u see rothlistain and ostrichweiler with a strong arm looking over the lines and completing passes without obstruction and we want to keep a fidget?

    GTFO.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    ugggh. really?

    we've seen only a small % of small QBs make it as franchise QBs in this league and to this point how really successful have they been? i'm calling one hit wonders.

    u see rothlistain and ostrichweiler with a strong arm looking over the lines and completing passes without obstruction and we want to keep a fidget?

    GTFO.

    @miktoxic said:

    ugggh. really?

    we've seen only a small % of small QBs make it as franchise QBs in this league and to this point how really successful have they been? i'm calling one hit wonders.

    u see rothlistain and ostrichweiler with a strong arm looking over the lines and completing passes without obstruction and we want to keep a fidget?

    GTFO.

    And without a repeat of the Browns usual pursuit of another QB in this upcoming questionable class, what would be your alternative mik?

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