Let's talk about the Browns olinemen for a change
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Isaiah Crowell 107 328 3.1 32 1 1 32.8 0 0 16 Duke Johnson Jr. 63 189 3.0 20 1 0 18.9 0 0 9 Johnny Manziel 17 90 5.3 14 0 0 15.0 0 0 3 Josh McCown 18 86 4.8 13 0 1 12.3 3 2 7 Robert Turbin 18 60 3.3 22 1 0 20.0 0 0 3 Shaun Draughn 2 10 5.0 6 0 0 2.0 0 0 0 Travis Benjamin 1 -7 -7.0 -7 0 0 -0.7 0 0 0 Totals 226 756 3.3 32 3 2 75.6 3 2
this year they only have 756 yds. I say, I've seen them continually lose series of downs, because the
run on first down so much, defenses simply key on that, and the offense ends up with only two downs to get a first down,
leaving the qb's and wr's to have to do heroics even to get a first down, which they have done often.
But, in the long run, the lack of elite weapons at wr is killing the offense, as well as the predictable runs on first down
so much of the time.
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cal,
I think you have to look at penalties as well.
The loading the box argument was used to death last year. Then, as now, we use formations that pull the opponent's D into the box.
I really think our running woes are RB related above all else. Neither Crow nor Duke have shown a knack for the ZBS so far. Our best ZBS RBs were moved on... Tate, West, Turbin... Draughn may have been better than any of them (and he looked OK for SF today).
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Austin for Hartline Barnidge for Cameron and a much better Benjamin for a bad Josh Gordon last year.
Maybe we arent running zone blocking as well as we did?
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WSS
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I don't how how it changes.... Tour or Flugels would know, a few other guys...
Tour is probably right about the zbs and the rb's we have now. But several games in a row this season, I sat there,
and said "you watch, babe, they'll run on first down again"....
and that happened several series in a row. Most all the game. I didn't see that though, in the pittspuke game.
I don't know why they were doing it.
Bernie Kosar liked to throw the ball way downfield to get into the defenses' minds,
right from the beginning of the game...
I want to keep track of rushes on first down Mon night. Something is causing the olinemen to
miss the snap counts. Frustration, too much of something. Wish I knew...
I wonder how Elliot does with a zbs... does Ohio State do that? (hey, I never played, so....)
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I don't how how it changes.... Tour or Flugels would know, a few other guys...
Tour is probably right about the zbs and the rb's we have now. But several games in a row this season, I sat there,
and said "you watch, babe, they'll run on first down again"....
and that happened several series in a row. Most all the game. I didn't see that though, in the pittspuke game.
I don't know why they were doing it.
Bernie Kosar liked to throw the ball way downfield to get into the defenses' minds,
right from the beginning of the game...
I want to keep track of rushes on first down Mon night. Something is causing the olinemen to
miss the snap counts. Frustration, too much of something. Wish I knew...
I wonder how Elliot does with a zbs... does Ohio State do that? (hey, I never played, so....)
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I have graded both Crow and Duke pretty well in PassPro. Neither has been perfect, but rarely did they miss seeing the blitzer they needed to pick up.
I don't know about Zeke and the ZBS. I like him, but so much of the time the zone read gets him the second level so quick and clean it's hard for me to see what he will do in a pro offense.
Then there are other times like Saturday when he popped thru a sliver of a crack in the line that made me go, "Oh Yeah..."
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the lines. the lines.
anyone who knows football knows it's all about the lines....
(manziel dreams...chirp. chirp.)
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Can anyone explain why our rb's get hit in the backfield so often? I'm not saying we have allstar caliber running backs, but at the same time, I don't know any that can be successful when they're getting drilled 3 yards back every other run. Is this the fault of our OL? Our play design? I don't have the stats on hand, and I'm not going to make any up, but I recently heard the percentage of times our backs got hit in the backfield and it was staggering (don't remember the specific percentage, and not sure how to find it).
Even when we are getting blown out, it seems like almost every run we try and sneak in gets abruptly snuffed out.
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Again, my opinion, the Browns have been telegraphing rushes by running
on first down so consistently...
except they seemed to have broken from that the last game....
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Again, my opinion, the Browns have been telegraphing rushes by running
on first down so consistently...
except they seemed to have broken from that the last game....
Again, my opinion, the Browns have been telegraphing rushes by running
on first down so consistently...
That would be on Flip.....the coordinator that keeps getting praise....even though he is predictable and bland as hell......and abandons whatever works every game......and gets uber conservative whenever he even sniffs a lead......and hasnt found a way to run the ball with one of the best lines in the league.....
I thought Shanny was a whiny worm, but at least he was creative and knew enough to stay with something when it was working.......
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Again, my opinion, the Browns have been telegraphing rushes by running
on first down so consistently...
That would be on Flip.....the coordinator that keeps getting praise....even though he is predictable and bland as hell......and abandons whatever works every game......and gets uber conservative whenever he even sniffs a lead......and hasnt found a way to run the ball with one of the best lines in the league.....
I thought Shanny was a whiny worm, but at least he was creative and knew enough to stay with something when it was working.......
That would be on Flip.....the coordinator that keeps getting praise....even though he is predictable and bland as hell......and abandons whatever works every game......and gets uber conservative whenever he even sniffs a lead......and hasnt found a way to run the ball with one of the best lines in the league.....
I thought Shanny was a whiny worm, but at least he was creative and knew enough to stay with something when it was working.......
Our run game was pretty atrocious last year for pretty much every game after Mack went down - which was most of the season. We have Mack back now of course, but I'm not so sure that Mack was the reason our running game turned non-existent last year (at least not the whole reason)
Shanny ham also stuck with something when it wasn't working, so there's that
*edit*
And go ask on an Atlanta board what they think of Shanahan
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That would be on Flip.....the coordinator that keeps getting praise....even though he is predictable and bland as hell......and abandons whatever works every game......and gets uber conservative whenever he even sniffs a lead......and hasnt found a way to run the ball with one of the best lines in the league.....
I thought Shanny was a whiny worm, but at least he was creative and knew enough to stay with something when it was working.......
Our run game was pretty atrocious last year for pretty much every game after Mack went down - which was most of the season. We have Mack back now of course, but I'm not so sure that Mack was the reason our running game turned non-existent last year (at least not the whole reason)
Shanny ham also stuck with something when it wasn't working, so there's that
*edit*
And go ask on an Atlanta board what they think of Shanahan
Our run game was pretty atrocious last year for pretty much every game after Mack went down - which was most of the season. We have Mack back now of course, but I'm not so sure that Mack was the reason our running game turned non-existent last year (at least not the whole reason)
Shanny ham also stuck with something when it wasn't working, so there's that
*edit*
And go ask on an Atlanta board what they think of Shanahan
Ha....well Im no shanny fan......and, in fact, was happy to see him go.....
Just saying that I dont think Flip is an improvement...........
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Our run game was pretty atrocious last year for pretty much every game after Mack went down - which was most of the season. We have Mack back now of course, but I'm not so sure that Mack was the reason our running game turned non-existent last year (at least not the whole reason)
Shanny ham also stuck with something when it wasn't working, so there's that
*edit*
And go ask on an Atlanta board what they think of Shanahan
Ha....well Im no shanny fan......and, in fact, was happy to see him go.....
Just saying that I dont think Flip is an improvement...........
Ha....well Im no shanny fan......and, in fact, was happy to see him go.....
Just saying that I dont think Flip is an improvement...........
Different. Flip seems to have gotten a lot more out of Barnidge than Shanahanahanahanahan managed, for sure. Benjamin's production can be attributed to maturing as a player and recovering from injury, so no comparison there. Last year, at least, we had a semblance of a run game, even after mack's injury. We were disappointed to be 'only' getting 70-80 yards per game on the ground. Now we're frequently looking at 15-20 yard games total.
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Can anyone explain why our rb's get hit in the backfield so often? I'm not saying we have allstar caliber running backs, but at the same time, I don't know any that can be successful when they're getting drilled 3 yards back every other run. Is this the fault of our OL? Our play design? I don't have the stats on hand, and I'm not going to make any up, but I recently heard the percentage of times our backs got hit in the backfield and it was staggering (don't remember the specific percentage, and not sure how to find it).
Even when we are getting blown out, it seems like almost every run we try and sneak in gets abruptly snuffed out.
Can anyone explain why our rb's get hit in the backfield so often? I'm not saying we have allstar caliber running backs, but at the same time, I don't know any that can be successful when they're getting drilled 3 yards back every other run. Is this the fault of our OL? Our play design? I don't have the stats on hand, and I'm not going to make any up, but I recently heard the percentage of times our backs got hit in the backfield and it was staggering (don't remember the specific percentage, and not sure how to find it).
Even when we are getting blown out, it seems like almost every run we try and sneak in gets abruptly snuffed out.
If you watched last nite's game, then you might remember a comment by Collinsworth after CJ Andersen broke a stretch ZBS run for a fairly long gain. It was about one blocker handling the Pat's NT and how "once a big man gets moving laterally, he becomes easier to handle." All true...
Whether it's our predictability or lack of respect for our pass-game or something else, our opponents' DL seem to attack our ZBS. Quite often at least one of our interior three succumb to that "attack", get pushed into our backfield and a TFL occurs.
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I think the O Line's parts are greater than their sum.
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