A 4-12 team is a 4-12 team.....
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Zombo that's my go to take on any Browns season.
Any time the team plays well enough to win and is robbed by such a tiny twist of fate it's infuriating.
And as much as I don't agree with what I think Mike Pettine's shortcomings might be, if I were Jimmy I keep the staff in place for another year. As a matter of fact I'd make that announcement today.
Next season we should face a slightly easier schedule and add one more year to the team familiarizing themselves with whatever system is in place.
He gives us another 4 and 12 or 5 and 11 season, fire him with no regret.
WSS
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Chud had a better defensive personnel in my opinion. I recall that being a pretty good year for our guys and when we thought we could emerge into an elite secondary with a couple more pieces.
But really, they were both pretty bad teams.
If we can get the 2013 Gordon, Haden, Mack, Gipson to get back into form in 2016 things look a lot better for us than they do otherwise.
If we can get the 2013 Gordon, Haden, Mack, Gipson to get back into form in 2016 things look a lot better for us than they do otherwise.
Im with you 100%.....
And who ever gets to Coach this team next year "should" have a better chance at winning, with Gordon and the DB's back healthy....plus players like Bito, Johnny, Shelton, Kirksey and Orchard will be another year developed (IE..better).....and, if resigned, Id expect a stronger season from Gipson and Mack, who will be completely healed from those leg injuries....
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Can you give some insight on Erving? Is it because he's playing out of position. There are teams that would kill to have him. What's the future for him?I do think we have improved some of the depth and we have some youth that might "someday" become top players....just hasnt happend yet.....
Next year Id expect Orchard & Duke to be everyday starters......but, cant think of any other new players(from '14-'15) that look ready to be everyday players....and cant think of ANY that Id expect to be Pro-Bowl caliber stars...(maybe Bito)....
Desir, Gaines, Erving, Crow, Kirksey, Cooper, Telfer, M. Johnson, Ekpre Olomu, Gilbert, Manziel and the rest are completely unproven and, right now, look like possible role players or average NFL starters at best....
But dont see any future stars that are obvious.....
Can you give some insight on Erving? Is it because he's playing out of position. There are teams that would kill to have him. What's the future for him?
I can give you my opinion... Erving is a "tweener"... not built for the inside, not athletic enough for the outside. In time, however, he should get stronger and he will benefit from a swap to Center where either he can get help more readily or more second-level assignments.
VesnaKociper said:
Now, let me get this straight......... he drafts players with credentials, that have performed at a very high level, THEN, when they come here they are shit..........and THAT is Farmer's fault?
Every GM misses... some more than others... some with higher picks than others.
The Browns lost "chemistry" when their entire defensive line left: Sheard, Rubin, Taylor, Kitchen, Winn.
I wonder what the price of these missing pieces would add to our league high payroll?
Aside: Knew where Sheard, Rubin and Winn are. Was not sure about Big Phil and Kitchen. Phil is still out, but worked out for the Vikes a couple days ago. Kit appeared in one game for Detroit and was released at some point, but he has just signed with the Pats.
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