Camp Goff
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Poll the Cleveland homeless.
Poll the Cleveland homeless.
They'll tell us to draft the dual threat, unpolished but high ceiling guy over the productive, ready to go but lean and small handed QB.
It's like 2014 all over again.
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"Give us Dak Prescott!"- Boxcar Jimmy
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"Give us Dak Prescott!"- Boxcar Jimmy
"Give us Dak Prescott!"- Boxcar Jimmy
Funny thing is, it could apply to loads of QBs in this draft - Goff = Bridgewater, then you have Wentz, Lynch, Prescott, Jones, Hogan and a bunch of guys who are unpolished but with 'high ceilings' because they can run a bit. Never mind that that's a tiny fraction of what a QB needs to do.
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Wentz is more polished than people thought - but there's only a small sample size of FCS games to see of him.
Regardless, Goff is a way better prospect than Bridgewater IMO.
21 years old, eyes move with feet, quick release, perfect timing. I'll be disappointed if we go with the guy who might be able to do all the things Goff does - instead of just going with Goff. Though if we do take Wentz, I hope he turns into the stud we need.
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Wentz is more polished than people thought - but there's only a small sample size of FCS games to see of him.
Regardless, Goff is a way better prospect than Bridgewater IMO.
21 years old, eyes move with feet, quick release, perfect timing. I'll be disappointed if we go with the guy who might be able to do all the things Goff does - instead of just going with Goff. Though if we do take Wentz, I hope he turns into the stud we need.
Wentz is more polished than people thought - but there's only a small sample size of FCS games to see of him.
Regardless, Goff is a way better prospect than Bridgewater IMO.
21 years old, eyes move with feet, quick release, perfect timing. I'll be disappointed if we go with the guy who might be able to do all the things Goff does - instead of just going with Goff. Though if we do take Wentz, I hope he turns into the stud we need.
Only concerns with Goff are his ability to play in cold weather, don't think he's ever been close to a cleveland winter looking at the schedule the last couple of years. Then smaller hands *might* be a factor. Not worried about his frame.
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Hell... late season Cleveland home games haven't been close to "typical" Cleveland winter games the past couple years...
Seems to have been warmer for some reason...
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Hell... late season Cleveland home games haven't been close to "typical" Cleveland winter games the past couple years...
Seems to have been warmer for some reason...
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Wentz is more polished than people thought - but there's only a small sample size of FCS games to see of him.
Regardless, Goff is a way better prospect than Bridgewater IMO.
21 years old, eyes move with feet, quick release, perfect timing. I'll be disappointed if we go with the guy who might be able to do all the things Goff does - instead of just going with Goff. Though if we do take Wentz, I hope he turns into the stud we need.
Only concerns with Goff are his ability to play in cold weather, don't think he's ever been close to a cleveland winter looking at the schedule the last couple of years. Then smaller hands *might* be a factor. Not worried about his frame.
Another Cal QB by the name of Aaron Rodgers doesn't seem to have too much trouble playing in the cold at GB.Only concerns with Goff are his ability to play in cold weather, don't think he's ever been close to a cleveland winter looking at the schedule the last couple of years. Then smaller hands *might* be a factor. Not worried about his frame.
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I DM'ed Dan Shonka on Twitter to find out when/how the velocity was taken by their radar guns.
Was it a velocity drill, where players were trying to throw their fastest ball, or was it randomly taken while they were participating in other drills?
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I DM'ed Dan Shonka on Twitter to find out when/how the velocity was taken by their radar guns.
Was it a velocity drill, where players were trying to throw their fastest ball, or was it randomly taken while they were participating in other drills?
I DM'ed Dan Shonka on Twitter to find out when/how the velocity was taken by their radar guns.
Was it a velocity drill, where players were trying to throw their fastest ball, or was it randomly taken while they were participating in other drills?
Not sure but 57-59 is all pretty damn fast which would lead me to believe it was some kind of velocity drill.
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Im just interested if it was randomly observed velocity, or if it was designed for them to throw their fastballs at a certain distance.
I did not see Goff's arm having that kind of pop on tape, and not many people did. Could have been wrong, but it didn't look nearly as strong on deep throws. That could be a result of his entire body not being able to drive the ball as far with that velocity, which is what I suspect. He has a thin frame and doesn't generate the same torque Wentz or Lynch have.
But he does have enough zip to light up the radar gun, which is a check in the box.
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Interesting... I'd have pegged Wentz's as stronger as well.
Maybe bigger hands hold onto a ball longer and slow it down...
Found this article. I'd no idea they've been jugs gunning Combine throws for a few years now. Article does not get into event or any specifics. Ignore the fact that the list of hardest throwers is not exactly impressive.
Seems like Favre was clocked at 62 mph or so back in his later years in GB...
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Im just interested if it was randomly observed velocity, or if it was designed for them to throw their fastballs at a certain distance.
I did not see Goff's arm having that kind of pop on tape, and not many people did. Could have been wrong, but it didn't look nearly as strong on deep throws. That could be a result of his entire body not being able to drive the ball as far with that velocity, which is what I suspect. He has a thin frame and doesn't generate the same torque Wentz or Lynch have.
But he does have enough zip to light up the radar gun, which is a check in the box.
Im just interested if it was randomly observed velocity, or if it was designed for them to throw their fastballs at a certain distance.
I did not see Goff's arm having that kind of pop on tape, and not many people did. Could have been wrong, but it didn't look nearly as strong on deep throws. That could be a result of his entire body not being able to drive the ball as far with that velocity, which is what I suspect. He has a thin frame and doesn't generate the same torque Wentz or Lynch have.
But he does have enough zip to light up the radar gun, which is a check in the box.
Yup- and another thing to consider. At what range did they clock that velocity? As in shooting a gun, you have "muzzle velocity". Or did they- as at your carnival baseball toss- just average the quickest time at (pick a distance)? 60 mph = 88 feet per second. Probably, the timing for different quarterbacks would be way different @10 yards, as opposed to 50. If I had to guess, they may have used a Jugs gun, that even Class A baseball teams use.
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Thinking about it the hardest throws I can remember were to the WRs running hooks to the right side... maybe 20 yds total out and downfield from 5-step drops IIRC...
The bigger throwers were throwing fairly flat arcs... Lynch, Goff, Wentz...
The Hogans had a little hump in their ball...
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I'm guessing they just measured all of the throws, particularly the deep balls as they will come out fastest/least touch.
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Thinking about it the hardest throws I can remember were to the WRs running hooks to the right side... maybe 20 yds total out and downfield from 5-step drops IIRC...
The bigger throwers were throwing fairly flat arcs... Lynch, Goff, Wentz...
The Hogans had a little hump in their ball...
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22h22 hours ago
Mike, The QBs throw out cuts to their right and then to the left. The radar gun records their peak speed in both directions. The ball is thrown to a standing receiver
43mThere you have it.
Sounds like it's a fastball contest. Good to see how high these guys "top out" at, but it's not the end-all-be-all of arm strength measurement.
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