Camp Goff

Tour2ma

@mike-h said:

Definitely a change in the narrative from "no Top 5 QB" just a couple months ago. Not Mayock specifically, but all the Twitter GMs and "scouts" who were and probably still are saying that.

Browns need their future, and they have two choices.

There we continue to agree...

Just replaying today's NFL Insiders and for the first time I heard conversation about the demand going up for these 2 QBs. Even heard speculation of them going 1-2 for the first time due to demand generated by teams in the 2nd half of the first round, driving actions by teams within striking distance of trading for #1.

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@tour2ma said:

If I saw them as close, then I would not try to draw out distinctions...

I do not see them as close.

Then you're about the only one, then.

Tour2ma

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Then you're about the only one, then.

I can live with that...

calfoxwc

Sorry, cal... as of now he is...Tour

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In the area of experience, sure. But athleticism? Nope. Wentz is very much more athletic. Athleticism

is quite a talent, and to a degree, that isn't a coaching thing. You watch Wentz reinterate a complex play that

Mariuchi sp? drew on the board, then spun the white board backwards, and Wentz asked if it was his turn,

Mariuchi smiled and said "nope..." and asked him a bunch of questions. And when it was Wentz's turn, he

adeptly reiterated the complex play and had him really smiling at how excellent he did. Both Goff and Wentz

are very intelligent, Bernie Kosar smart, maybe. Sure, if you had to start your rookie from the gitgo, you would

probably pick Goff. But having Mccown as the starter for a half yr?, until he gets banged up, you could insert

Wentz in there, and he may keep that job and run with it. But at the pro day, Mayock? was talking that Goff

didn't have the strength on the deep throws, that Wentz has, and that could make a difference in bad weather

Cleveland plays in, and brought up the two Oregon games Goff struggled in.

The talents are different - I don't see Goff "more talented"..inferring across the board. Neither did Mayock.

Goff has a lot more experience at the helm, and showed a lot of fight in him, when he didn't have an all star

competitive cast around him.

I'll be delighted with either one - it's up to Hue. But in this division...I'd go with Wentz, since Mccown is quite

capable of playing, and showing a brilliant Wentz the ropes for a while. We'll see !

Mike H

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@tour2ma said:

I can live with that...

Be strong in your convictions. If Wentz blows the big one and Goff becomes the next Brady, you'll be able to say "I told you so".

Although I don't see that happening whatsoever...

Mike H

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Be strong in your convictions. If Wentz blows the big one and Goff becomes the next Brady, you'll be able to say "I told you so".

Although I don't see that happening whatsoever...

And when that day comes, Tour will pack his bent billiard pipe and smoke it, with an ever-so twinkle in his eye.

TexasAg1969

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

bbedward

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Then you're about the only one, then.

One of two

Tour2ma

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Be strong in your convictions. If Wentz blows the big one and Goff becomes the next Brady, you'll be able to say "I told you so".

Although I don't see that happening whatsoever...

I am fortified by your words...

@mike-h said:
And when that day comes, Tour will pack his bent billiard pipe and smoke it, with an ever-so twinkle in his eye.

lol.... no pipe, but by then Cubans should be easy to come by...

@bbedward said:
One of two

'bout time you showed up, mi compadre'...

Mike H

Always pictured you as a pipe guy, no innuendo/pun intended.

Tour2ma

@mike-h said:
Always pictured you as a pipe guy, no innuendo/pun intended.

lol... none taken...

Dad was a pipe guy for a time long ago... maybe you are confusing us?

Mike H

Pipes were popular in the 1800s

bbedward

I had a couple (real) Cubans in Mexico (I know they were real based on my research, almost everybody sells fakes). I honestly can't tell the difference between a Cuban and any other cigar - I smoked one on the beach though which was nice.

Mike H

@bbedward said:
I had a couple (real) Cubans in Mexico (I know they were real based on my research, almost everybody sells fakes). I honestly can't tell the difference between a Cuban and any other cigar - I smoked one on the beach though which was nice.

A lot of other Central American nations use Cuban tobbakky in theirs. Because they are rolled, packaged and distributed by another country, they're OK to get through the embargo. When is that ending?

Canton Dawg

@PFFCollege

North Dakota State QB Carson Wentz had an accuracy % of 37.5 percent on deep (20+ yard passes), tied for 81st in the nation

#PFFDraft

calfoxwc

and how many passes, how is his wr's on those long throws?

Bobby Bettilyon ‏@BobbyBattlelyon

@PFF_College @PFF that is all well and good but on average, teams averaged two 20+pass plays a game last year

Jake Johnson ‏@JakeJohnsonJO

@PFF_College @PFF if you saw our receiving core on deep routes, you would understand.

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/forums/1786-the-ranch/14639643-interesting-college-qb-passing-distant-comparison-by-pff

calfoxwc

It's just close between these two qbs.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-hq/0ap3000000645532/2016-NFL-HQ-Fan-Mock-Draft-Browns-select-quarterback-Carson-Wentz

bbedward

I really don't think it's that close, but that's just me.

Mike H

Using stats isn't the best for this type of discussion, but UGH, OK we can do that. Justin is a very good friend of mine and put a ton of work into this, please give it a read (don't just read the charts).

http://draftbreakdown.com/2016-nfl-draft-breaking-down-situational-quarterback-performance/

Wentz has advantages in a few of the categories, not just above Goff, but above the rest of this QB class.