Camp Cook
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If you're waiting for guarantees you'll be waiting a long time and drafting nobody.
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
Me too. And after we just watched Denver's D run them through the playoffs, who could argue against building a dominating D first?
QB's win Superbowls was the argument being used most often for taking a QB @ #2 overall. Tell Cam that in his post-game interview.
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If you're waiting for guarantees you'll be waiting a long time and drafting nobody.
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
That's not crazy. The thread though comes off as 'none of these QBs are going to be any good, so lets just take a shot in the dark and hope'
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Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
That's not crazy. The thread though comes off as 'none of these QBs are going to be any good, so lets just take a shot in the dark and hope'
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Yea I don't understand why you would want to draft Goff or Wentz when you could just draft Hackenberg or Prescott. What's the difference?
You are not listening. I want Bosa with our #2 pick....the closest thing to a Sure Thing. He is the Nicolette Sheridan. If Goff or Wentz are there later (they should be based on their talent rating....but not likely to be there because they are QBs) then I am all for taking them. But they are the Daphne Zunigas.
You are not listening. I want Bosa with our #2 pick....the closest thing to a Sure Thing. He is the Nicolette Sheridan. If Goff or Wentz are there later (they should be based on their talent rating....but not likely to be there because they are QBs) then I am all for taking them. But they are the Daphne Zunigas.
No I think it's a fine opinion you want Bosa at #2 - but that's not the idea you've been trying to get across. (where's Camp Bosa?)
Almost every big board right now has at least 2 QBs in the top 20 in the overall talent pool - I just don't see how you can lump all the QBs in the same category.
I see much less of a drop off from Bosa to Spence, Nassib, Calhoun than I see from Goff to Hackenberg. There's also a real possibility the Tits take Bosa.
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I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
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I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
It's because he's been the 'consensus best player' for a year or two now, and gipper apparently places a lot of stock in draft scouting from a year ago.
Closest to a sure thing? Must be Tunsil, I guess. Outside of that Bosa seems to have a very high floor. Buckner is the only other DE I've seen going above Bosa, but don't know much about him - I assume that's who you mean?
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I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
It's because he's been the 'consensus best player' for a year or two now, and gipper apparently places a lot of stock in draft scouting from a year ago.
Closest to a sure thing? Must be Tunsil, I guess. Outside of that Bosa seems to have a very high floor. Buckner is the only other DE I've seen going above Bosa, but don't know much about him - I assume that's who you mean?
It's because he's been the 'consensus best player' for a year or two now, and gipper apparently places a lot of stock in draft scouting from a year ago.
Closest to a sure thing? Must be Tunsil, I guess. Outside of that Bosa seems to have a very high floor. Buckner is the only other DE I've seen going above Bosa, but don't know much about him - I assume that's who you mean?
I'm not knocking him, just wondering. I just don't see the same sure thing that everyone else sees, I guess. I think Bosa is a little more scheme-dependent, he'd probably fare better as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB...and I don't see him as a 3-4 DE whatsoever, IMO.
Higher floor, absolutely. Bosa will likely be an above average NFL DE for the next 10-12 years, with a couple Pro Bowl years probably thrown in there. But I don't see this truly transcendent talent that would make me want to overlook QB.
Buckner has a higher prospect score on NFL (take that for what you will) and I just personally think he has more potential to be a game changing DE than Bosa does. And you draft for what they might do in the NFL, not what they did do in college.
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Plus Buckner played in a 3-4.
But the fact he played on a pass-happy team (the scout termers he goes against are built for that) in a pass-happy conference scares me. And yes, I realize Oregon runs the ball a lot. But it's always out of the shotgun and not a realistic NFL depiction.
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Bosa is a great player, but as mentioned before his skillset is better suited to a 4-3 defense and as much as I love Ohio State, I wouldn't want Bosa on the Browns because of some off-field issues + there are other very good defensive ends coming out in this draft.
off-field issues I have with him:
1.) he originally stated he did not want to play for the Browns, then turned it around and said he'd like to play in Ohio and grow the "Bosa brand". I would rather have a player dedicated to the team, not himself; that kind of diva attitude is off-putting.
2.) the suspension early this year.
raises a red flag. I want a player that is 100% dedicated to his team and football. The academic aspect is really troubling if it's true. Realistically, all football players have to do is show up to class to get a passing grade, if he's not dedicated enough for that will he be dedicated enough to study playbooks and tape?
No doubt Bosa is a talented football player, but I don't see him as a fit on the Browns. We'll see what happens in April.
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It's two days after the Super Bowl, so I didn't take a close look in the draft process, yet. Right now, I'm neither into Camp Goff, nor Wentz, Lynch, Cook, ...
But I think we should make a statement and take a QB with our No.2 Pick and make it clear, that this is our guy. When we have the guy, Hue Jackson can decide if he let him play from Day 1 like Jacksonvlle did with Blake Bortles or eventually give him a redshirt year.
The problem i have with taking a QB at No.32 is, that I think,that a guy who fell to No.32 isn't your day 1 QB. And even if he would sit behind Josh McCown for a while, at some point during the season some guys will scream,that he has to start. Look at JM how this worked out if you let a guy who isn't ready start,just because he's a first round pick.
I don't wanna say, that we wouldn't get a quality QB in the late first or early second round, but I think, that he wouldn't get enough time in Cleveland to become a NFL ready QB before he sees the field.
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I am simply being egalitarian.
I agree... you are incapable of discerning a difference.
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
Actually you are arguing "closest", but let's set that aside.
How do you compare Bosa's chances in a 3-4 vs. a 4-3?
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You are not listening. I want Bosa with our #2 pick....the closest thing to a Sure Thing. He is the Nicolette Sheridan. If Goff or Wentz are there later (they should be based on their talent rating....but not likely to be there because they are QBs) then I am all for taking them. But they are the Daphne Zunigas.
No I think it's a fine opinion you want Bosa at #2 - but that's not the idea you've been trying to get across. (where's Camp Bosa?)
Almost every big board right now has at least 2 QBs in the top 20 in the overall talent pool - I just don't see how you can lump all the QBs in the same category.
I see much less of a drop off from Bosa to Spence, Nassib, Calhoun than I see from Goff to Hackenberg. There's also a real possibility the Tits take Bosa.
No I think it's a fine opinion you want Bosa at #2 - but that's not the idea you've been trying to get across. (where's Camp Bosa?)
Almost every big board right now has at least 2 QBs in the top 20 in the overall talent pool - I just don't see how you can lump all the QBs in the same category.
I see much less of a drop off from Bosa to Spence, Nassib, Calhoun than I see from Goff to Hackenberg. There's also a real possibility the Tits take Bosa.
That is because you see what you want to see....not what may really be out there. You are seeing Goff through orgasmic eyelids.
I lump these QBs all together because I think they all should be lumped together.
And I am fully aware that the Tits may take Bosa. They should take Bosa. I am only hoping they don't.
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I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
Not sure WTF you are looking at. Nearly everyone still has him as the #1 overall prospects.
Oh, what....is there someone out there that thinks its hip to be stupid? To not put him at #1.
Sure, they may be outliers....but he is as much a consensus #1 pick as anyone we have seen lately.
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No I think it's a fine opinion you want Bosa at #2 - but that's not the idea you've been trying to get across. (where's Camp Bosa?)
Almost every big board right now has at least 2 QBs in the top 20 in the overall talent pool - I just don't see how you can lump all the QBs in the same category.
I see much less of a drop off from Bosa to Spence, Nassib, Calhoun than I see from Goff to Hackenberg. There's also a real possibility the Tits take Bosa.
That is because you see what you want to see....not what may really be out there. You are seeing Goff through orgasmic eyelids.
I lump these QBs all together because I think they all should be lumped together.
And I am fully aware that the Tits may take Bosa. They should take Bosa. I am only hoping they don't.
That is because you see what you want to see....not what may really be out there.
I'm pretty sure the case is the opposite. You say "no QB is a first round talent" based on a report from before the college season even started and ignore everything that disagrees with you (literally everybody disagrees with you)
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I'm not sure how Bosa is considered the closest thing to a sure thing.
He's not even the highest rated DE in the draft right now...
Is it just because he's a Buckeye?
It's because he's been the 'consensus best player' for a year or two now, and gipper apparently places a lot of stock in draft scouting from a year ago.
Closest to a sure thing? Must be Tunsil, I guess. Outside of that Bosa seems to have a very high floor. Buckner is the only other DE I've seen going above Bosa, but don't know much about him - I assume that's who you mean?
It's because he's been the 'consensus best player' for a year or two now, and gipper apparently places a lot of stock in draft scouting from a year ago.
Yes....and also nearly every scouting service out there right now, today.
Closest to a sure thing? Must be Tunsil, I guess. Outside of that Bosa seems to have a very high floor. Buckner is the only other DE I've seen going above Bosa, but don't know much about him - I assume that's who you mean?
Tunsil is rated high in a lot of things.....rarely above Bosa. That would be fine with me if the Titans draft Tunsil #1. They probably need him.
Buckner? I guess that was like somebody rating RGIII as better than Luck.
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It's because he's been the 'consensus best player' for a year or two now, and gipper apparently places a lot of stock in draft scouting from a year ago.
Closest to a sure thing? Must be Tunsil, I guess. Outside of that Bosa seems to have a very high floor. Buckner is the only other DE I've seen going above Bosa, but don't know much about him - I assume that's who you mean?
I'm not knocking him, just wondering. I just don't see the same sure thing that everyone else sees, I guess. I think Bosa is a little more scheme-dependent, he'd probably fare better as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB...and I don't see him as a 3-4 DE whatsoever, IMO.
Higher floor, absolutely. Bosa will likely be an above average NFL DE for the next 10-12 years, with a couple Pro Bowl years probably thrown in there. But I don't see this truly transcendent talent that would make me want to overlook QB.
Buckner has a higher prospect score on NFL (take that for what you will) and I just personally think he has more potential to be a game changing DE than Bosa does. And you draft for what they might do in the NFL, not what they did do in college.
I'm not knocking him, just wondering. I just don't see the same sure thing that everyone else sees, I guess.
Sure....you don't see what all the experts see.
I think Bosa is a little more scheme-dependent, he'd probably fare better as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB...and I don't see him as a 3-4 DE whatsoever, IMO.
Higher floor, absolutely. Bosa will likely be an above average NFL DE for the next 10-12 years, with a couple Pro Bowl years probably thrown in there. But I don't see this truly transcendent talent that would make me want to overlook QB.
No, perhaps not....if you had Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning available at QB.....you don't.
Buckner has a higher prospect score on NFL (take that for what you will) and I just personally think he has more potential to be a game changing DE than Bosa does. And you draft for what they might do in the NFL, not what they did do in college.
And everybody else is wrong....but you and the one guy out there that you found that thought Buckner was better.
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Greetings from Germany
Guten Morgan...
I am simply being egalitarian.
I agree... you are incapable of discerning a difference.
Again, I would rather take the talent that is considered closer to a guarantee than those that are not.
While obviously there is no guarantee that Bosa would be the shit, I am more confident in his chances of success than I am of these QBs being talked about
Actually you are arguing "closest", but let's set that aside.
How do you compare Bosa's chances in a 3-4 vs. a 4-3?
Guten Morgan...
I agree... you are incapable of discerning a difference.
Not with this group of QBs. No. I don't think there are vast differences in the talent among the first group and the latter group.
Actually you are arguing "closest", but let's set that aside.
Fine....Bosa is the closest thing to a sure thing.....not a closer thing. Happy now?
How do you compare Bosa's chances in a 3-4 vs. a 4-3?
I don't think it matters. He is a football player. He will tackle people and rush the passer from whichever system he plays in. I said he reminds me of Howie Long, who played DE in the 3-4. He was considered the ultimate 3-4 DE. Ray Horton runs the 3-4 I believe. Bosa may have played in the 4-3 in college....but he moved all over the place.
He would do fine in whatever.
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And you cite the experts when it comes to Bosa, but you ignore them when it comes to every QB.
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That is because you see what you want to see....not what may really be out there.
I'm pretty sure the case is the opposite. You say "no QB is a first round talent" based on a report from before the college season even started and ignore everything that disagrees with you (literally everybody disagrees with you)
I'm pretty sure the case is the opposite. You say "no QB is a first round talent" based on a report from before the college season even started and ignore everything that disagrees with you (literally everybody disagrees with you)
Again, yes they will be drafted in the first round.....or should I say overdrafted.
All I am saying is that with our #2 pick.....we would be reaching mightily to take a QB there. If we had the #10-15 pick, it may not be so bad.
But we need #2 talent with our #2 pick.
We don't need the QB equivalent of Trent Richardson.
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And you cite the experts when it comes to Bosa, but you ignore them when it comes to every QB.
And you cite the experts when it comes to Bosa, but you ignore them when it comes to every QB.
the experts disagree on the QBs.
They don't disagree on Bosa nearly as much.
I guess you want another Trent Richardson...not much I can do to change your mind.
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I'm pretty sure the case is the opposite. You say "no QB is a first round talent" based on a report from before the college season even started and ignore everything that disagrees with you (literally everybody disagrees with you)
Again, yes they will be drafted in the first round.....or should I say overdrafted.
All I am saying is that with our #2 pick.....we would be reaching mightily to take a QB there. If we had the #10-15 pick, it may not be so bad.
But we need #2 talent with our #2 pick.
We don't need the QB equivalent of Trent Richardson.
Again, yes they will be drafted in the first round.....or should I say overdrafted.
All I am saying is that with our #2 pick.....we would be reaching mightily to take a QB there. If we had the #10-15 pick, it may not be so bad.
But we need #2 talent with our #2 pick.
We don't need the QB equivalent of Trent Richardson.
More like a quarterback who probably would have slid down as far as 22 had we not snapped him up.
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