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  • W Westside Steve wrote on
    #44

    There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately. We aren't punishing him because he doesn't care. We have to pay him anyway so what's the difference? Nope probably no chance of even a seventh conditional but what's the difference?

    It's actually more punishment to let him sit and wait while other teams take care of their quarterback needs and make him even less valuable to them.

    Pretty much the same with Dwayne Bowe. We aren't going to have to worry about the roster spot for a while.

    WSS

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  • W Westside Steve

    There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately. We aren't punishing him because he doesn't care. We have to pay him anyway so what's the difference? Nope probably no chance of even a seventh conditional but what's the difference?

    It's actually more punishment to let him sit and wait while other teams take care of their quarterback needs and make him even less valuable to them.

    Pretty much the same with Dwayne Bowe. We aren't going to have to worry about the roster spot for a while.

    WSS

    OsirisO Osiris wrote on
    #45

    @westside-steve said:

    There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately. We aren't punishing him because he doesn't care. We have to pay him anyway so what's the difference? Nope probably no chance of even a seventh conditional but what's the difference?

    It's actually more punishment to let him sit and wait while other teams take care of their quarterback needs and make him even less valuable to them.

    Pretty much the same with Dwayne Bowe. We aren't going to have to worry about the roster spot for a while.

    WSS

    I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.

    "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
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  • darren15D darren15 wrote on
    #46

    Can we make this the Browns theme song now ?

  • OsirisO Osiris

    @westside-steve said:

    There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately. We aren't punishing him because he doesn't care. We have to pay him anyway so what's the difference? Nope probably no chance of even a seventh conditional but what's the difference?

    It's actually more punishment to let him sit and wait while other teams take care of their quarterback needs and make him even less valuable to them.

    Pretty much the same with Dwayne Bowe. We aren't going to have to worry about the roster spot for a while.

    WSS

    I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.

    W Westside Steve wrote on
    #47

    @osiris said:

    I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.

    I guess that's possible but frankly Hue Jackson is coming from the Cincinnati Bengals, a system not particularly known for squeaky clean standards.

    WSS

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  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on
    #48

    Using anal ytics, Manziel to Bowe to Gordon seems like a helluva double play combo.

  • Mike HM Mike H

    @logicisforsquares said:

    I am not concerned about Gipson. Schwartz? Sure but he accepted less money to leave. Can't really negotiate with that.

    Gipson was the only consistent DB on team over last three years. You're right, no loss there
    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #49

    @mike-h said:

    Gipson was the only consistent DB on team over last three years. You're right, no loss there

    Also one of the few starters on the team all of the past three years. Gip's issue was in the past two seasons he missed half of a season due to injury.

    @mike-h said:

    The Browns offering 7.5$ million and pulling the offer does not equate to Schwartz signing for less by getting $6 million. He wasn't choosing between 7.5 and 6

    Bingo!

    @mike-h said:

    agree there. But we don't know how much guaranteed and how much total Browns offered

    ... or the duration, but hard for me to believe we weren't in the 5-yr/50% ballpark...

    @westside-steve said:

    There is absolutely no profit to be made by cutting Johnny immediately.

    Correct... the "profit" comes if he is suspended by the league.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    @westside-steve said:

    Yesterday I would have called bullshit if somebody tweeted that we were going to dump 4 good to excellent starters....

    WSS

    They did a bang up job. Maybe with another player of their caliber the Browns could have pushed it to 4 wins.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #50

    @logicisforsquares said:

    They did a bang up job. Maybe with another player of their caliber the Browns could have pushed it to 4 wins.

    Not the point- on a 1-53 importance\value\performance scale, Oh, I'll put Joe Thomas at #1. Most of the guys who walked would be in our top 10. Like if Bademosi or Carder left, do you think I'd be pissed? If you want my 0.02 on the matter- the FO has learned nothing from the last misadventure when they let guys like Ward, Sheard, and Skrine walk.

    @osiris said:

    I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.

    Yup, like if we can get a conditional seventh, and someone takes Manziel's salary off our hands, he's worth keeping around a few extra days? MK gossip is saying a few teams have minor interest. We have tons of cap room- and IMHO, making a statement about no more BS is more important that a couple million. Sushi the bean-counter is starting to emerge from the shadows.

  • darren15D darren15

    We lost the best players that got us to 3-13 and kept the rest

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #51

    @darren15 said:

    We lost the best players that got us to 3-13 and kept the rest

    If that's the best we have, that's sad.

    Maybe we need a better best? Or maybe we're overvaluing guys just because we're so desperate for success that we'll cling on to anything that only halfway stinks like shit.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • Opal312O Opal312 wrote on
    #52

    Everything I've read says the Browns didn't negotiate! It's reminiscent of TJ Ward, Sheard, Skrine, letting players walk after being developed. What is their long term plan? I realize they have an uphill battle and Farmer dug us a big hole with his lousy drafts but how do Browns replace all these guys?

    Do any of you guys have a wide receiver in mind? Pass rusher?

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
  • W wargograw

    @hoorta said:

    The Ghoolie theory "offensive line are dime a dozen" is apparently going to be put to the test.....

    Yeah, the supply is not quite that high, but I think OL replaceability is higher than people think.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #53

    @wargograw said:

    Yeah, the supply is not quite that high, but I think OL replaceability is higher than people think.

    It's all about consistency on the OL. OL aren't dime a dozen, but you don't need five first round guys across the board. You need five guys that can play together. That's all there is to it.

    I'd venture to bet (and this is where Tour would probably come in) that 75% of negative plays are due to missed assignments or bad reads rather than straight BOB losses.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @wargograw said:

    Yeah, the supply is not quite that high, but I think OL replaceability is higher than people think.

    It's all about consistency on the OL. OL aren't dime a dozen, but you don't need five first round guys across the board. You need five guys that can play together. That's all there is to it.

    I'd venture to bet (and this is where Tour would probably come in) that 75% of negative plays are due to missed assignments or bad reads rather than straight BOB losses.

    W Westside Steve wrote on
    #54

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    It's all about consistency on the OL. OL aren't dime a dozen, but you don't need five first round guys across the board. You need five guys that can play together. That's all there is to it.

    I'd venture to bet (and this is where Tour would probably come in) that 75% of negative plays are due to missed assignments or bad reads rather than straight BOB losses.

    Dude you are right on the money, an offensive line doesn't need a bunch of superstars but they need a team that works together and that doesn't happen overnight.

    But usually that also requires a good Center.

    WSS

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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @wargograw said:

    Yeah, the supply is not quite that high, but I think OL replaceability is higher than people think.

    It's all about consistency on the OL. OL aren't dime a dozen, but you don't need five first round guys across the board. You need five guys that can play together. That's all there is to it.

    I'd venture to bet (and this is where Tour would probably come in) that 75% of negative plays are due to missed assignments or bad reads rather than straight BOB losses.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #55

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I'd venture to bet (and this is where Tour would probably come in) that 75% of negative plays are due to missed assignments or bad reads rather than straight BOB losses.

    For 2015 I'd agree with that percentage in PassPro, but much lower number for us running last season. Someone almost always seemed to fail 1-on-1. Maybe 25% of the time it was a failed passoff in a ZBS flow.

    Of the 75% fail rate running probably 40% was attributable to the OL, 20% TE(s) and 15% FB... which considering how little we used a FB is quite high.

    Have I mentioned we need a FB recently?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • W wargograw wrote on
    #56

    Time to get rid of Joe.

  • W wargograw

    Time to get rid of Joe.

    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on
    #57

    @wargograw said:

    Time to get rid of Joe.

    Expect much raging but I see it coming.

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on
    #58

    Gilbert next, or are we going to see if he fits in better with Horton?

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    Gilbert next, or are we going to see if he fits in better with Horton?

    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on
    #59

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Gilbert next, or are we going to see if he fits in better with Horton?

    There isn't any value so I think they will see how he does.

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