Folks, we have a plan

hoorta

@logicisforsquares said:
They did a bang up job. Maybe with another player of their caliber the Browns could have pushed it to 4 wins.

Not the point- on a 1-53 importance\value\performance scale, Oh, I'll put Joe Thomas at #1. Most of the guys who walked would be in our top 10. Like if Bademosi or Carder left, do you think I'd be pissed? If you want my 0.02 on the matter- the FO has learned nothing from the last misadventure when they let guys like Ward, Sheard, and Skrine walk.

@osiris said:

I disagree, their is profit to be made, but the currency isn't money. I believe it's important to send the message that nothing is more important than improving the team's culture and standing behind the no-nonsense we-won't-tolerate-crap stance they espoused in press releases and in media interviews. Bowe I can understand keeping for now, but Manziel, no way.

Yup, like if we can get a conditional seventh, and someone takes Manziel's salary off our hands, he's worth keeping around a few extra days? MK gossip is saying a few teams have minor interest. We have tons of cap room- and IMHO, making a statement about no more BS is more important that a couple million. Sushi the bean-counter is starting to emerge from the shadows.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@darren15 said:
We lost the best players that got us to 3-13 and kept the rest

If that's the best we have, that's sad.

Maybe we need a better best? Or maybe we're overvaluing guys just because we're so desperate for success that we'll cling on to anything that only halfway stinks like shit.

Opal312

Everything I've read says the Browns didn't negotiate! It's reminiscent of TJ Ward, Sheard, Skrine, letting players walk after being developed. What is their long term plan? I realize they have an uphill battle and Farmer dug us a big hole with his lousy drafts but how do Browns replace all these guys?

Do any of you guys have a wide receiver in mind? Pass rusher?

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@wargograw said:
Yeah, the supply is not quite that high, but I think OL replaceability is higher than people think.

It's all about consistency on the OL. OL aren't dime a dozen, but you don't need five first round guys across the board. You need five guys that can play together. That's all there is to it.

I'd venture to bet (and this is where Tour would probably come in) that 75% of negative plays are due to missed assignments or bad reads rather than straight BOB losses.

Westside Steve

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

It's all about consistency on the OL. OL aren't dime a dozen, but you don't need five first round guys across the board. You need five guys that can play together. That's all there is to it.

I'd venture to bet (and this is where Tour would probably come in) that 75% of negative plays are due to missed assignments or bad reads rather than straight BOB losses.

Dude you are right on the money, an offensive line doesn't need a bunch of superstars but they need a team that works together and that doesn't happen overnight.

But usually that also requires a good Center.

WSS

Tour2ma

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
I'd venture to bet (and this is where Tour would probably come in) that 75% of negative plays are due to missed assignments or bad reads rather than straight BOB losses.

For 2015 I'd agree with that percentage in PassPro, but much lower number for us running last season. Someone almost always seemed to fail 1-on-1. Maybe 25% of the time it was a failed passoff in a ZBS flow.

Of the 75% fail rate running probably 40% was attributable to the OL, 20% TE(s) and 15% FB... which considering how little we used a FB is quite high.

Have I mentioned we need a FB recently?

wargograw

Time to get rid of Joe.

LogicIsForSquares

@wargograw said:
Time to get rid of Joe.

Expect much raging but I see it coming.

jiggins7919

Gilbert next, or are we going to see if he fits in better with Horton?

LogicIsForSquares

@jiggins7919 said:
Gilbert next, or are we going to see if he fits in better with Horton?

There isn't any value so I think they will see how he does.