OK It's Official....
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And we have tried 1-2 year turnarounds how many times now, nickers? Plenty. NONE OF THEM WORKED.
First, the Raiders are not a Super Bowl team this year. Book it. I am highly confident they don't even make the AFC championship. Their build is well underway, but I still think it needs one more year.
Secondly, they went 4-12 in 2012 and 2013. In Derek Carr and Khalil Mack (the major pieces of their build on each side of the ball)'s first season, they went 3-13. Last year, they went 7-9. So it's taken three years to build a contender.
AT LEAST GIVE THIS FRONT OFFICE AND COACHING STAFF THAT LONG, especially if that's the example you're going to bring up.
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And we have tried 1-2 year turnarounds how many times now, nickers? Plenty. NONE OF THEM WORKED.
First, the Raiders are not a Super Bowl team this year. Book it. I am highly confident they don't even make the AFC championship. Their build is well underway, but I still think it needs one more year.
Secondly, they went 4-12 in 2012 and 2013. In Derek Carr and Khalil Mack (the major pieces of their build on each side of the ball)'s first season, they went 3-13. Last year, they went 7-9. So it's taken three years to build a contender.
AT LEAST GIVE THIS FRONT OFFICE AND COACHING STAFF THAT LONG, especially if that's the example you're going to bring up.
And we have tried 1-2 year turnarounds how many times now, nickers? Plenty. NONE OF THEM WORKED.
First, the Raiders are not a Super Bowl team this year. Book it. I am highly confident they don't even make the AFC championship. Their build is well underway, but I still think it needs one more year.
Secondly, they went 4-12 in 2012 and 2013. In Derek Carr and Khalil Mack (the major pieces of their build on each side of the ball)'s first season, they went 3-13. Last year, they went 7-9. So it's taken three years to build a contender.
AT LEAST GIVE THIS FRONT OFFICE AND COACHING STAFF THAT LONG, especially if that's the example you're going to bring up.
They don't deserve that long.. they suck.. \I never said they were super bowl bound.. but they're at least entetaining.. they have a "Quarterback".. Teams go as thier QB goes!
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So which remaining opponent gives the best shot at avoiding 0-16?
Bills? Chargers?
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So which remaining opponent gives the best shot at avoiding 0-16?
Bills? Chargers?
So which remaining opponent gives the best shot at avoiding 0-16?
Bills? Chargers?
It's gonna be hard to get a win when you have to factor in the stupidness of your own coach also.
This loss is more than just depressing. It has underscored, to me anyway, that we do in fact have the wrong coach. That is the worst part of this loss.
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Hue must go along with the entire management. Hell, sell the team. I
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Ever watch someone in a casino on a losing run? The longer it goes the worse it gets until all the chips go into the pot in desperation.
Pretty much defines Hue Jackson. Very sad for Cleveland because Jimmah is quickly becoming a non-believer watching the meltdown in living color.
EDIT: Collinsworth was trying to give the benefit of the doubt last night, but it was obvious he felt he coaching moves were highly questionable.
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So which remaining opponent gives the best shot at avoiding 0-16?
Bills? Chargers?
So which remaining opponent gives the best shot at avoiding 0-16?
Bills? Chargers?
Not sure if they can win. The secondary and O line aren't pro caliber.
Only way they win is to get a bunch of turnovers.
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And we have tried 1-2 year turnarounds how many times now, nickers? Plenty. NONE OF THEM WORKED.
First, the Raiders are not a Super Bowl team this year. Book it. I am highly confident they don't even make the AFC championship. Their build is well underway, but I still think it needs one more year.
Secondly, they went 4-12 in 2012 and 2013. In Derek Carr and Khalil Mack (the major pieces of their build on each side of the ball)'s first season, they went 3-13. Last year, they went 7-9. So it's taken three years to build a contender.
AT LEAST GIVE THIS FRONT OFFICE AND COACHING STAFF THAT LONG, especially if that's the example you're going to bring up.
They don't deserve that long.. they suck.. \I never said they were super bowl bound.. but they're at least entetaining.. they have a "Quarterback".. Teams go as thier QB goes!
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I hate to say this but the only glimmer of respect the leauge has for us is the Jackson Hiring. Players like Pryor will shut down and try to work their way out of Cleveland if we fire Hue. I know what i'm saying, that the black players main consideration for playing for the Browns is a black head coach. In a perfect world that wouldn't happen but Cleveland has nothing else. Nobody wants to play nor coach the Browns. Soemthing else you guys shoudl probalby get used to is the only reason hue came here anyway was because there was some iron clad guarantees he woudlnt' be tossed after 1 year and probably not for 2-3 eithers. Nobody as highly touted as Hue Jackson was is coming to the Browns. We fire Hue and it tells the league we were just funnin last year it's right back to old Brownies....just start pulling coaches off the st at that point.
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Yep. Even aside from the race thing, commentators around the country say "this team's record isn't Hue's fault. There's no talent." I guarantee that's how coaches around the country see it too. You think they're gonna jump on this job if we fire Hue? Don't be Retarded.
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Just me waiting for the team to show progress
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We knew this would be a long season with the house cleaning. They aren't disappointing but there is no doubt in my mind it is a lack of talent and not coaching. We are not going to bring in any new HC and turn this team around until we get more talent.
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with the secondary being relatively worthless...
what do those that are po'd expect?
They were winning a low scoring game in the first half again.
Then opposing offenses say "dammit, let's just start throwing the ball and run the score up".
Might draft 3 db's in the upcoming draft.
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I hate to say this but the only glimmer of respect the leauge has for us is the Jackson Hiring. Players like Pryor will shut down and try to work their way out of Cleveland if we fire Hue. I know what i'm saying, that the black players main consideration for playing for the Browns is a black head coach. In a perfect world that wouldn't happen but Cleveland has nothing else. Nobody wants to play nor coach the Browns. Soemthing else you guys shoudl probalby get used to is the only reason hue came here anyway was because there was some iron clad guarantees he woudlnt' be tossed after 1 year and probably not for 2-3 eithers. Nobody as highly touted as Hue Jackson was is coming to the Browns. We fire Hue and it tells the league we were just funnin last year it's right back to old Brownies....just start pulling coaches off the st at that point.
I hate to say this but the only glimmer of respect the leauge has for us is the Jackson Hiring. Players like Pryor will shut down and try to work their way out of Cleveland if we fire Hue. I know what i'm saying, that the black players main consideration for playing for the Browns is a black head coach. In a perfect world that wouldn't happen but Cleveland has nothing else. Nobody wants to play nor coach the Browns. Soemthing else you guys shoudl probalby get used to is the only reason hue came here anyway was because there was some iron clad guarantees he woudlnt' be tossed after 1 year and probably not for 2-3 eithers. Nobody as highly touted as Hue Jackson was is coming to the Browns. We fire Hue and it tells the league we were just funnin last year it's right back to old Brownies....just start pulling coaches off the st at that point.
Agree on that.
This is hard to watch, but I feel it's going to be better next season. No sense bailing on our team folks.
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We knew this would be a long season with the house cleaning. They aren't disappointing but there is no doubt in my mind it is a lack of talent and not coaching. We are not going to bring in any new HC and turn this team around until we get more talent.
We knew this would be a long season with the house cleaning. They aren't disappointing but there is no doubt in my mind it is a lack of talent and not coaching. We are not going to bring in any new HC and turn this team around until we get more talent.
I think the defense has a serious coaching issue. Faulty coverage, poor tackling goes a lot to coaching. Next year we need a new DC....no doubt.
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So which remaining opponent gives the best shot at avoiding 0-16?
Bills? Chargers?
So which remaining opponent gives the best shot at avoiding 0-16?
Bills? Chargers?
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Maybe they are working on the mannequin challenge instead of football.
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We knew this would be a long season with the house cleaning. They aren't disappointing but there is no doubt in my mind it is a lack of talent and not coaching. We are not going to bring in any new HC and turn this team around until we get more talent.
I think the defense has a serious coaching issue. Faulty coverage, poor tackling goes a lot to coaching. Next year we need a new DC....no doubt.
I think the defense has a serious coaching issue. Faulty coverage, poor tackling goes a lot to coaching. Next year we need a new DC....no doubt.
It also goes to players. The coaches can't go out and do the tackling. Was it really O'Neils fault last year or he didn't have enough talent on defense? Of course we were paying for a defense that didn't perform with having the highest paid defense in the NFL at the time.
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I think the defense has a serious coaching issue. Faulty coverage, poor tackling goes a lot to coaching. Next year we need a new DC....no doubt.
It also goes to players. The coaches can't go out and do the tackling. Was it really O'Neils fault last year or he didn't have enough talent on defense? Of course we were paying for a defense that didn't perform with having the highest paid defense in the NFL at the time.
It also goes to players. The coaches can't go out and do the tackling. Was it really O'Neils fault last year or he didn't have enough talent on defense? Of course we were paying for a defense that didn't perform with having the highest paid defense in the NFL at the time.
I think good coaching makes mediocre talent better. When you have bad coaching and questionable talent you have the Cleveland Browns defense. I guarandamntee you that if Dick LeBeau or Bill Belichick were our DC things would not look like this.
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I think the defense has a serious coaching issue. Faulty coverage, poor tackling goes a lot to coaching. Next year we need a new DC....no doubt.
It also goes to players. The coaches can't go out and do the tackling. Was it really O'Neils fault last year or he didn't have enough talent on defense? Of course we were paying for a defense that didn't perform with having the highest paid defense in the NFL at the time.
It also goes to players. The coaches can't go out and do the tackling. Was it really O'Neils fault last year or he didn't have enough talent on defense? Of course we were paying for a defense that didn't perform with having the highest paid defense in the NFL at the time.
Jim O'neil is on the 49ers i believe and they may be the only team in the nfl with a defense worse than ours or equal.
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