Harbaugh loses all Credibility
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It is the view from the overhead camera....the same view they showed on replay within seconds of when the play was run.
http://www.businessinsider.com/ohio-state-beat-michigan-double-overtime-2016-11
This is the view from the broadcast camera
If you shift your POV left, to be directly over the 15 yard line, how do the players move further to the left relative to the 15 yard line?
Not to mention the angle of the hash marks to off of the 15 yard line don't make sense, lol.
FYI, I'm not the only one calling this a shopped photo.
I'm not saying one way or another whether this was a 1st down. Regardless, using a photoshopped photo as evidence doesn't help your case.
This is the view from the broadcast camera
If you shift your POV left, to be directly over the 15 yard line, how do the players move further to the left relative to the 15 yard line?
Not to mention the angle of the hash marks to off of the 15 yard line don't make sense, lol.
FYI, I'm not the only one calling this a shopped photo.
I'm not saying one way or another whether this was a 1st down. Regardless, using a photoshopped photo as evidence doesn't help your case.
It is clearly a first down....you just want to be a dumb dick about it....like Harbaugh.
There is no angle that can be produced that would ever show it ever being anything but a first down.
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There MAY have been ONE.....the other was just your piss colored slanted view of things.
MAYBE one, huh?
First question, is this a penalty?
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ok, how about this?
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Guess which one was called?
How about this?
MAYBE one, huh?
First question, is this a penalty?
In this one...it should have clearly been the Michigan player that would have been called...HE grabbed the OSU player around the shoulder.
ok, how about this?
Yep, again UM player is the one initiating the contact and doing the grabbing.
Guess which one was called?
Neither should have been called on OSU.. The first one should have been called on Michigan.
How about this?
That one, probably.
So...that is one. Wouldn't have mattered, UM would have just turned it over the next play anyway.
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This is the view from the broadcast camera
If you shift your POV left, to be directly over the 15 yard line, how do the players move further to the left relative to the 15 yard line?
Not to mention the angle of the hash marks to off of the 15 yard line don't make sense, lol.
FYI, I'm not the only one calling this a shopped photo.
I'm not saying one way or another whether this was a 1st down. Regardless, using a photoshopped photo as evidence doesn't help your case.
It is clearly a first down....you just want to be a dumb dick about it....like Harbaugh.
There is no angle that can be produced that would ever show it ever being anything but a first down.
It is clearly a first down....you just want to be a dumb dick about it....like Harbaugh.
There is no angle that can be produced that would ever show it ever being anything but a first down.
Again, I'm not making any comment on whether or not that was a first. I'm just telling you you're using a photoshopped photo. If you wan to make your case, that's not the best way to do.
Also, there are angles that do exist though show it possibly not looking like a first. Like this: (just sayin)
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
MAYBE one, huh?
First question, is this a penalty?
In this one...it should have clearly been the Michigan player that would have been called...HE grabbed the OSU player around the shoulder.
ok, how about this?
Yep, again UM player is the one initiating the contact and doing the grabbing.
Guess which one was called?
Neither should have been called on OSU.. The first one should have been called on Michigan.
How about this?
That one, probably.
So...that is one. Wouldn't have mattered, UM would have just turned it over the next play anyway.
That one, probably.
So...that is one. Wouldn't have mattered, UM would have just turned it over the next play anyway.
Lol, wait, are you saying the 2nd GIF i posted SHOULDN'T have been a foul on OSU?
Hahaha, come on man. Are you THAT biased?
That penalty also mattered a great deal, as it would have kept our last 4th quarter drive alive. And any time OSU lost in their final drive to tie it up would have been huge.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
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The background of the refs.
- 1 was previously dismissed by the Big Ten
- 1 is an Ohio native inducted into the Ohio High School reffing HOF with the ceremony in Columbus
and the worst
- 1 that is an open OSU fan, that was previously banned from reffing the 2006 Michigan vs OSU game because of any perceived bias.
How in the hell does that guy ref the game if he wasn't allowed to in 2006?
Look, Michigan could have done a number of things slightly better to win. The fumble on the 1. The pick 6. I get that. But when you're also working against poor, potentially biased refs in a very tight game, it is a tough pill to swallow.
The background of the refs.
- 1 was previously dismissed by the Big Ten
- 1 is an Ohio native inducted into the Ohio High School reffing HOF with the ceremony in Columbus
and the worst
- 1 that is an open OSU fan, that was previously banned from reffing the 2006 Michigan vs OSU game because of any perceived bias.
How in the hell does that guy ref the game if he wasn't allowed to in 2006?
Look, Michigan could have done a number of things slightly better to win. The fumble on the 1. The pick 6. I get that. But when you're also working against poor, potentially biased refs in a very tight game, it is a tough pill to swallow.
They weren't good enough.
If you say they "ran out of gas", then that means that they weren't anywhere in as good condition as OSU. They had the TOP advantage. It should have been the other way around.
I suspect that if we dissected every play of the game that there would have been 5-6 PIs and other calls that could have been called on Michigan that weren't.
There were only 6 real penalties called (not counting Harbaugh's US penalty)
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- You can "suspect" whatever you want, but let's see some kind of proof to back it up
- Players take subs from backups. Those backups play. The better the backups, the better they play. The better depth, the better the backups. The coach that has been in his spot for 5 years is probably going to have developed better depth than the coach that has been there two (that's without comparing the talent level they started with). That statement has nothing to do with the Michigan players not being as conditioned as the OSU players. If they're asked to play more than the OSU players, it would make sense they're more tired...
- I have still yet to hear, from anyone, the justification for allowing the open OSU fan ref to ref. It's ridiculous.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
The background of the refs.
- 1 was previously dismissed by the Big Ten
- 1 is an Ohio native inducted into the Ohio High School reffing HOF with the ceremony in Columbus
and the worst
- 1 that is an open OSU fan, that was previously banned from reffing the 2006 Michigan vs OSU game because of any perceived bias.
How in the hell does that guy ref the game if he wasn't allowed to in 2006?
Look, Michigan could have done a number of things slightly better to win. The fumble on the 1. The pick 6. I get that. But when you're also working against poor, potentially biased refs in a very tight game, it is a tough pill to swallow.
The background of the refs.
- 1 was previously dismissed by the Big Ten
- 1 is an Ohio native inducted into the Ohio High School reffing HOF with the ceremony in Columbus
and the worst
- 1 that is an open OSU fan, that was previously banned from reffing the 2006 Michigan vs OSU game because of any perceived bias.
How in the hell does that guy ref the game if he wasn't allowed to in 2006?
Look, Michigan could have done a number of things slightly better to win. The fumble on the 1. The pick 6. I get that. But when you're also working against poor, potentially biased refs in a very tight game, it is a tough pill to swallow.
You are grasping at straws woody. You ought to work for Hillary.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
- You can "suspect" whatever you want, but let's see some kind of proof to back it up
- Players take subs from backups. Those backups play. The better the backups, the better they play. The better depth, the better the backups. The coach that has been in his spot for 5 years is probably going to have developed better depth than the coach that has been there two (that's without comparing the talent level they started with). That statement has nothing to do with the Michigan players not being as conditioned as the OSU players. If they're asked to play more than the OSU players, it would make sense they're more tired...
- I have still yet to hear, from anyone, the justification for allowing the open OSU fan ref to ref. It's ridiculous.
- You can "suspect" whatever you want, but let's see some kind of proof to back it up
I just looked at the items you posted. Only one of those plays should have been possibly called a penalty. I suspect that I can tell what is front of my face.
- Players take subs from backups. Those backups play. The better the backups, the better they play. The better depth, the better the backups. The coach that has been in his spot for 5 years is probably going to have developed better depth than the coach that has been there two (that's without comparing the talent level they started with). That statement has nothing to do with the Michigan players not being as conditioned as the OSU players. If they're asked to play more than the OSU players, it would make sense they're more tired...
I don't buy this shit. You are making excuse after excuse? "We're tired. The refs was a fan of the other team. The sun was in our eyes. Our dogs ate our playbooks. We ate spicy Mexican food.
You lost because your QB and your defense weren't good enough. Speight was a TO machine...and the Buckeyes hammered you on the ground.
- I have still yet to hear, from anyone, the justification for allowing the open OSU fan ref to ref. It's ridiculous.
Here is your explanation: because he wasn't.
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The background of the refs.
- 1 was previously dismissed by the Big Ten
- 1 is an Ohio native inducted into the Ohio High School reffing HOF with the ceremony in Columbus
and the worst
- 1 that is an open OSU fan, that was previously banned from reffing the 2006 Michigan vs OSU game because of any perceived bias.
How in the hell does that guy ref the game if he wasn't allowed to in 2006?
Look, Michigan could have done a number of things slightly better to win. The fumble on the 1. The pick 6. I get that. But when you're also working against poor, potentially biased refs in a very tight game, it is a tough pill to swallow.
You are grasping at straws woody. You ought to work for Hillary.
You are grasping at straws woody. You ought to work for Hillary.
Well....Woody is saying that like Hillary...who had like 2.5 million more actual votes.......that Michigan absolutely controlled this game.
But...they didn't.
OSU...more first downs.
OSU...more than double the number of rushing yards.
OSU...triple the number of turnovers.
Only stat Mich led in was passing yards.
And they led in kickoff return yardage.
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So far I've seen you say well Michigan doesn't have the talent level of osu's underclassmen, biased refs, photoshops, what next? OSU staged a terrorist attack to take the heat off JT? Get the fuck outta here with that weak shit.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Like hillary and the popular vote more yards don't mean shit if you lose.
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There were also two blatant PIs that aren't called on OSU, when Michiganbwas called for the exact same thing. Just saying....
There were also two blatant PIs that aren't called on OSU, when Michiganbwas called for the exact same thing. Just saying....
stfu,Meyer gave you guys a t.d on that fuck punt so quit your bitching
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So far I've seen you say well Michigan doesn't have the talent level of osu's underclassmen, biased refs, photoshops, what next? OSU staged a terrorist attack to take the heat off JT? Get the fuck outta here with that weak shit.
So far I've seen you say well Michigan doesn't have the talent level of osu's underclassmen, biased refs, photoshops, what next? OSU staged a terrorist attack to take the heat off JT? Get the fuck outta here with that weak shit.
Holy shit you guys just can't distinguish between one post and another, huh?
- They don't have the same talent level top to bottom. That isn't debatable. It's just a fact and it played a factor. That makes OSU a better team. It isn't some hidden reason why Michigan should have won.
- There is one ref that was kept from reffing this game in 2006 because of pro-OSU bias. Why was he allowed to ref this game?
- The photoshop was in reference to the OP of this thread. It has nothing to do with the outcome of this game.
Is this all clear to you now?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
- You can "suspect" whatever you want, but let's see some kind of proof to back it up
I just looked at the items you posted. Only one of those plays should have been possibly called a penalty. I suspect that I can tell what is front of my face.
- Players take subs from backups. Those backups play. The better the backups, the better they play. The better depth, the better the backups. The coach that has been in his spot for 5 years is probably going to have developed better depth than the coach that has been there two (that's without comparing the talent level they started with). That statement has nothing to do with the Michigan players not being as conditioned as the OSU players. If they're asked to play more than the OSU players, it would make sense they're more tired...
I don't buy this shit. You are making excuse after excuse? "We're tired. The refs was a fan of the other team. The sun was in our eyes. Our dogs ate our playbooks. We ate spicy Mexican food.
You lost because your QB and your defense weren't good enough. Speight was a TO machine...and the Buckeyes hammered you on the ground.
- I have still yet to hear, from anyone, the justification for allowing the open OSU fan ref to ref. It's ridiculous.
Here is your explanation: because he wasn't.
- I have still yet to hear, from anyone, the justification for allowing the open OSU fan ref to ref. It's ridiculous.
Here is your explanation: because he wasn't.
Again, try not to act as an authority on things you don't know anything about.
I don't see how anyone could think it made sense for this guy to ref the game, when he wasn't allowed to previously.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
There were also two blatant PIs that aren't called on OSU, when Michiganbwas called for the exact same thing. Just saying....
stfu,Meyer gave you guys a t.d on that fuck punt so quit your bitching
stfu,Meyer gave you guys a t.d on that fuck punt so quit your bitching
Right, which was a dumb play. Michigan also had dumb/unlucky plays, just like OSU did. In a close game, if those go one way or another, than can be the difference. But this thread was start, by someone else, regarding the officials so that is was we are talking about.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
- I have still yet to hear, from anyone, the justification for allowing the open OSU fan ref to ref. It's ridiculous.
Here is your explanation: because he wasn't.
Again, try not to act as an authority on things you don't know anything about.
I don't see how anyone could think it made sense for this guy to ref the game, when he wasn't allowed to previously.
as the pot says to the kettleAgain, try not to act as an authority on things you don't know anything about.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
So far I've seen you say well Michigan doesn't have the talent level of osu's underclassmen, biased refs, photoshops, what next? OSU staged a terrorist attack to take the heat off JT? Get the fuck outta here with that weak shit.
Holy shit you guys just can't distinguish between one post and another, huh?
- They don't have the same talent level top to bottom. That isn't debatable. It's just a fact and it played a factor. That makes OSU a better team. It isn't some hidden reason why Michigan should have won.
- There is one ref that was kept from reffing this game in 2006 because of pro-OSU bias. Why was he allowed to ref this game?
- The photoshop was in reference to the OP of this thread. It has nothing to do with the outcome of this game.
Is this all clear to you now?
Holy shit you guys just can't distinguish between one post and another, huh?
- They don't have the same talent level top to bottom. That isn't debatable. It's just a fact and it played a factor. That makes OSU a better team. It isn't some hidden reason why Michigan should have won.
- There is one ref that was kept from reffing this game in 2006 because of pro-OSU bias. Why was he allowed to ref this game?
- The photoshop was in reference to the OP of this thread. It has nothing to do with the outcome of this game.
Is this all clear to you now?
I can easily distinguish when excuses are being made and straws are being grasped at.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
as the pot says to the kettleAgain, try not to act as an authority on things you don't know anything about.
as the pot says to the kettle
Please point to anything in this thread that I've said where I demonstrably do not know what I am talking about.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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