Anyone Else Think Collins Doesn't Wanna Be Here
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Nope. I didn't think he wanted to be here from the get-go. I have no proof of this...but wait...yes I do. We don't ever win and we suck. So yes....I do have proof. We need to re-sign Pryor so we can franchise Collins. He's a freaking beast and we desperately need him.
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If given the chance, he will sign with the best team and money combo and be outa here at Mach 3
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Im pretty sure we traded for him with the intent of franchising him. Don't see any scenario he doesn't play here in '17. My question is whether wed franchise him two years in a row, and can we leverage the threat of that into a longer contract.
Im pretty sure we traded for him with the intent of franchising him. Don't see any scenario he doesn't play here in '17. My question is whether wed franchise him two years in a row, and can we leverage the threat of that into a longer contract.
It's hard not to see a plan being in place for him to be playing in Cleveland next year. Probably it starts with a franchise tag, which he doesn't sign - if he likes the draft and where the team is headed he negotiates a deal, otherwise he signs. Repeat in 2018 as necessary.
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Another thing to realize is this organization has money out the ass to pay for Collins too. I think he's well worth it to actually keep a football player on this team, and I think the Browns feel that way too by bringing him in mid-season on an expiring contract.
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They certainly threw enough of it at Taylor that he managed to intercept some.
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Tour-that goes back to my point that if they want to make sure Collins stays, then they had better get him signed as FA period starts or make sure he understands they will bring him superior D players in the draft while negotiating from the start of FA period on. It does appear there is some overrun time with the draft, but he can also sign with anyone he wants before the draft begins if I understand FA signing rules correctly. I would hope we sign him before FA opens up. We certainly have the cap space. Aren't we allowed to do that if he is agreeable?
Tour-that goes back to my point that if they want to make sure Collins stays, then they had better get him signed as FA period starts or make sure he understands they will bring him superior D players in the draft while negotiating from the start of FA period on. It does appear there is some overrun time with the draft, but he can also sign with anyone he wants before the draft begins if I understand FA signing rules correctly. I would hope we sign him before FA opens up. We certainly have the cap space. Aren't we allowed to do that if he is agreeable?
First... more I think about it, there is no end to FA... at least not until Week 17 rolls around. UFAs are still being signed now. Even now if a Kicker goes down or misses one too many extra point... someone's phone rings. IIRC this just happened a week or two ago... NYG?
However, even in the absence of a scheduled UFA deadline, there certainly are tacit ones. The initial flurry of the first two weeks is repeated annually. Team visits... wooing... rumors... negotiating... ultimately feeds headlines and then contracts in that period. Usually for the most sought after candidates and Collins looks to be in that class of UFA.
Sure, Ag... sales job on our future will be key, but doubt we are willing to share our draft plans in detail with a player. Maybe a token of trust along the lines of "At #1 we are taking X, and we are emphasizing D going in, but our board will be our board." But compared to a team that is already objectively on an upward trajectory? That's a tough sales job. Compared to a contender looking to add... or replace... a "final piece"? Even tougher... So it comes down to the importance an UFA places on rings.
As for the "before FA" period... We can negotiate "an extension" with any player under contract anytime. Just saw this with Howard. But a coveted player who wants "to test the market" is not going to extend. As said above, only sure way is to tag that player in the 2-week window that precedes the beginning of FA by just over a week.
And yes, it appears there is that two-day window for "exclusive negotiations" with soon-to-be UFAs. But that's a nod and wink rule from the league and everyone knows it. If you have not gotten a deal done before it hits, how does it this brief, deadline extension help?
Finally, off course, there's no better way for a franchise to endear itself to a UFA than to tag him. While that is a form of leverage, it is not the foundation for a relationship... particularly not one that barely exists to begin with. It comes very early in the schedule, so we will know before everything else heats up.
If he hasn't signed with the browns by the 9th March, he can sign with anyone else. That's it. No 'wait and see what we do in the draft' period, that'd just be Collins saying "well I think this browns team is really on to something and it's superbowl in two years so I'm staying" - not very realistic.
Pretty much it...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Question was/is... think he's coming back? Think he wants to come back?
Promise to fill this draft with D and he'll be back.
Promise to fill this draft with D and he'll be back.
Draft Myles Garrett and now we have something!
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Is it me or does anyone else see Collins lollygagging on plays more often than not.
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Collins will be released then go on to look like a world beater on another team ...its the Browns way
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Collins will be released then go on to look like a world beater on another team ...its the Browns way
Collins will be released then go on to look like a world beater on another team ...its the Browns way
Seems more like he should be playing hard for the big bucks contract. Instead, he’s getting a rep as a slacker.
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Seems more like he should be playing hard for the big bucks contract. Instead, he’s getting a rep as a slacker.
Thing is he already got that big contract. Dont forget the dude is playing on a nearly $30 million guaranteed deal right now.
It's a shame he doesn't have more passion for the game or whatever the heck it is. He makes elite plays sometimes but other times seems to be bothered to be out there.
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That's kind of always my concern with any player we get from another team. Either he or the Patriots didn't think that relationship was working out.
WSS
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Is it me or does anyone else see Collins lollygagging on plays more often than not.
Is it me or does anyone else see Collins lollygagging on plays more often than not.
Not just you. Collins is acting like he's not happy to actually play football, he has his money. that "coverage" of Kelce was way too obvious. I think Williams will notice it. On another play, he was pulling up, letting another player chase a guy down.
And, for all his ability - I don't think he gets it. His occasional lack of effect and free lancing led to him being
traded to the Browns in the first place.
Seriously. Collins even admits he doesn't like football - never watches. Says he'd rather be playing video games.
Maybe we should have seen it coming. Multiple media members who cover the Patriots have pointed out that Collins' play has either slipped or has been an issue for Bill Belichick lately, and an offseason interview with Collins reveals one habit that Belichick might not love.
While talking with the Improper Bostonian, Collins was asked what kind of football he likes to watch and his answer was basically "none."
The inclusion of Chandler Jones, who was traded to the Cardinals this offseason, in the quote is revealing as well.
Which would you rather watch: college football or pro?
Neither. I didn't grow up watching football, and I still don't. Me and Chandler Jones have talked about this since I first got up here. I never watched football. I never thought I'd be here, and I'd rather play video games. I don't really want to watch it.
There almost certainly was some kind of disconnect between the front office/coaching staff and Collins in the case of this trade.
Multiple media members pointed out that there were concerns about Collins' play. Tom Curran of CSN New England noticed a dropoff since last season's AFC Championship Game, when Collins was beat by Owen Daniels on multiple plays.
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and from that same second link above:
Hue saw physical ability - Dorsey sees guys who ARE FOOTBALL PLAYERS.
Collins is just a very physically talented waste of time mentally.
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The freelancing thing might have some legitimate legs too. Here was Browns coach Hue Jackson's interesting answer when asked about Collins behavior on the field.
"He can freelance for me then (laughter). The way he freelances is OK with me. What happened there is not what is important for us here. We see a player that is very talented and has a tremendous skill set that fits in with what we do so he is a Cleveland Brown now."
So let's take a look at the factors here ...- Jamie Collins wants a bunch of money in the offseason
- Jamie Collins keeps going off script
- Jamie Collins isn't a big fan of watching football
- Elandon Roberts is capable of doing that job at a much cheaper cost
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Is it me or does anyone else see Collins lollygagging on plays more often than not.
Is it me or does anyone else see Collins lollygagging on plays more often than not.
He does definitely seem to do just that
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Seems more like he should be playing hard for the big bucks contract. Instead, he’s getting a rep as a slacker.
Thing is he already got that big contract. Dont forget the dude is playing on a nearly $30 million guaranteed deal right now.
It's a shame he doesn't have more passion for the game or whatever the heck it is. He makes elite plays sometimes but other times seems to be bothered to be out there.
Thing is he already got that big contract. Dont forget the dude is playing on a nearly $30 million guaranteed deal right now.
It's a shame he doesn't have more passion for the game or whatever the heck it is. He makes elite plays sometimes but other times seems to be bothered to be out there.
The problem is that it seem to be somewhat infectious to other players on this defense.
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He isn’t the first player to get paid then lay down and won’t be the last
For sure, I feel like this is something that isn't mentioned enough. This is the reason guys like Bell (and many others) are so demanding of the guaranteed money in a contract. Collins can walk away after this season and have made $30 million dollars. In the NFL especially where the physical toll is unbelievable, it's not surprising that some dudes just coast after striking gold. It sucks and I'm obviously not suggesting I'm for it, but the logical person in me can see why it happens in this sport. The likelihood of a position guy outside QB getting more than any "big" deal is little to none. Why not work your butt off, get the huge money, and then coast? Again, not for that line of thinking but I'm also not getting my skull bonked around for a career. Perhaps shorter, higher money deals may help.
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